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October 25, 2017 at 9:07 am #76519wvParticipant
“…snead accomplished No. 1 quickly, stealing offensive prodigy Sean McVay from Washington last January. He hired Mike Forde, a high-performance consultant who was once Chelsea’s director of football operations, to calibrate the Rams’ approach to just about everything. (No. 2: check.) Then he added a left tackle, Andrew Whitworth; a center, John Sullivan; and three wideouts: Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods and third-round draft pick Cooper Kupp. (No. 3: check. As for No. 4, Aaron Donald is back on the field: good enough.)
The Rams did all this because they had to, because that’s how NFL teams win. Think of the QBs who defined this generation: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger. . . . They didn’t win on spirals alone…”
link:https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/24/jared-goff-los-angeles-rams-les-snead-sean-mcvay?utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=socialOctober 25, 2017 at 9:32 am #76521znModeratorHow Atlanta Falcons called on Premier League expertise for transformation that sent them to the top
Former Chelsea director of football Mike Forde helped trigger the changes that saved the Falcons, and he reveals why removing the ego among players is crucial to generating success
Ian Herbert
The relationship at the heart of the Atlanta Falcons, who seek to bloody the nose of the New England Patriots in Sunday‘s Super Bowl, is precisely the kind which the English Premier League has found almost impossibly difficult to sustain.
It was formed when Dan Quinn was hired, two years ago, to coach the team, seemingly removing at a stroke a substantial amount of roster control held by general manager Thomas Dimitroff. When that happens in Britain’s ego-fuelled division, two into one generally doesn’t go and a Dimitroff would be out the door.
In the build-up to hostilities in Houston, though, the relationship between Quinn and Dimitroff has been described by Sports Illustrated as “the vision that saved Atlanta” and Atlanta team president Rich McKay told the publication that it was a Briton steeped in the Premier League who has helped make it so.
Mike Forde was widely seen by many as a strong contender to become Chelsea chief executive when Ron Gourlay left three years ago, having modernised the business as its director of football operations. Before that, at Bolton Wanderers, he worked with Dr Bill Gerrard, one of the early exponents of the use of data in the transfer market, to help make Sam Allardyce’s tenure so successful. Dave Brailsford is among those to have looked for Forde’s insights, in his accretion of marginal gains.
It is Forde’s experience of the often dislocated relationships between executives and managers at the top of Premier League clubs – and the ways that rafts of staff cleared out as each new manager arrives – which has seen him build a reputation in the US though, as a consultant to the Falcons, Miami Dolphins and Philadelphia Eagles, with Brooklyn Nets, Philadelphia 76ers and others in basketball. Around 80 per cent have brought his consultancy in to prevent a change of coach creating holy hell and an unravelling which can set the club back years.
The Sportology consultancy, established with Aidan Halliwell, frequently sits the two individuals whose presence might seem mutually threatening in a room together and hammers out how they might co-exist. They go through the same process with owners to establish what kind of a team they are trying to establish, so that a new coach is not relying on signals and guesswork at his new organisation. “Corporate knowledge capture” is the term: the establishment of a singular vision of team culture, athletic performance, coaching style and scouting structure.
For the coaches, it is an exercise in subjugating ego – “leave your ego at the door,” is one of the mantras – and Forde can point to a very material example of how that might work. He has worked closely with Carlo Ancelotti, perhaps the ultimate example of management with the ego taken out.
“A strong coach will land grab and the ownership need to be strong enough about what their philosophy and aims are, to resist that,” Forde says. He cites Bayern Munich. ”A club of 25 players, 55 games [a season]. They tell their new managers: ‘This is us. We work the way we do.” It is a state of independent thinking that Manchester City aspired for after the Italian Roberto Mancini effectively set up a state within a state at the Etihad, insisting on bringing in a phalanx of his own staff. City spoke of a new “holistic” approach to running their business after Mancini left. They are still struggling to do that. Pep Guardiola’s arrival has coincided with a number of English ancillary staff leaving.
“What blows up eventually, in my mind, is the word trust,” McKay said this week, in the process of explaining why Forde had been so invaluable. “It’s the idea that somehow you begin to think that somebody else has a different agenda; that they’re not looking out for the same thing. And I think in many instances that comes from a lack of communication, and it winds up going to trust—and personnel winds up going to one side of the hall, coaching ends up on the other side of the hall, and it’s all bad … because then decisions are made for all the wrong reasons.”
