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    STRANGERS IN THEIR OWN LAND
    Anger and Mourning on the American Right
    By Arlie Russell Hochschild
    351 pp. The New Press. $27.95.

    Arlie Hochschild’s generous but disconcerting look at the Tea Party presents a likable fellow named Lee Sherman, who once worked for a Louisiana chemical plant where his duties included illegally dumping toxic waste into the bayou.

    Sherman did the dirty work; then the company did him dirty. After 15 years on the job, he was doused with chemicals that “burned my clothes clean off me” and left him ill. But rather than pay his disability costs, his bosses accused him of absenteeism and fired him.

    Sherman became a fledgling environmentalist and got his revenge after a giant fish kill threatened the livelihood of nearby fishermen. Company officials feigned innocence, but Sherman barged into a public meeting with an incriminating sign: I’M THE ONE WHO DUMPED IT IN THE BAYOU. Fast-forward a couple of decades and Sherman, still an environmentalist, is campaigning for a Tea Party congressman who wants to gut the Environmental Protection Agency. Sherman still distrusts chemical companies, but he distrusts the federal government more, because it spends his tax money on people who “lazed around days and partied at night.”

    In “Strangers in Their Own Land,” which has been nominated for a National Book Award, Hochschild calls this the “Great Paradox” — opposition to federal help from people and places that need it — and sets off across Louisiana on an energetic, open-minded quest to understand it.

    A distinguished Berkeley sociologist, Hochschild is a woman of the left, but her mission is empathy, not polemics. She takes seriously the Tea Partiers’ complaints that they have become the “strangers” of the title — triply marginalized by flat or falling wages, rapid demographic change, and liberal culture that mocks their faith and patriotism. Her affection for her characters is palpable.

    But the resentments she finds are as toxic as the pollutants in the marsh and metastasizing throughout politics. What unites her subjects is the powerful feeling that others are “cutting in line” and that the federal government is supporting people on the dole — “taking money from the workers and giving it to the idle.” Income is flowing up, but the anger points down.

    The people who feel this are white. The usurpers they picture are blacks and immigrants. Hochschild takes care not to call anyone racist but concludes that “race is an essential part of this story.” When she asks a small-town mayor to describe his politics, his first two issues — or is it one in his mind? — are welfare and race: “I don’t like the government paying unwed mothers to have a lot of kids, and I don’t go for affirmative action.”

    In welfare politics, this is déjà vu all over again. It’s been two decades since Bill Clinton signed a tough welfare law aimed in part to end the politics of blame. “Ending welfare as we know it” would recast the needy as workers, he said, and build support for a new safety net. The rolls of the main federal cash program have fallen by 80 percent from their 1990s highs — in Louisiana, by 95 percent. But reverse class anger is more potent than ever.

    Liberals have long wondered why ­working-class voters support policies that (the liberals think) hurt the working class. Why would victims of pollution side with the polluters?

    Theories abound. Thomas Frank accuses the G.O.P. of luring voters with social issues but delivering tax cuts for the rich. Others point to the political machines built by ultra-wealthy donors like Charles and David Koch. Still others emphasize the influence of conservative media like Fox News.

    Hochschild sees these as partial explanations but wants a fuller understanding of “emotion in politics” — she wants to know how Tea Partiers feel, on the theory that the movement serves their “emotional self-interest” by providing “a giddy release” from years of frustration.

    Six characters dominate the book, including Harold Areno, who lives on a swamp so polluted even the rugged cypress trees are dead. He and his wife have had cancer. Yet Areno supports politicians hostile to environmental regulation because he cares more about banning abortion. “We vote for candidates that put the Bible where it belongs,” he said.

    Mike Schaff lost his neighborhood to the Bayou Corne sinkhole, which started to swallow 37 acres in 2012 after a lightly regulated drilling company punctured an underground salt dome. But he remains a “free market man,” because “Big Government” threatens “community.”

