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September 11, 2017 at 4:18 pm #74167znModerator
A perfectly timed LASER with nice velocity but it also had TOUCH.
Crisp, came out quick, went to exactly the right micro spot in the universe. Perfect anticipation (think, where was Kupp when Goff actually threw it?)
Warner was good of course (and obviously) but he didn’t throw crisp spinners with that kind of trajectory. (To ward off a potential misread here, I ain’t saying Goff is better than Warner…I am only talking about one type of pass. Obviously there’s more that this kind of pass in the universe, and Warner had plenty of others, but…this kind of pass is also worth noticing in isolation for its own sake.)
Here it is again:
Kupp runneth over the defense 🙌 #INDvsLA pic.twitter.com/1MljSCJ4RA
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) September 10, 2017
September 11, 2017 at 4:29 pm #74168znModeratorSeptember 11, 2017 at 5:08 pm #74173HerzogParticipantI can tell you who it wasn’t….It wasn’t bradford
September 11, 2017 at 7:49 pm #74203ZooeyModeratorThere were a lot of highlights in the game, and many of them make me very happy, but this play makes me happier than all the others.
This is the play that opened up Tomorrow for me.
September 11, 2017 at 8:55 pm #74204InvaderRamModeratorthis is why i feel better about this win than other wins in the past. in the last several years we’d see this team get some impressive wins. they’d even string together some pretty impressive runs. but then the inevitable letdown would happen, and the team couldn’t sustain it over a full season to make a run at the playoffs.
but yesterday. i saw several incredible throws from goff that i hadn’t seen previously from other rams qbs, and that’s what makes me think this time is different. was goff perfect? no. but at the same time, i’ve seen flashes and it gives me hope that this time will be different.
it just increases the margin for error so that in games where it isn’t a blowout. his ability to throw strikes will give this team the edge it didn’t have before.
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September 11, 2017 at 9:18 pm #74208joemadParticipantThe touch pass to Everett that set up Gurley’s TD was pretty impressive too….
September 11, 2017 at 9:28 pm #74209InvaderRamModeratorThe touch pass to Everett that set up Gurley’s TD was pretty impressive too….
yeah that was another one.
and what’s most impressive is his ypa which was 10.55.
dude was getting yards in big chunks. it helps when you don’t have to get yards in little chunks and try to string together a drive. they were getting downfield in a hurry.
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September 11, 2017 at 9:54 pm #74215InvaderRamModeratorI can tell you who it wasn’t….It wasn’t bradford
i’ll say this. goff, as mcvay himself has said, is a pure natural thrower. i don’t know how to describe it. but he’s got abilities as a passer that i don’t think bradford has. i don’t know about reading defenses and going through progressions. ya know. but as far as getting a football from his point a to point b, goff is better at doing that than bradford. accuracy, arm strength, ball placement, touch, timing, mechanics… bradford maybe has him beat in some areas. but overall. i think i’d take goff.
it’s only been 8 games so far. so a lot is left to be learned. but wow. maybe i’m just so blinded by that last game. but yeah. just throwing a football. goff is better.
September 11, 2017 at 10:00 pm #74219nittany ramModeratorI can tell you who it wasn’t….It wasn’t bradford
Are you watching him tonight? He’s been throwing lasers all game long.
September 11, 2017 at 10:04 pm #74220HerzogParticipantI can tell you who it wasn’t….It wasn’t bradford
Are you watching him tonight? He’s been throwing lasers all game long.
I haven’t been able to watch the game… but my point wasn’t that Bradford can’t throw lasers…it was that he only throws them. Although I must admit I haven’t seen him lately
September 11, 2017 at 10:15 pm #74222InvaderRamModeratorhe is throwing lasers today. but yeah. i agree with herzog. i remember early in bradford’s career. he had a hard timing putting touch on his throws. sometimes he wouldn’t put the right loft on it. i remember in particular he had a hard time throwing a fade.
i don’t think goff has those problems. he can throw a fade. he can throw with loft. he can throw on a rope. he can throw at a moving target. all with good accuracy. i’m not sure bradford can do all that. maybe now. but not when he was younger. goff already has that in his toolset.
i think for him it’s not the mechanics of throwing a football. it’s really just learning how to read defenses. going through progressions. learning a pro style offense. but just throwing a football. i trust mcvay when he says how good he is as a pure thrower.
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September 11, 2017 at 10:51 pm #74225znModeratorAre you watching him tonight? He’s been throwing lasers all game long.
