Recent Forum Topics › Forums › The Rams Huddle › when can the NFL start again
- This topic has 19 replies, 5 voices, and was last updated 4 years, 7 months ago by zn.
-
AuthorPosts
-
April 15, 2020 at 9:41 am #113666znModerator
Fauci says sports can return if teams are quarantined, stadiums are empty https://t.co/1uo9mMJGrL
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) April 15, 2020
—
Dr. Fauci says there's a way sports can return this summer, but it involves no fans in the stands. https://t.co/TkbGW99Xqg
— LindseyThiry (@LindseyThiry) April 15, 2020
April 15, 2020 at 9:42 am #113667znModeratorNFL has the fortune of the luxury of time, watching what happens with other leagues/testing/treatment. New column @SInow:https://t.co/qyCQPhiBkn
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) April 15, 2020
April 15, 2020 at 9:48 am #113668znModeratorJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Vikings QB Kirk Cousins calls playing without fans a potential ‘breath of fresh air’April 15, 2020 at 1:33 pm #113681znModeratorThe LA Times is reporting that Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti told high-level staff from several departments that big gatherings, such as sports and concerts, might not be approved until 2021. https://t.co/S5FyIHBTre
— LindseyThiry (@LindseyThiry) April 15, 2020
April 16, 2020 at 6:48 am #113715nittany ramModeratorIt would be surreal to watch an NFL game without fans in the stadium. It would be a real disadvantage to teams that seem to rely on crowd noise like the Seahawks and Saints, so I’m all for it.
April 16, 2020 at 11:01 pm #113749znModeratorOpinion: NFL faces multiple issues (including maybe liability) as it decides how to open season https://t.co/JbbxUvHjeR
— Joe Curley (@vcsjoecurley) April 17, 2020
April 17, 2020 at 8:19 pm #113767znModeratorProfessional Baseball in Taiwan Has Begun in Empty Stadiums
Ariel Miranda threw the first pitch in the first professional baseball game that mattered this year.
He also gave up the first home run — a fastball caught too much of the plate in the second inning — but settled down after the mistake. The former Seattle Mariners left-hander, starting for the Chinese Professional Baseball League’s Chinatrust Brothers in Taiwan, allowed just the one run across five innings Sunday and said he felt great on the mound.
It was everything around him that was wonky.
His team was playing a home game at Taichung Intercontinental Baseball Stadium, but it didn’t seem much like an opening day. The ballpark was empty because the CPBL, the first major professional baseball league in the world to begin its 2020 season, is staging games without fans for the foreseeable future.
“The adrenaline is different,” Miranda said in Spanish during a phone interview. “You feel alone.”
The CPBL is a five-team league in Taiwan, an island state off the coast of China with a population of nearly 24 million. Baseball is the top sport in Taiwan, which has produced more than a dozen Major League Baseball players.
Founded in 1989, the CPBL has faced game-fixing scandals that forced a franchise to fold in 1998 and the expulsion of another in 2008, but it is the only major professional baseball league up and running amid the worldwide COVID-19 pandemic.
Japan’s NPB and South Korea’s KBO are targeting starts in early May after delays. Major League Baseball, which suspended operations March 12, has discussed various scenarios for the 2020 season, including having all 30 teams play in the Phoenix area, but a plan has not been finalized.
Taiwan has been credited with administering one of the world’s best responses to the novel coronavirus. The Central Epidemic Command Center reported just 395 confirmed cases and six deaths since the virus surfaced in December. Authorities reported two new cases Wednesday after reporting none Tuesday. The United States reported 29,465 new cases Wednesday.
According to the Journal of the American Medical Association, the aggressive measures, which included setting up COVID-19 testing at nine facilities by Jan. 24 and swift quarantines, were instrumental in allowing Taiwan to avoid strict lockdown measures. Many schools, restaurants and offices were kept open. Hope for a baseball season, as a result, was kept afloat.
The CPBL regular season was slated to start March 11. It was initially delayed to March 28, then rescheduled for April 11. Rain pushed opening day back another day. The all-star game was canceled, but the league hopes to hold 240 total games through mid-October. Fans are at least temporarily barred, but one club, the Rakuten Monkeys, has placed robots in the stands to cheer them on at home. The league is eyeing allowing 150 fans per game in two months.
