Why Trump isn't following in Nixon's footsteps

Well before we even get to the changed landscape between now and the 70’s — there’s the issue of THE TAPES. Nixon taped himself doing all this shit. Without that unique dynamic, Nixon would have stonewalled and survived.

But as to the video — 70 percent of Americans trusted the MSM back in the 70s. Was that a ‘good‘ thing? Good ole days of trusting the corporate media?

I agree with the commentator that things are a dumpster-fire now. And i agree that things have changed with the rise of the rightwing-lie-machine.

But things were not good in the olden days either. It was a different kind of dumpster-fire back in the 50’s, 60s, and 70s, etc. Back then i was listening to TV-MSM and i was being mislead every night. (Now, with the internet I have at least a small chance of finding my way toward the light.)

I think the vid makes some good points about the change, but where I’d disagree is that he kinda tries to make the case that the MSM was more truthful back in the 70’s — because there was hardly any rightwing media. But i think the MSM has always been in the pocket of the Corps, as Chomsky talked about in the 80’s in Manufacturing Consent. Its just that now we have the Right-MSM lying to us from the right, and the Dem-MSM lying to us from the ‘left’. What do we do with that?

Its also been my experience that Tucker Carlson (wacko that he is) is sometimes way more insightful on some issues than the Dem-MSM. On Syria for example. What to do with ‘that’ ?

To me the voters are staggering toward catastrophe because they DO trust EITHER Fox OR NPR/MSNBC. They ought look at both behemoths as Factories-Of-Lies. But they trust one or the other. They ‘say’ they dont trust the MSM but they do — they trust one of the lie-machines. Or the other.

Used to be we had one lie machine. Now we have two. So yes, things have changed.

Just my opin-yun. Call me Mary Sunshine.

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wv wrote:

Well before we even get to the changed landscape between now and the 70’s — there’s the issue of THE TAPES. Nixon taped himself doing all this shit. Without that unique dynamic, Nixon would have stonewalled and survived.

But as to the video — 70 percent of Americans trusted the MSM back in the 70s. Was that a ‘good‘ thing? Good ole days of trusting the corporate media?

I agree with the commentator that things are a dumpster-fire now. And i agree that things have changed with the rise of the rightwing-lie-machine.

But things were not good in the olden days either. It was a different kind of dumpster-fire back in the 50’s, 60s, and 70s, etc. Back then i was listening to TV-MSM and i was being mislead every night. (Now, with the internet I have at least a small chance of finding my way toward the light.)

I think the vid makes some good points about the change, but where I’d disagree is that he kinda tries to make the case that the MSM was more truthful back in the 70’s — because there was hardly any rightwing media. But i think the MSM has always been in the pocket of the Corps, as Chomsky talked about in the 80’s in Manufacturing Consent. Its just that now we have the Right-MSM lying to us from the right, and the Dem-MSM lying to us from the ‘left’. What do we do with that?

Its also been my experience that Tucker Carlson (wacko that he is) is sometimes way more insightful on some issues than the Dem-MSM. On Syria for example. What to do with ‘that’ ?

To me the voters are staggering toward catastrophe because they DO trust EITHER Fox OR NPR/MSNBC. They ought look at both behemoths as Factories-Of-Lies. But they trust one or the other. They ‘say’ they dont trust the MSM but they do — they trust one of the lie-machines. Or the other.

Used to be we had one lie machine. Now we have two. So yes, things have changed.

Just my opin-yun. Call me Mary Sunshine.

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Good point about the tapes.

We agree about so much of the above . . . but I part ways with you on the concept of a Dem-MSM and a right-wing MSM. Though I’m probably misreading you . . .

I don’t see NPR or MSNBC as necessarily pro-Dem or anti-Republican. I see some individual water-carriers for the Dems, like Maddow and Hayes, but if you look at their entire lineup, it leans to the right. They have as many conservative hosts as so-called “liberal” hosts. It’s just that their conservatives can’t stand Trump, but they don’t support the Dems, at all.