I agree that Bradford throws lasers. But watch Goff’s ball magically drop at the last instant right to Kupp. It’s a laser…with touch. AND it’s thrown over 2 defenders. A slightly high trajectory laser clearing two defenders that then fades down at the exact last possible instant.
That’s pretty good.
September 11, 2017 at 11:35 pm #74226InvaderRamModeratori don’t know how much this has to do with a debate of who is a better passer. i think it plays a part.
but i was looking at yards per attempt. goff’s ypa yesterday was 10.55.
do you know how many times bradford has thrown for double digit ypa?
and there’s a lot of things that probably go into that. like the system you play in and stuff. talent level of your receivers. but i found this interesting.
bradford has 2 games with double digit ypa. TWO. i looked it up. looked at every single gamelog of his. and that includes THIS game that he just played.
and goff did it in just his eighth game.
i think bradford might have him beat in arm strength. just pure arm strength. and so he can throw it on a rope. but goff’s instincts as a passer. like zn said. throwing with enough loft to get it over defenders. but with enough velocity to get there in a hurry. and the touch to throw a catchable ball. he’s thrown some beauties already. not just that td pass. but yeah. even last year. that pass to tavon. he’s thrown one to everett. a couple to woods.
even that late pass to kupp. where he just threw it up there. but i swear. i think he purposely threw it behind the defender so kupp could reach back and snag it behind the defender. i think it’s those types of instincts combined with ability that bradford lacked.
now i don’t know how good goff can become. there’s more to being a qb than just throwing the football. we still don’t know how goff will do when he’s under duress. when he’s playing from behind or in a close game. we don’t know about his leadership abilities. or his ability to read defenses. go through progressions and such.
i would put it like this i guess. jeff george. they said he threw some of the prettiest balls you could ever imagine. it was just everything else he sucked at.
goff throws a pretty ball. we just don’t know how good he is at the other things.
September 12, 2017 at 1:54 am #74230Eternal RamnationParticipantI’ve never seen anyone pass like that. It’s almost like a curve ball with a football the way he drops it down at the end like that, freakish. I don’t know how he does it but I hope he keeps on doing it.
September 12, 2017 at 1:56 pm #74245joemadParticipantI can tell you who it wasn’t….It wasn’t bradford
Are you watching him tonight? He’s been throwing lasers all game long.
yes, I watched him last……… Sam looked great. … 27 for 32 (3 of the incompletions were drops) with 3 TDs and no INTs.
Sam is a great QB when healthy…….. I wish him the best, with exception of the Rams / Vikes game on Nov 19 in Bloomington.
September 12, 2017 at 6:47 pm #74257AgamemnonParticipantJared Goff in week 1 🔥https://t.co/xvgpmq0B8R pic.twitter.com/H8Q8vs69bN
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) September 12, 2017
Goff also pushed the ball down the field, and was four for five on deep (20-plus air yards) attempts.
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September 12, 2017 at 7:35 pm #74259InvaderRamModeratorcan’t wait until this sunday. washington should be a much better test than indy.
i expect some regression. just hope it’s not too much of one.
September 12, 2017 at 8:34 pm #74262HerzogParticipantFull disclosure: I did pick up Bradford on my fantasy football team after that performance
September 12, 2017 at 9:26 pm #74263InvaderRamModeratorGoff also pushed the ball down the field, and was four for five on deep (20-plus air yards) attempts.
and once watkins gets going?
wonder if norman covers watkins. that’ll be something exciting.
September 13, 2017 at 10:03 pm #74291znModerator.@kurt13warner's Top 5 QBs: Week 1
5. @derekcarrqb (@RAIDERS)
4. @JaredGoff16 (@RamsNFL)
3-1. 👇👇👇 pic.twitter.com/5jpMIqOacD— NFL (@NFL) September 14, 2017
September 15, 2017 at 11:19 am #74367znModeratorCan Sean McVay do for Jared Goff what he did for Kirk Cousins?
Alden Gonzalez
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Jared Goff and Kirk Cousins met in Houston, in the days leading up to Super Bowl LI, three weeks after the Los Angeles Rams hired a 31-year-old offensive coordinator named Sean McVay to be their new coach. They chatted for only about five minutes, and Cousins, Goff said, had “nothing but good things to say” about McVay.