“It’s very strange,” Miranda said. “But that was the step taken and you have to make the adjustments and work with it.”
Miranda, 31, is familiar with adapting. He defected from Cuba in 2014 to establish residency in Haiti and signed with the Baltimore Orioles out of the Dominican Republic a year later. He made one appearance with the Orioles and 43 with the Mariners over three years before pitching in Japan the past two seasons.
He signed a one-year, $600,000 contract, plus incentives, with the Chinatrust Brothers in January. A month later, on Valentine’s Day, he arrived — scared — in Taiwan. He left his wife and twin 8-year-old sons in Miami when life was normal in Miami. He doesn’t know when he will see them again.
“I can’t until this is over,” Miranda said, “so I can maybe bring my family,”
He didn’t know what to expect living in Taichung, a city of nearly 3 million people. He felt better after a conversation with the Brothers’ Spanish-language interpreter. He was told if a player in the league tested positive, the season would be suspended indefinitely and potentially canceled. He is confident, though not certain, he would get paid in full regardless.
Miranda said he hasn’t been tested for the coronavirus and doesn’t know anyone who has been tested since he arrived in Taiwan. But he said stringent precautions are taken around the clock.
Teams are not allowed to stay in hotels on road trips; they make same-day trips for games away from home. Miranda said the longest trip is a three-hour bus ride each way.
Almost every night before he falls asleep, a team trainer knocks on his door to take his temperature. It happened last Saturday. The next morning, Miranda woke up, got dressed and took the elevator to the lobby of his Taichung apartment building, where every member of the Brothers is housed. When he reached the lobby, his temperature was taken again and sanitizer was squeezed into his hands before he could hop on the bus.
Upon arrival, entry to the stadium required another temperature check at the gate and more sanitizer.
“They always do it. Every day,” Miranda said. “That’s something we have gotten used to.”
Miranda, No. 28 in a bright yellow Chinatrust uniform, took the mound with the sun poking out. Rows of empty blue seats served as his backdrop. Four cheerleaders danced on top of the Brothers’ dugout without an audience. Cameramen wore masks.
In the second inning, outfielder K.W. Cheng led off with a solo home run to left field, giving the Uni-President Lions the lead. Two innings later, Brothers outfielder Tzu Hsien Chan, his walk-up song playing throughout his at-bat, crushed a solo shot off American left-hander Ryan Feierabend to even the score.
The hyped voice of the public address announcer echoed as Chan rounded the bases. Cheers from the Brothers dugout could be heard clearly throughout the park. There was baseball to celebrate, even if fans weren’t there to see it.
May 4, 2020 at 1:02 pm #114596znModeratorJane McManus@janesports
We can have sports back when we have invested in public health, when we test, trace and isolate cases. Saying, “one day it’s like a miracle it will disappear” means we get to watch live sports broadcast from Taiwan. Congratulations, America.May 4, 2020 at 1:03 pm #114597znModeratorThe NFL has called off its annual games in London and Mexico City this year amid the coronavirus pandemic. https://t.co/kB4gpJGy0U
— NFL on ESPN (@ESPNNFL) May 4, 2020
May 4, 2020 at 11:14 pm #114604znModeratorHow NFL is set, if needed, to shake up its schedule
The league has told media partners to expect the schedule to be released as early as May 7.
A Super Bowl that kicks off on Feb. 28.
A regular season that starts as late as Thursday, Oct. 15.
An NFL season with no bye weeks or Pro Bowl.
These are all contingencies that the NFL has considered as the league moves forward with its plans to hold a full regular season.
The league’s executives are trying to put themselves in the best position to fit in a full season, or at least a nearly full season, even if there are delays.
NFL schedule-makers are in the process of designing a 2020 season that has several different wrinkles. When the schedule is released next month, it will look like a standard 16-game, 17-week slate, but it will be designed to allow for several steps that could become necessary depending on the state of the pandemic. (The 17-game regular season agreed to in the new CBA goes into effect with the 2021 season.)
