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January 2, 2015 at 9:34 pm #15383
znModeratorI say the top 6…listed alphabetically…are Baltimore, Cincinnati, Dallas, Green Bay, New Orleans, & Pittsburgh.
To focus this, there are several modes of acquisition: high 1st round pick (above 15), low 1st round pick, rounds 2-7 each listed separately, UDFA, “ronin” (a cut or waiver pick-up who drifted between teams), high-market FA, bargain FA, and trade.
Because I am looking at how each team acquired its players, what matters is how the present team got the guy. So for example, it doesn’t matter what round he is picked in originally if he is a FA–“FA” is its own category (to illustrate, while Timmerman was originally a 7th rounder and Long originally a high first rounder, when the Rams got them, they were both high-market FAs).
If someone is a rookie, I say so.
Baltimore
LT Monroe High-end FA
LG Osemele 2nd round pick
C Zuttah trade (using 5th round pick)
RG Yanda 3rd round pick
RT Wagner 5th round pickCincinnati
LT Whitworth 2nd round pick
LG Boling 4th round pick
C Bodine rookie…4th round pick
RG Zeitler lower 1st round pick
RT Smith high 1st round pickDallas
LT Smith high 1st round pick
LG Leary UDFA
C Frederick lower 1st round pick
RG Martin lower 1st round pick
RT Free 4th round pickGreen Bay
LT Bakhtiari 4th round pick
LG Sitton 4th round pick
C Linsley rookie…5th round pick
RG Lang 4th round pick
RT Bulaga lower 1st round pickNew Orleans
LT Armstead 3rd round
LG Grubbs high-end FA
C Goodwin bargain FA
RG Evans 5th round pick
RT Strief bargain FAPittsburgh
LT Beachum 7th round pick
LG Foster UDFA
C Pouncey lower 1st round pick
RG DeCastro lower 1st round pick
RT Gilbert 2nd round pickSo how does that break down?
High-end FA 2
High 1st round 2
Lower 1st round 6
2nd round 3
3rd round 2
4th round 6
5th round 3
6th round
7th round 1
UDFA 2
Bargain FA 2
Trade 1
“ronin”January 2, 2015 at 10:08 pm #15385
InvaderRamModeratorrams so far.
robinson – high 1st round
saffold – high 2nd round
wells – fa
joseph – fa
barksdale – waiversi could see them replacing wells and joseph with potentially a 1st rounder and a lower round pick.
personally i think it makes sense given the strength of this year’s draft. i don’t know what the fa market looks like. but the rams seem to be able to spot ol talent in the draft.
January 2, 2015 at 10:18 pm #15387InvaderRamModeratoror they could draft ol in the second round and another in the later rounds. there should be plenty of talent left in the second round to choose from.
January 2, 2015 at 10:18 pm #15388
wvParticipantI’m glad to see a couple of those teams
picked Centers in the first round.
Sometimes i get an inkling that a lot of fans
think “you dont take a center in the first round”w
vJanuary 2, 2015 at 10:26 pm #15391znModeratorsometimes i get an inkling that a lot of fans
think “you dont take a center in the first round”from an earlier post, now on page 2
I look at the top 12 graded guards and top 12 graded centers according to PFF, and check into how they’re acquired.
CENTER: 4 lower 1st round picks (18th, 21st, 29th, 31st); 2 2nd round picks; a 5th round pick; 2 6th round picks; 1 low-market free agent (avg. 0.795 a year), and 1 converted guard/ronin type.
I will say this about center. If someone is taken after round 2 or comes in as a ronin, usually they develop on the bench before starting. So this list says that if you need a center NOW, you need to use a low 1st or a 2nd round pick.
January 2, 2015 at 10:47 pm #15394
JackPMillerParticipantMy top 5 OLines are Seattle Seahawks, Denver Broncos, Philadelphia Eagles, New England Patriots, and Green Bay Packers.
January 2, 2015 at 10:47 pm #15395wvParticipantwv wrote:
sometimes i get an inkling that a lot of fans
think “you dont take a center in the first round”from an earlier post, now on page 2
I look at the top 12 graded guards and top 12 graded centers according to PFF, and check into how they’re acquired.
CENTER: 4 lower 1st round picks (18th, 21st, 29th, 31st); 2 2nd round picks; a 5th round pick; 2 6th round picks; 1 low-market free agent (avg. 0.795 a year), and 1 converted guard/ronin type.
I will say this about center. If someone is taken after round 2 or comes in as a ronin, usually they develop on the bench before starting. So this list says that if you need a center NOW, you need to use a low 1st or a 2nd round pick.
Well since wv ram
is in Win-Yesterday-Mode,
I say they trade down into the back of the first round.
Pick up an extra 2 or 3.
Then pick the best available Center-Guard with the first pick.
Then pick the best available Center-Guard with the second pick.
Then pick a QB.
Then throw all kinds of money towards bounties
and bribing refs and filming the seahawks practices.w
vJanuary 3, 2015 at 2:22 am #15401znModeratorMy top 5 OLines are Seattle Seahawks, Denver Broncos, Philadelphia Eagles, New England Patriots, and Green Bay Packers.
I agree on Green Bay.
I think Seattle is an at-best average OL. They get by with it because of the combination of Lynch, the defense, and always being at the very bottom of the league in pass attempts. And, btw, in spite of being at the bottom of the league in pass attempts, they are also near the bottom of the league in sack percentage. That’s a bad combination.
I think Denver was better last year.
New England I am not decided on yet. They seem to have a lot of chaos on the line this year.
The Eagles? Maybe it was the injuries…Kelce, Herrmans, and Mathis all missed time.