Cousins’ admiration runs deep. Shortly after McVay got the job, and thus became the youngest head coach in modern NFL history, Cousins gifted him a signed jersey with the inscription, “I owe you my career.” Cousins was a fourth-round pick who spent his first three years sitting behind Robert Griffin III, but he was finally named the Washington Redskins’ starting quarterback by 2015 — the same year McVay was given play-calling duties as the offensive coordinator.
With McVay in his ear, Cousins elevated himself among the game’s best, most efficient quarterbacks, throwing for 9,083 yards and completing 68.3 percent of his passes over these past two seasons.
Question is: Can McVay do the same for Goff?
Goff and Cousins face off in Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum at 1:25 p.m. PT on Sunday, with McVay coaching his Rams against an assemblage of familiar faces. Cousins will tell you McVay had “as big a role in my development as anybody,” but McVay won’t take so much credit. McVay was coaching tight ends when Cousins was drafted out of Michigan State in 2012, and Cousins spent his first two years growing in the NFL without him.
“I think it kind of just ended up where we crossed over at a really important time in both of our careers,” McVay said. “We were able to to develop a rapport and share a bond because of the human being, and then also because of some of the things you go through, both good and bad.”
Cousins was 27 years old with three years of NFL experience — albeit only nine NFL starts — when he became the Redskins’ full-time starter in 2015. Goff, however, is merely a 22-year-old second-year quarterback. But Goff also had the talent to be selected No. 1 overall, while Cousins saw 101 others get drafted before him. Maybe, in some way, it all evens out.
“They are both very good quarterbacks,” McVay said. “I really think extremely highly of Jared. As I continue to know him, the more that you like him. What you also appreciate is that we’re getting a feel for each other. We’ve played one game that counts together, and I think as we get experience together, we’ll only get more and more comfortable.”
Goff had a brutal rookie season, with the NFL’s lowest Total QBR among those with at least 200 passing attempts. But this past Sunday, in his first game under McVay, he went 21-of-29 for 306 yards, with a touchdown pass and zero interceptions despite an ineffective running game. Redskins coach Jay Gruden, who remains a close friend, knows exactly what to expect from McVay’s offense on Sunday — but that can only take him so far.
“They’re going to give us a lot of different formations, a lot of change-of-tempos offensively, quick counts, speed breaks, no huddle, a lot of different formations, a lot of stacks, and they’ve got a good running game with Todd Gurley, and he changes it up with good play-action passes,” Gruden said. “I can tell [the Redskins players] what he likes, but stopping it is another issue because you stop certain things, but then they hit you with the running game, or they hit you with the play-pass, or hit you with the bunch-stack deal and the quick game, and it’s a great changeup.”
McVay, who worked for the Redskins from 2010 to 2016, admitted this week that it would probably be “weird to separate the emotional aspect” from this game. The Rams’ video crew set up cameras in the room where McVay and general manager Les Snead learned their 2017 schedule, and McVay’s jaw dropped when he realized he would be hosting his former team in Week 2. “Can’t get beat by big brother,” Snead told him then.
“I know he’s excited,” Gurley said. “He’s just been excited, he’s been pumped up, wired all week. We know how much this means to him.”
McVay has tried his best to downplay it.
“Just knowing a lot of the people that were in that organization, and how much they meant to me, that’s where it has extra meaning,” McVay said. “But in terms of wanting to win this more than the others, it’s our same exact approach every single week.”
McVay’s success will ultimately come down to his quarterback and how well he works with him. It’s why McVay will tell you that “the most important thing is making sure that we think about the quarterback first and foremost. What he likes is really what we like as a coaching staff, and that’s what we’re continuing to figure out and navigate through as the season progresses with Jared.”
They still need a lot more time together, but the hope is that Goff develops similarly to Cousins. Cousins called McVay a “quick thinker” with a “sharp mind,” but one who is also “highly organized” and a “great communicator.” It may sound like standard compliments, but it truly is a rare package.
Asked how Goff can benefit from McVay, Cousins said: “Well, I think Sean has experience working with another young quarterback in myself. He knows what it’s like to try to teach his system to somebody who’s new to the league and new to starting, so this is not the first time around for Sean along those lines. And Jared has all the talent in the world, you know, with the arm talent. And that certainly gives them a great chance, because that doesn’t limit what Sean can do from a play-calling standpoint.”