In one version, the start of the season could be delayed by up to five weeks with relatively few adjustments. Such a scenario would have Super Bowl LV, currently set for Feb. 7, 2021 in Tampa, pushed back by three weeks. If that happens, it could compete with other big events that typically try to avoid Super Bowl Sunday.
Two weeks of early-season games could be shifted wholesale to the end of the season. A third week would feature teams only playing opponents with the same bye week, so that week could be cut and byes eliminated leaguewide.
These contingency-laden plans also include cutting the weekend between the conference championships and the Super Bowl, where the Pro Bowl is typically played, to allow another week to be lost to delays. Under such a plan, the Pro Bowl would not be played.
Specific conversations have occurred with Tampa hosts about delaying the Super Bowl by one week to Feb. 14, but a source said the last two weeks of February are in play as well.
Sources caution that none of the plans are final, and nothing has been ruled out. All parties are aware that the season is still subject to major variables around the spread of the coronavirus by late summer, local regulations and medical progress against the disease.
But the NFL’s chief scheduler, Howard Katz, and the NFL’s broadcasters are working with two overriding goals: Do what they can to preserve the possibility of playing a full 16-game slate, and also keep the Super Bowl in February.
By setting up the schedule now with those potential changes in mind, such as eliminating the Pro Bowl and getting assurances that the Super Bowl can be moved, the league could start as late as Oct. 15 — what would typically be Week 6 — and play a 16-game season that ends in February.
Tampa Bay Sports Commission Executive Director Rob Higgins declined to comment on the possibility of a Super Bowl shift. “We’ve been in constant communication with the NFL and we’re totally focused on Feb. 7, 2021,” he said.
The NFL has told network executives to expect the schedule to be released as early as May 7 — two days before the May 9 date that the NFL originally had circled.
Even though Brian Rolapp, NFL executive vice president of media, said on March 30 that the league would announce a schedule by May 9, internal debate is still roiling about whether the league should even announce anything.
Sales staffs at teams, leagues and broadcasters are agitating for a tangible schedule, desperate for any offering to give ticket buyers, sponsors and advertisers. Some high-level strategists, though, are questioning the wisdom of releasing a schedule with so many unknowns.
They worry that a schedule release will be interpreted as a challenge to powerful politicians, including California Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has been pessimistic about resuming major sporting activities this year.
For those reasons, insiders said, the schedule will be released with an emphasis on the contingencies. NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said on April 17, “We continue to plan for the season as scheduled, including the Super Bowl, and will be prepared to adjust as necessary.”
Commissioner Roger Goodell later addressed the issue on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”.
“One thing I’ve learned about what we are going through as a country is you can’t tell a week from now much less three months from now,” Goodell said. “So, our job is to be ready. We will obviously be ready to make alternatives.”
May 5, 2020 at 12:34 am #114605InvaderRamModeratorno preseason. shorten the regular season. shorten the playoffs.
that’s what they should do.
May 5, 2020 at 11:01 am #114610wvParticipantJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Vikings QB Kirk Cousins calls playing without fans a potential ‘breath of fresh air’===================
LoL
May 5, 2020 at 11:03 am #114611wvParticipantIt would be surreal to watch an NFL game without fans in the stadium. It would be a real disadvantage to teams that seem to rely on crowd noise like the Seahawks and Saints, so I’m all for it.
===============
And it would be an advantage to teams like the Rams who have…ya know…LA fans.
w
vMay 5, 2020 at 12:36 pm #114616Billy_TParticipantCan they just do what they should have done in the last Labor Agreement?
Shorten the regular season to 14 games, eliminate the pre-season entirely, keep the old playoff format, and re-do the divisions along geographical lines?
Oh, and then keep that forevah?
May 5, 2020 at 12:40 pm #114617Billy_TParticipantIt would be surreal to watch an NFL game without fans in the stadium. It would be a real disadvantage to teams that seem to rely on crowd noise like the Seahawks and Saints, so I’m all for it.