    Many Tea Party adherents warn that more regulation will cost them jobs. (A small-town mayor says the pungent chemical plant “smells like rice and ­gravy.”) But Hochschild detects other passions and assembles what she calls the “deep story” — a “feels as if” story, beyond facts or judgment, that presents her subjects’ worldview.

    It goes like this:

    “You are patiently standing in a long line” for something you call the American dream. You are white, Christian, of modest means, and getting along in years. You are male. There are people of color behind you, and “in principle you wish them well.” But you’ve waited long, worked hard, “and the line is barely moving.”

    Then “Look! You see people cutting in line ahead of you!” Who are these interlopers? “Some are black,” others “immigrants, refugees.” They get affirmative action, sympathy and welfare — “checks for the listless and idle.” The government wants you to feel sorry for them.

    And who runs the government? “The biracial son of a low-income single mother,” and he’s cheering on the line cutters. “The president and his wife are line cutters themselves.” The liberal media mocks you as racist or homophobic. Everywhere you look, “you feel betrayed.”

    Hochschild runs the myth past her Tea Party friends.

    “You’ve read my mind,” Lee Sherman said.

    “I live your analogy,” Mike Schaff said.

    Harold Areno’s niece agrees, and says she has seen people drive their children to Head Start in Lexuses. “If people refuse to work, we should let them starve,” she said.

    Actually, anger this raw may depart from the 1990s, when welfare critics often framed their attacks as efforts to help the poor by fighting dependency. The resentments Hochschild presents are unadorned, and they have mutated into a broader suspicion of almost everything the federal government does. “The government has gone rogue, corrupt, malicious and ugly,” one Tea Partier complains. “It can’t help anybody.”

    Did welfare really “end”? Conservatives say no. Cash aid plummeted, but food stamp usage soared to new highs and the Medicaid rolls expanded. There’s room for debate, but the grievances Hochschild presents feel immune to policy solutions. As long as larger forces are squeezing whites of modest means, it’s going to “feel as if” people are cutting in line. In Lexuses.

    None of Hochschild’s characters appear to have been directly hurt by competition from people of color. Their economic problems lie elsewhere, she argues, in unchecked corporate power and technological transformation. Still there’s no denying that demographic and cultural change have robbed white men of the status they once enjoyed. Hochschild doesn’t buy the racial finger-pointing, but she can see their pain.

    Whatever racial or class resentments she finds, Hochschild makes clear that she likes the people she meets. They aren’t just soldiers in a class war but victims of one, too. She mourns their economic losses, praises their warmth and hospitality, and admires their “grit and resilience.” While her hopes of finding common political ground seem overly optimistic, this is a smart, respectful and compelling book.

    Jason DeParle, a reporter for The New York Times and an Emerson Fellow at New America, is writing a book about immigration.

    A version of this review appears in print on September 25, 2016, on page BR16 of the Sunday Book Review with the headline: Feeling Their Pain. Today’s Paper|Subs

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    #53692
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    The other question is, why do the most privileged people in America — white Christian males — act like they’re the most oppressed? Why are they the angriest, on a day to day basis, when they have the fewest actual reasons to be so permanently outraged?

    #53716
    bnw
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    The other question is, why do the most privileged people in America — white Christian males — act like they’re the most oppressed? Why are they the angriest, on a day to day basis, when they have the fewest actual reasons to be so permanently outraged?

    Typical. Always race pimpimg. Working people, aka taxpayers are fed up with being ignored, forgotten, sacrificed, by the establishment. Working people realize the establishment exists for itself and this election is their chance to demand fundamental change.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #53725
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    The other question is, why do the most privileged people in America — white Christian males — act like they’re the most oppressed? Why are they the angriest, on a day to day basis, when they have the fewest actual reasons to be so permanently outraged?

    Typical. Always race pimpimg. Working people, aka taxpayers are fed up with being ignored, forgotten, sacrificed, by the establishment. Working people realize the establishment exists for itself and this election is their chance to demand fundamental change.

    Just stating the facts, bnw. No one has it better in America than white Christian males. And from that group, rich white Christian males. Like Trump.