A year ago at this time, the offensive line was one of the Eagles’ greatest strengths. It was a dominating unit that helped LeSean McCoy run away with the league rushing title and afforded Nick Foles enough pocket security to lead the league in almost every pertinent passing category. The five starters didn’t miss a single game.
That hasn’t been the case this season. Including right tackle Lane Johnson’s four-game PED suspension, the Eagles’ linemen have missed 22 starts. Left guard Evan Mathis missed seven with a knee sprain. Right guard Todd Herremans has been on injured reserve since early November with a torn bicep. Center Jason Kelce missed four games after needing surgery to repair a sports hernia.
The Eagles have had four of their five starters back together for the last six games. The only one missing has been Herremans, who has been replaced by Andrew Gardner.
But offensive-line coach Jeff Stoutland’s unit hasn’t played nearly as well as it did last year. Jason Peters, a six-time Pro Bowler, probably is going to be in the Hall of Fame some day. But this has not been one of his better seasons.
January 3, 2015 at 4:08 am #15404InvaderRamModeratori was really hoping jones would just grab that center position. maybe he still can.
January 3, 2015 at 7:10 am #15407znModeratori was really hoping jones would just grab that center position. maybe he still can.
I doubt they can count on that. So, they get one, and if both Jones and Rhaney come through, they’re deep there for a change.
January 3, 2015 at 11:06 am #15421InvaderRamModeratorno i don’t think they should count on that.
but. they shouldn’t draft a pure center. draft someone who can play multiple positions.
January 3, 2015 at 3:55 pm #15449JackPMillerParticipantJackPMiller wrote:
My top 5 OLines are Seattle Seahawks, Denver Broncos, Philadelphia Eagles, New England Patriots, and Green Bay Packers.I agree on Green Bay.
I think Seattle is an at-best average OL. They get by with it because of the combination of Lynch, the defense, and always being at the very bottom of the league in pass attempts. And, btw, in spite of being at the bottom of the league in pass attempts, they are also near the bottom of the league in sack percentage. That’s a bad combination.
I think Denver was better last year.
New England I am not decided on yet. They seem to have a lot of chaos on the line this year.
The Eagles? Maybe it was the injuries…Kelce, Herrmans, and Mathis all missed time.
A year ago at this time, the offensive line was one of the Eagles’ greatest strengths. It was a dominating unit that helped LeSean McCoy run away with the league rushing title and afforded Nick Foles enough pocket security to lead the league in almost every pertinent passing category. The five starters didn’t miss a single game.
That hasn’t been the case this season. Including right tackle Lane Johnson’s four-game PED suspension, the Eagles’ linemen have missed 22 starts. Left guard Evan Mathis missed seven with a knee sprain. Right guard Todd Herremans has been on injured reserve since early November with a torn bicep. Center Jason Kelce missed four games after needing surgery to repair a sports hernia.
The Eagles have had four of their five starters back together for the last six games. The only one missing has been Herremans, who has been replaced by Andrew Gardner.
But offensive-line coach Jeff Stoutland’s unit hasn’t played nearly as well as it did last year. Jason Peters, a six-time Pro Bowler, probably is going to be in the Hall of Fame some day. But this has not been one of his better seasons.
That is all for us to disagree. We have our opinions. I’m not sold on Pittsburgh’s OLine as much, because they have in my mind, is the best Head Coach in the NFL. Also, any OLine that has Doug Free on it, does not qualify for being top 10 worthy. Denver has the best LOT in the game with Ryan Claddy.
January 4, 2015 at 12:03 pm #15503znModeratorThat is all for us to disagree. We have our opinions.
Yeah there are lots of different views on this kind of thing.
I look forward to PFF’s annual OL rankings. I don’t think they’re definitive, but IMO they’re always interesting.
January 5, 2015 at 1:52 pm #15557
snowmanParticipantI think the Patriots have always had very good offensive lines. Gave up only 22 sacks this season. Here is their starting five:
New England
LT N.Solder 1st round pick 2011, 17th overall
LG D.Connolly UDFA 2005 by Jacksonville
C B.Stork 4th round pick 2014, 105th overall
RG R.Wendell UDFA 2008 by New England
RT S.Vollmer 2nd round pick 2009, 58th overallJanuary 5, 2015 at 2:28 pm #15563znModeratorI think the Patriots have always had very good offensive lines. Gave up only 22 sacks this season. Here is their starting five:
New England
LT N.Solder 1st round pick 2011, 17th overall
LG D.Connolly UDFA 2005 by Jacksonville
C B.Stork 4th round pick 2014, 105th overall
RG R.Wendell UDFA 2008 by New England
RT S.Vollmer 2nd round pick 2009, 58th overallThanks, that’s good work.
The problem with saying anything about the Patz OL in 2014 is that they shifted it constantly, due to injuries and just plain experimental shuffling trying to find the best line-up.
I don’t say this to “argue,” I just think it’s interesting in its own right.
The Patz played 10 different OL combinations in 2014, and started 9 different players.
January 9, 2015 at 2:41 pm #15958znModeratorI listed (alphabetically) Baltimore, Cincinnatti, Dallas, Green Bay, New Orleans, Pittsburgh.
PFF lists as their top 7 Dallas, PHiladelphia, Baltimore, Green Bay, Houston, Cleveland, Cincinnati.
That’s an overlap of 3: Dallas, Cincinnatti, Green Bay.
I didnt list Cleveland or Houston or Philadelphia (though Jack listed Phil)
They list Pittsburgh as 8th.
They list New Orleans as 11th.
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