NPR is deathly afraid of offending conservatives, so it tends to be as straight down the middle as possible, which will always skew reality. The reality is, from empirical evidence, that the right’s view of the world, on down to its individual issues, is just not in sync with that world, and wrong on solutions. So if media try to be “fair and balanced,” and give as much validity to right-wing thought as left of center, it’s not telling us the truth. If you have an argument between a flat-earther and a normal human, and you set things up as equally valid, you do the nation a huge disservice.

But that’s what the MSM does. And it doesn’t want the Dems to win more often than the GOP. It wants a a horse race, a food fight, a conflict — that sells. It doesn’t want reality, evidence or facts to overcome “fake news” as presented by the right, because that hurts ratings. It wants a horse race between the two parties . . . which wouldn’t occur if Americans actually knew what was going on and voted their own best interests. Roughly 90% of them, at least, would vote Dem over Republican, with just those two choices.

So, again, WV, I probably misunderstand you. But if you’re seeing a symmetrical dynamic of some kind between a “Dem-MSM” and a right-wing MSM . . . . I don’t agree. It’s asymmetrical, to begin with, and, as mentioned, I don’t think the first part exists.

I think ALL of the MSM tilts right, and that the only reason it appears, in places, at times, to prefer the Dems to the GOP is when it’s just impossible for them to maintain the lie regarding “balance” or “both sides are the same” or “they both have equally valid positions.”

When they can no longer play that game, and they finally come out and show the reality that the GOP engages in more destructive shhht than the Dems, it just seems they back the Dems.

It’s not going to happen in my lifetime, but I hope America evolves beyond the two party system, cuz it’s killing us. Both parties are horrifically bad for us, and the planet, with the GOP being substantially worse. Our only chance is to move beyond them to include the far, far better voices, ideas, ideals and policies to the left of the Dems. Well to the left of them, IMO.

. . . . The Dems are the real “conservative party” now, and have been, really, since the early 1970s. In order to actually represent the entire political spectrum, they should be considered America’s “right-wing” party, and they should be opposed by true left-wing alternatives which I’d support . . . again, like the DSA platform and further to the left. My own preference being for staunchly anticapitalist, small is beautiful, localized, egalitarian, cooperative economies, federated, under a fully democratized economy and society . . . . antiwar, mind-your-own business, protector of the environment, etc. etc.

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Billy_T wrote:

S . . . . I don’t agree. It’s asymmetrical, to begin with, and, as mentioned, I don’t think the first part exists.

I think ALL of the MSM tilts right, and that the only reason it appears, in places, at times, to prefer the Dems to the GOP .

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But Billy, the Dems ARE to the right nowadays. Yes its ALLL to the right. But there’s still a Dem-Right and a Rep-Right. Both have moved further and further Right.

I still see MSNBC and NPR/PBS as leaning toward the Dems. (again, thats still leaning RIGHT). The main reason i see it that way is because they just rip Trump. They dont rip Obama’s policies or Clintons or Dem Policies. Its mainly just anti-trump stuff. No context in other words. Without context all trump-hating does is assure that the Dems will be back in office to run the system.

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Thanks, WV. That clarification helps. I definitely agree with you that the Dems are center-right. I’ve been saying that forever. I don’t think they could even remotely call themselves even “liberal” after the 1960s.

But, again, I don’t see being anti-Trump as necessarily being pro-Dem. I watch the MSM. I don’t know why I put myself through that, but I do. I watch the Bill Kristols, Joe Scarboroughs, David Frumms, Rick Wilsons, Nicole Wallaces — all conservative Republicans — bash Trump all day long. I guarantee you, once Trump leaves office, they’ll resume their regularly scheduled programming and go after the Dems, instead of Trump and his supporters.

This is temporary, IOW.

Trump is the guy creating these strange bedfellows. When he goes, it will all return to the old Dem versus Republican foodfight . . . the center-right against the increasingly hard-right.

Billy_T wrote:

…It’s almost as if they all got the same memo..

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Well we are down to, what?, six corpse that control almost all the tv-media now?

…Imagine a land where religion, nationalism, consumerism, self-absorption, racism, sexism, and corporate-capitalism were transcended. Wouldnt that be nice

Not gonna happen though is it. I guess we just have to fight for one policy at a time, and hope for the best no matter what. And somehow find meaning,
in a shit-storm of sureal-created-stupidity. 🙂

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