    Btw, do you consider the government to be “the establishment”? It’s not. It works for “the establishment.” In America, that’s always been the rich and big business in general. It’s always been the private sector, not the public. Which is why it makes zero sense to want a billionaire real estate conman running things.

    #53730
    NewMexicoRam
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    Seems to me it’s the BLM who hates the government the most and are most dependent on the government financially, not the Tea Party folks. Tea Party people don’t hate the government. They are in favor of limited government, which was the general thought of the Constitutional fathers. And I am not a Tea Party member.

    #53731
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Seems to me it’s the BLM who hates the government the most and are most dependent on the government financially, not the Tea Party folks. Tea Party people don’t hate the government. They are in favor of limited government, which was the general thought of the Constitutional fathers. And I am not a Tea Party member.

    BLM doesn’t hate the government per se. It protests police brutality, primarily. Racism generally. Systemic racism and discrimination more specifically. And it’s not really accurate to say they’re more dependent on government. Under capitalism, no one is more dependent than business owners, corporations, the wealthy. They receive the vast majority of all the benefits handed out by our government, and it’s not at all close.

    Also, the so-called “founders” didn’t believe in “limited government,” at least not in the sense “conservatives” assume. If they had, there never would have been an Article One, Section Eight. Actually, there never would have been a Constitution at all, which set up the most powerful, non-monarchical central government of its time. It was a “revolutionary” increase in power over the Articles of Confederation.

    #53735
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    Seems to me it’s the BLM who hates the government the most and are most dependent on the government financially, not the Tea Party folks. Tea Party people don’t hate the government. They are in favor of limited government, which was the general thought of the Constitutional fathers. And I am not a Tea Party member.

    BLM has never expressed “hatred for the government.” That’s only the fuzzy false picture you get of them if all you know is what detractors say about them and don’t know what they themselves actually say. And the idea that those associated with BLM are more government dependent does not bear much close scrutiny.

    We don’t listen to the constitutional fathers, who were very skeptical about letting corporate power dominate democracy. Basically that’s what we ended up with. If we had listened to them we would not have ended up with that. Interestingly part of the reason we suffer a system that limits democracy (because of the power the corporate world and the wealthy exercise over it) is because those forces used the “limit government” mantra to manipulate people. That just gave more power to them.

    #53736
    Avatar photozn
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    We don’t listen to the constitutional fathers, who were very skeptical about letting corporate power dominate democracy. Basically that’s what we ended up with.

    Founding fathers worried about corporate clout

    http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/local/article/Angela-Carella-Founding-fathers-worried-about-3628729.php