September 16, 2017 at 10:38 pm #74418znModeratorJared Goff’s growth
By Bucky Brooks
JARED GOFF’S GROWTH: Never underestimate the power of coaching
If you at all question how much coaching matters in the NFL, particularly when it comes to quarterbacks, take a look at the passer rating leaders from Week 1 to see how top-flight play caller can help a QB play at an elite level:
1) Alex Smith, Kansas City Chiefs: 148.6
2) Sam Bradford, Minnesota Vikings: 143.0
3) Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams: 117.9Smith, Bradford and Goff lead the NFL in passing efficiency largely due to the careful planning and scripting of a call sheet. Granted, one week doesn’t make a season. But when I watched the All-22 Coaches Film of each of their performances, I was blown away with the clever scheming and sequencing used by their respective play callers to accentuate each of their strengths, while also making life easier for them in the pocket.
Whether it was Andy Reid embracing spread offense principles and concepts — including the option shovel pass, zone read and fly sweep — to help Smith find his groove or Pat Shurmur utilizing a wide array of quick-rhythm concepts designed to get the ball out of Bradford’s hands, these guys put their signal callers in positions to succeed. In addition, they repeated their quarterbacks’ favorite concepts from various formations to distract the defense while executing the same play over and over. While some would suggest that this is Coaching 101 stuff, we’ve already seen enough subpar quarterback play this season to know all coaches aren’t created equal.
To that point, I believe Los Angeles Rams newbie Sean McVay is off to a fantastic start in his head-coaching career. The 31-year old offensive wizard suddenly has Goff looking like the efficient field general many envisioned when he came off the board as the No. 1 overall pick in 2016. In a 46-9 blowout of the Colts last Sunday, Goff completed 21 of his 29 passes for 306 yards and a touchdown (with zero picks). Now, I know he shredded an Indianapolis defense that didn’t offer much resistance, but notching a 300-yard game with a 72.4 percent completion rate is quite an accomplishment for a passer who looked bewildered as a rookie.
With Goff’s fine regular-season debut looking like a continuation of his encouraging preseason, I believe we can start to buy into his potential as a QB1 under McVay. Studying the coaches tape from each of his preseason games and the regular-season opener, I identified a few things the Rams’ play caller is doing to help the second-year pro find his groove. First, the Rams are operating at a much quicker tempo than a season ago. The team will hurry to the line after successful plays or jump into no-huddle mode in the middle of series to push the pace against a beleaguered defense. The rapid-fire tempo not only limits the defensive coordinator’s call sheet due to communication concerns (fewer blitzes and pre-snap disguises), but it also allows Goff to stand at the line and survey the defense with McVay offering suggestions in his ear (the communication device doesn’t shut off until the 15-second mark on the play clock). The added advice likely helps Goff identify vulnerable areas in coverage, which leads to more big plays in the passing game.
In addition to the upping the tempo, McVay has incorporated some of the concepts that were staples of the “Bear Raid” offense Goff ran at Cal under Sonny Dykes. Some of the staple routes in that scheme mirror the basic pass patterns in the West Coast Offense, so Goff is back in familiar territory directing the Rams’ new-look offense. McVay has also incorporated a number of quick-rhythm play-action passes that lure defenders to the line of scrimmage, leaving huge windows for Goff to target Bang-8s (a version of the skinny post) and deep crossing routes. With those routes complementing a diverse quick-game package that features hitches, sticks and quick outs, the young quarterback has been dealing from the pocket.
The Rams’ implementation of a role-specific game plan for perimeter personnel has also helped Goff find his way. McVay has essentially recreated his Redskins offense in Los Angeles, with Sammy Watkins acting as the deep-ball threat (DeSean Jackson), Robert Woods serving as the reliable possession receiver (Pierre Garcon), Cooper Kupp featured as the chain mover in the slot (Jamison Crowder) and Tyler Higbee/Gerald Everett playing the matchup nightmare role at “Y” (Jordan Reed). That doesn’t even include the gadgetry that the team will eventually use with Tavon Austin stepping onto the field as a designated playmaker from any position.
If you think McVay’s offensive brilliance is a bit overblown, look at the impact his departure has already had on Kirk Cousins and the Redskins’ offense. With McVay as his offensive coordinator from 2014 through ’16, the Pro Bowl quarterback posted a 67.3 percent completion rate, a 64:32 touchdown-to-interception ratio and a 97.3 passer rating while averaging 8.0 yards per attempt. Without McVay this season, Cousins looked bad in the preseason and Week 1. Granted, he’s trying to get used to a new receiver corps, but don’t underestimate the McVay factor here.
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