Forde’s work in the Premier League transfer market has also fascinated the Americans. The potential risks attached to buying players in that division is far higher, with multiple nationalities and language and higher asset values. US sport, with its salary caps and principally American market for players, presents fewer surprises. The Americans want help with how they can extract better competitive advantage, and secure marginal gain, in how they spend on players.
The decreasing shelf life of the American sports coach makes the changes Forde helps supervise a more frequent challenge. The average NFL and NBA coach will last 3.2 years. The average tenure of the Premier League manager is 1.8 years, which suggest that the division’s own owners might want to investigate the process, too. English sport tends to think it knows best, though as Forde’s own departure from Chelsea in 2013 only went to show. Jose Mourinho returned as the new manager and within a week the director of football operations became surplus to requirement.
October 25, 2017 at 9:44 am #76522znModeratorThe Shared Vision That Saved the Atlanta Falcons
Albert Breer
February 01, 2017https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/02/01/nfl-atlanta-falcons-thomas-dimitroff-dan-quinn-super-bowl-51
HOUSTON — Thomas Dimitroff’s awakening happened at the end of the 2006 season, when the Patriots beat the Chargers in the divisional round of the playoffs. Dimitroff, now the Falcons GM, was at the time New England’s college scouting director. By most measures San Diego had more talent and was the better team, having gone 14-2 despite resting its starters in Week 17.
Yet the Patriots won. And they won because, across the board, they had it together.
The Chargers didn’t. They had a talented GM (AJ Smith) and a decorated coach (Marty Schottenheimer) who couldn’t get along, and the team imploded. The coach was gone less than a month later. San Diego’s spectacular, precocious core never won a title.
Lesson learned: If the most important relationship in the building isn’t taken care of—and if the coaching and scouting philosophies aren’t aligned—you don’t stand much of a chance in the NFL, no matter how many great players you have on the roster.
Lesson applied: Dimitroff, the GM in Atlanta since 2008, was forced to work with new coach Dan Quinn at the start of 2015—a move that took away some of Dimitroff’s roster control. But the GM subjugated his ego, forged a relationship with Quinn and helped get the Falcons back to the Super Bowl for the first time since the 1999 season.
Were there trust issues? Did he feel undercut? Was the outside noise about his job security too much to handle?
“When those things crept into my mind or started to tug at my attention, I just … I was very determined to pull it back and focus on that really strong definitive goal to build that relationship and build the team,” Dimitroff said in a quiet moment on Tuesday. “The reality is, we all know we’re going to deal with critics. I knew what I signed up for many years ago.
“I knew about the proverbial hot seat, I didn’t know if it was going be only one year or three years. I probably didn’t expect that. I understand it. And I appreciate Arthur [Blank] sticking by me during those tough times.”
It sounds so easy, doesn’t it? Find a good coach and a good GM, come up with a vision, align coaching and scouting, and win a whole bunch of games.
Just like it’s a game for big people, pro football is also a game for outsized egos. And if there’s one common cause of internal chaos among NFL franchises, it’s egos clashing at the highest levels of football operations. The fallout is predictable. The coaches complain that players acquired by others don’t fit. The scouts, wanting to cover themselves, counter by collecting talent without regard to scheme. A mess follows.
This is the story of how it doesn’t have to be like that, and how the Falcons busted their asses to make sure it wouldn’t be like that when they made the decision to fire Mike Smith, retain Dimitroff and hire Quinn two years ago—a move that followed a 4-12 finish in 2013 and a 6-10 finish in ’14.
“It’s important that we hold each other accountable, that we’re holding up our end of the deal,” Quinn said. “Fortunate for us, we’ve seen some great models, not just in our own game, but also in basketball and baseball. It’s something we strive to keep moving forward. It doesn’t happen overnight, but he and I together, we work to keep growing stronger and stronger.”
Quinn saw Pete Carroll and John Schneider make it work in Seattle, and Dimitroff had a good view of how Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli (now the assistant GM in Atlanta) set up a dynasty in Foxborough. They’ve tapped their relationships with R.C. Buford and Greg Popovich (Spurs), and Bob Myers and Steve Kerr (Warriors) in the NBA, and Theo Epstein and Joe Maddon (Cubs) in MLB. But they’ve also done their own work.
As team president Rich McKay explains it, Quinn’s second interview, in 2015, was used as a relationship-building exercise between the coach-to-be and the GM, with the two working out how everything would be structured. Four months later, over a six-week period, Quinn and Dimitroff worked with a consultant, Mike Forde, on what’s called “corporate knowledge capture”—and they came out with mission statements on everything from team culture to athletic performance to coaching style and scouting structure. The idea was to have a singular vision.