    Soon after the American colonies won their fight to separate from the British Empire, the Founding Fathers warned of another threat to government by the people.
    Corporations.
    The threat does not come from corporations that do business and amass wealth. It comes from corporations that use their wealth to build power for themselves by putting political candidates in office, dictating public policy and evading the law.
    In his book “Corporations Are Not People,” attorney Jeffrey Clements explains the history of corporate power in America. Clements, a Greenwich High School graduate and former Massachusetts assistant attorney general, wrote the book as part of a nationwide effort to overturn a 2010 U.S. Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to secretly give unlimited money to candidates through Super PACs.
    The court ruled that not allowing corporations to give the money violates their free speech rights, which are the same as for people.
    Clements quotes early American presidents on corporate power.
    In 1816, Thomas Jefferson, principal author of the Declaration of Independence, said he hoped to “crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
    In 1827, James Madison, known as the father of the Constitution, wrote that “incorporated companies with proper limitations and guards may, in particular cases, be useful; but they are at best a necessary evil only.”
    Clements explains how President Andrew Jackson became concerned about the political clout of a corporation called Second Bank of the United States. In his 1833 message to Congress, Jackson asked whether the American people are to govern through their elected representatives or “whether the money and power of a great corporation are to be secretly exerted to influence their judgment and control their decisions.”
    In his 1837 message to Congress, President Martin Van Buren warned of “the already overgrown influence of corporate authorities.”
    But corporations kept pushing.
    After the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, significantly expanded civil rights protections, lawyers for the Southern Pacific Railroad Co. tried to use it to avoid a tax assessed by Santa Clara County, Calif. Southern Pacific said it was a person under the 14th Amendment and the tax on railroad property was not equal because it was not assessed to other persons, which violated its rights.
    The case went to the Supreme Court, which in 1886 ruled in favor of the railroad based on California law, not on the premise that a corporation is a person under the Constitution.
    But what followed was a slew of Supreme Court cases in which big corporations demanded constitutional rights, Clements writes. They were trying to protect themselves from increasing cries to break up monopolies, ban corporate giving to politicians, and protect workers and the environment.
    In his 1888 message to Congress, President Grover Cleveland said, “Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters.”
    Still, the power of corporations, particularly monopolies or trusts, continued to grow. In 1901 President Theodore Roosevelt took action, earning him the nickname trust buster. He won a ban on corporate political contributions and measures such as the Pure Food and Drug Act prohibiting misleading labels and harmful chemicals.
    In 1913, Americans of both parties came together to back the 17th Amendment requiring that the people elect U.S. senators, Clements writes. Before that, senators were appointed by state legislatures, a process rife with corporate influence.
    Woodrow Wilson, who was president from 1913 to 1921, and Franklin Roosevelt, president from 1933 to 1945, won more regulations of corporate power. During Roosevelt’s term, Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black struck down the idea that corporations are people with rights under the Constitution.
    After that, “corporate personhood was a dead issue for decades,” Clements writes.
    Then came Earth Day 1970.
    Across America 20 million people took to the streets to demand that corporations stop polluting the air, soil and water and destroying wildlife, forests and rivers. Within a few years, with bipartisan support, Congress created the Environmental Protection Agency and passed the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act, the Toxic Substances Control Act and many others.
    In 1971, a corporate lawyer from Virginia, Lewis Powell, whose client was the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, outlined a plan for how corporations could strike back. Powell, a director of several international corporations including the Philip Morris cigarette manufacturer, wrote a memo to the Chamber saying corporations had to organize and plan long term and pool their money. Most significantly, corporations had to find “activist” Supreme Court judges to grant them rights, Powell’s memo said.
    In 1972, President Richard Nixon appointed Powell to the U.S. Supreme Court.
    Corporations did what Powell recommended. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce established a National Chamber Litigation Center. Corporate executives funded “legal foundations” around the country to pound their message into every court — the Constitution gives corporations the same rights as people.
    Finally, in 2010, the Supreme Court decreed just that.
    It overturned decades of campaign-finance laws and ruled that Citizens United, a Virginia corporation that advances conservative causes, could air an anti-Hillary Clinton documentary during the 2008 presidential race. But the court didn’t stop there. It said that corporations, in protection of their free speech rights, may contribute unlimited “independent expenditures” to candidates’ Super PACs.
    Now, in this presidential election year, money is flooding into Super PACs to surreptitiously pay for the campaigns and television ads of the candidates corporations choose.
    This is Resolutions Week, when Americans nationwide are pushing their towns and cities to pass resolutions calling for a reversal of the Citizens United decision and a return to the thinking of the nation’s founders.
    In “Corporations Are Not People,” Clements quotes President Theodore Roosevelt in a 1920 speech. “There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains,” Roosevelt said.

    #53738
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    I edited the original post to make sure everyone could see the article (a book review). I had to right click on the picture and open it in a new window to see the article before.

    #53739
    Avatar photoZooey
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    We don’t listen to the constitutional fathers, who were very skeptical about letting corporate power dominate democracy. Basically that’s what we ended up with. If we had listened to them we would not have ended up with that. Interestingly part of the reason we suffer a system that limits democracy (because of the power the corporate world and the wealthy exercise over it) is because those forces used the “limit government” mantra to manipulate people. That just gave more power to them.

    Exactly. It is a huge and dangerous mirage that smaller government means more liberty and power to the people. Smaller government means more liberty, unaccountability, and power to the corporations, and removes the people’s recourse.