===============
And it would be an advantage to teams like the Rams who have…ya know…LA fans.
w
vAgree with both of youze. Last year was my first season in a long time without the NFL Ticket, so I didn’t watch that many “live” broadcasts. Had NFL Pass, but am not sure how closely it aligns with live sound, etc. But it still seemed, as usual, that Rams Home Games were basically a split when it came to fan support. And, at times, it sounded like the Rams were the Away Team.
Since the age of nine, I’ve been rooting for them almost entirely from my house. If only they could factor us “nomads” into the sound system at the stadium!!
May 6, 2020 at 8:19 pm #114657znModeratorNFL Lays Out Plan For Reopening Facilities https://t.co/TjB522PfAj pic.twitter.com/Wl0FBxlg3w
— Pro Football Rumors (@pfrumors) May 7, 2020
May 8, 2020 at 9:15 pm #114729znModeratorSources: Adam Silver preps players for possibility of no fans through next season https://t.co/06STM5ABc9
— trey wingo (@wingoz) May 9, 2020
May 9, 2020 at 1:34 pm #114747znModeratorThoughts of opening new SoFi Stadium minus fans brings an empty feeling https://t.co/nzVK4MNyFA
— Gary Klein (@LATimesklein) May 9, 2020
May 11, 2020 at 12:32 am #114787znModeratorFootball in the Fall? Dr. Fauci: ‘The Virus Will Make Decision For Us’
Peter King
Toward the end of a 20-minute telephone interview Saturday evening with America’s COVID-19 expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, I asked a question about testing, and about NFL teams playing football this fall.
“Suppose,” I asked, “you test a team of 53 players on a Saturday night and four are positive. Is there a level at which—”
Fauci, the director of the National Institutes for Health since 1984, interrupted. “You got a problem there,” he said. “You know why? Because it is likely that if four of them are positive and they’ve been hanging around together, that the other ones that are negative are really positive. So I mean, if you have one outlier [only one player testing positive], I think you might get away. But once you wind up having a situation where it looks like it’s spread within a team, you got a real problem. You gotta shut it down.”
Shut it down. Quarantine the team, he means. For 14 days. The next two games for that team? Cancelled or postponed. That could be life in the NFL in 2020.
“Also,” I said, “I take it that teams have to be willing to say, If Patrick Mahomes tests positive on a Saturday night, he’s got to disappear for two weeks.”
“Absolutely, absolutely,” Fauci said. “It would be malpractice in medicine to put him on the field, absolutely.”
Talking to Fauci was enlightening, if only to reinforce what most people in America who care to be informed about this coronavirus are thinking right now: We don’t know the future. Anthony Fauci doesn’t know the future either. Our fate, and certainly the NFL’s fate in 2020, depends on so many things we can’t know now—how long this spread will last, how severe the second wave of it will be later this year or early in 2021, whether we can go into a football season, college or pro, with any certainty it will play out till its conclusion, whether fans will attend no games or all of them this season. I wanted Fauci to tell me, and tell the country, whether we’ll be able to play out the 256-game regular season the NFL just announced, with a February Super Bowl, and some bit of normalcy back in this abnormal world.
But Dr. Fauci couldn’t say, because no one can.
“The virus,” he said, “will make the decision for us.”
The Lead: Dr. Fauci
Fauci on the NFL trumps all today (no pun intended), but please take time to read a dozen Don Shula stories from storytellers close to him after the death of the NFL’s winningest coach last week. Also in the column: The schedule, the big favor the NFL did for ESPN, the virtual learning, the Dolphins quirks, the making of a new national team (hint: the coach wears Kangols), the new world of Greg Olsen . . . lots to read today.
This interview with Fauci, which was off and on and off and finally on late in the day Saturday, was done with the idea that I’d get a good picture of what the NFL faces in the coming months. I think I did—but that doesn’t mean it’s a clear picture.
“How can I help you?” Fauci began when we connected.