“What blows up eventually, in my mind, is the word trust,” McKay says. “It’s the idea that somehow you begin to think that somebody else has a different agenda, that they’re not looking out for the same thing. And I think in many instances that comes from a lack of communication, and it winds up going to trust—and personnel winds up going to one side of the hall, coaching ends up on the other side of the hall, and it’s all bad … because then decisions are made for all the wrong reasons.”
After Dimitroff survived the 2015 purge, there was league-wide speculation that the Falcons would pair a new personnel man with their new coach in 2016; Seattle’s Trent Kirchner and Minnesota’s George Paton were even bandied about as candidates.
Dimitroff concedes now that his efforts to block out those reports were less than successful. He couldn’t avoid hearing it. “There were polls being run in the AJC that, two years in a row, were attempting to stir a lot up and suggest I shouldn’t be here,” he says. “I’d steer clear of it as much as possible. But there’s always going to be family and friends and loved ones calling: Did you see they wrote this about you?”
The results have spoken for themselves.
Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan inherited an offense that had cornerstones, and Dimitroff and Pioli added a center (Alex Mack), a game-breaker wideout (Taylor Gabriel), a reliable target (Mohammed Sanu), a pass-catching tight end (Austin Hooper) and a back (Tevin Coleman) to push the group and max out the scheme.
On defense, Keanu Neal—Atlanta’s version of what Quinn had in Seattle with Kam Chancellor—is as good an example as any of the collective vision coming together. But finding a pass rusher (Vic Beasley) and linebackers who can cover ground (Deion Jones, De’Vondre Campbell) was just as important to creating a unit built for short- and long-term success (seven first- or second-year players are starting).
Dimitroff explains why this has worked so well: “To me, it’s two very adept football men coming together, who are very confident, who are very secure, and who have an element of humility about them. And they understand they’re going to grow and learn together. I know that’s a long-winded way of saying it, but that’s what I believe. There were a number of things that were lined up, that’s why I think it worked.”
He and Quinn did the work to make sure they wouldn’t fall victim to what Dimitroff witnessed 10 years ago in San Diego. And so it makes sense that, with a team similarly stocked in potential, they’ve avoided a similar fate.
October 25, 2017 at 10:19 am #76528wvParticipantEnh. Sounds like the corporate version of ‘life coaches.’ Sounds like stuff you could learn in “Everything you need to know you learn in Kindergarten” books.
At any rate, whatever the Patriots have is special. Year after year after year after year they continue to be great. Players change, and it doesnt matter. Its unlike anything else in pro football. No NFL team has duplicated it. Is it Belichick? Belichick and Brady? Something more?
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vOctober 25, 2017 at 10:49 am #76529znModeratorEnh. Sounds like the corporate version of ‘life coaches.’ Sounds like stuff you could learn in “Everything you need to know you learn in Kindergarten” books.
At any rate, whatever the Patriots have is special. Year after year after year after year they continue to be great. Players change, and it doesnt matter. Its unlike anything else in pro football. No NFL team has duplicated it. Is it Belichick? Belichick and Brady? Something more?
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vI honestly don’t think it’s unique. It’s just a version of what we already saw with the Shula Dolphins, the Noll Steelers, or the Walsh 9ers. And a coupla others too.
Heck Walsh did it with 2 different qbs. Shula did it with 3 different qbs (Griese, Morrall, Marino).
Yeah in terms of Forde I am not real big on “consultants” stuff. But apparently they had issues last year in the front office, not just on the field, and they were interested in getting everyone on the same page. So far that has worked. So…so be it. It worked. Forde gets his money, Rams get their “winning culture,” fans get to argue about it. Everyone’s happy.
October 25, 2017 at 5:04 pm #76533wvParticipantI honestly don’t think it’s unique. It’s just a version of what we already saw with the Shula Dolphins, the Noll Steelers, or the Walsh 9ers. And a coupla others too.
Heck Walsh did it with 2 different qbs. Shula did it with 3 different qbs (Griese, Morrall, Marino).
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Well, there’s similarities to the Lombardi teams, Shula, Walsh, Noll, Halas, etc, but man, no organization has done ‘it’ in the last two decades, right?
I’m not saying its ‘magic’ but I do think there must be some animalsacrifices goin
on in the back room.w
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