    Of course, Big Government has been deliberately linked in the minds of the electorate with social programs. The corporate masters have to be very pleased with the Tea Partiers who are eager to throw out the baby with the bath water.

    #53740
    NewMexicoRam
    Participant

    Seems to me it’s the BLM who hates the government the most and are most dependent on the government financially, not the Tea Party folks. Tea Party people don’t hate the government. They are in favor of limited government, which was the general thought of the Constitutional fathers. And I am not a Tea Party member.

    BLM has never expressed “hatred for the government.” That’s only the fuzzy false picture you get of them if all you know is what detractors say about them and don’t know what they themselves actually say. And the idea that those associated with BLM are more government dependent does not bear much close scrutiny.

    We don’t listen to the constitutional fathers, who were very skeptical about letting corporate power dominate democracy. Basically that’s what we ended up with. If we had listened to them we would not have ended up with that. Interestingly part of the reason we suffer a system that limits democracy (because of the power the corporate world and the wealthy exercise over it) is because those forces used the “limit government” mantra to manipulate people. That just gave more power to them.

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    Allow me to re-phrase that.
    The founding fathers were in favor of limited

      federal

    government, for the most part.

    As far as state government, very few had problems with wide reaching government.

    #53742
    Avatar photozn
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    Seems to me it’s the BLM who hates the government the most and are most dependent on the government financially, not the Tea Party folks. Tea Party people don’t hate the government. They are in favor of limited government, which was the general thought of the Constitutional fathers. And I am not a Tea Party member.

    BLM has never expressed “hatred for the government.” That’s only the fuzzy false picture you get of them if all you know is what detractors say about them and don’t know what they themselves actually say. And the idea that those associated with BLM are more government dependent does not bear much close scrutiny.

    We don’t listen to the constitutional fathers, who were very skeptical about letting corporate power dominate democracy. Basically that’s what we ended up with. If we had listened to them we would not have ended up with that. Interestingly part of the reason we suffer a system that limits democracy (because of the power the corporate world and the wealthy exercise over it) is because those forces used the “limit government” mantra to manipulate people. That just gave more power to them.

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    Allow me to re-phrase that.
    The founding fathers were in favor of limited

      federal

    government, for the most part.

    As far as state government, very few had problems with wide reaching government.

    The founding fathers CREATED federal government.

    And 2 key points remain:

    1. blm is not protesting “government,” they are seeking to reform police policies

    2. the founding fathers resisted corporate power, which is what in the end came to dominate…so if we’re going to evoke the founding fathers, let’s evoke all of it, not some selective aspects. Otherwise it’s cherry picking.

    #53743
    Avatar photoBilly_T
    Participant

    Seems to me it’s the BLM who hates the government the most and are most dependent on the government financially, not the Tea Party folks. Tea Party people don’t hate the government. They are in favor of limited government, which was the general thought of the Constitutional fathers. And I am not a Tea Party member.

    BLM has never expressed “hatred for the government.” That’s only the fuzzy false picture you get of them if all you know is what detractors say about them and don’t know what they themselves actually say. And the idea that those associated with BLM are more government dependent does not bear much close scrutiny.

    We don’t listen to the constitutional fathers, who were very skeptical about letting corporate power dominate democracy. Basically that’s what we ended up with. If we had listened to them we would not have ended up with that. Interestingly part of the reason we suffer a system that limits democracy (because of the power the corporate world and the wealthy exercise over it) is because those forces used the “limit government” mantra to manipulate people. That just gave more power to them.

    _________________________________________________________________

    Allow me to re-phrase that.
    The founding fathers were in favor of limited

      federal

    government, for the most part.

    As far as state government, very few had problems with wide reaching government.

    But, again, if you look at the Constitution, they weren’t in favor of a “limited” federal government, either. We would have just stayed with the Articles of Confederation if that were the case. Remember, the anti-federalists lost the debate.

    And, they did impose limits on the states, and established the supremacy clause.

    Look at Section 10 for those state limits, and Section 8, especially, for massive powers granted to the Federal government:

    Article One of the United States Constitution

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