Dr. Anthony Fauci. (NBC Sports Graphic / Getty Images)
The question we all have, I believe, is whether it makes sense to aim for negative-testing pro football players to compete in empty stadiums starting in September. Fauci suggested stadiums might not have to be empty all season.“I think it’s feasible that negative testing players could play to an empty stadium,” Fauci said. “Is it guaranteed? No way . . . There will be virus out there and you will know your players are negative at the time they step onto the field. You’re not endangering . . . Also, if the virus is so low that even in the general community the risk is low, then I could see filling a third of the stadium or half the stadium so people could be six feet apart. I mean, that’s something that is again feasible depending on the level of infection. I keep getting back to that: It’s going to depend. Like, right now, if you fast forward, and it is now September. The season starts. I say you can’t have a season—it’s impossible. There’s too much infection out there. It doesn’t matter what you do. But I would hope that by the time you get to September it’s not gonna be the way it is right now.”
It’s clear he thinks the NFL has time on its side. Not just because he sees the virus waning by Labor Day, certainly, but because of other factors that are calendar-friendly. One: The availability of tests should make massive testing by August and September easier. Two: We should be far more prepared to handle the disease as it loosens its grip on society, even with the prospect of a second wave hitting later in the fall. Three: Increased Antogen testing might increase the prospect that a significant segment of society—including, presumably, football players—could be made immune to the virus by plasma donations.
The biggest factor on the NFL’s side might be this: We’re going to be smarter about everything related to the disease in three months, when teams hope to gather for some sort of team training. Think of where we were two months ago today. On March 11, we were still dining out, still shaking hands, still driving to and from work. Three months from now, on Aug. 11, we really don’t know where we’ll be, because three months is an eternity in the race to conquer this virus.
Take testing, for example. I said to Dr. Fauci that if the 32 NFL teams tested players, coach and vital personnel twice a week, that would probably consume about 200,000 COVID-19 tests for the season. I asked Dr. Fauci if that might be reasonable by mid- to late-August, or a bit piggish?
“That’s a great question,” he said. “Right now, it would be overwhelmingly piggish. But by the end of August, we should have in place Antigen testings . . . You could test millions of people, millions of people. But again, we have to make sure that the companies that are doing these tests actually produce them. Which given the country that we have, such a rich country, I would be very surprised if we can’t do that.”
Football’s a different sport than many trying to figure a route back to play. With so much physical contact, I wondered, could the virus be transmissible more in this game than others, with players sweating on each other and gripping and tackling each other?
“Sweat does not do it,” Fauci said. “This is a respiratory virus, so it’s going to be spread by shedding virus. The problem with virus shedding is that if I have it in my nasal pharynx, and it sheds and I wipe my hand against my nose—now it’s on my hand. You see, then I touch my chest or my thigh, then it’s on my chest or my thigh for at least a few hours. Sweat as such won’t transmit it. But if people are in such close contact as football players are on every single play, then that’s the perfect set up for spreading. I would think that if there is an infected football player on the field—a middle linebacker, a tackle, whoever it is it—as soon as they hit the next guy, the chances are that they will be shedding virus all over that person.
“If you really want to be in a situation where you want to be absolutely certain, you’d test all the players before the game. And you say, Those who are infected: Sorry, you’re sidelined. Those who are free: Get in there and play.”
And test more than once a week, if you can.
“If I test today, and I’m negative, you don’t know if I got exposed tomorrow . . . There’s no guarantee that you’re going to get exposed and be positive the next day. To give you an example, you’re probably reading in the newspapers that there’s an infection in the White House. I was exposed to that person. So I immediately got tested. I am negative. So, I’m negative yesterday. I don’t know if I’m going to be negative Monday. Understand? It’s almost an impossible situation. To be 100 percent sure, you’ve got to test every day. But that’s not practical and that’s never going to happen. But you can diminish dramatically by testing everybody Saturday night, Sunday morning, and say OK, only negative players play.”
Whether fans will be allowed at NFL games in 2020 remains to be seen. (Getty Images)
Fauci said two weeks ago that it’s “inevitable” the virus will return in the fall, and it could make “for a bad fall and a bad winter.” That begs the natural question about how it could affect whether the NFL would be able to get in a full season.“The answer is not going to be black and white,” Fauci said. “When I said there’s no doubt the virus is going to return, that is in response to some who have said ‘Oh, it’s just going to disappear.’ So, unlike the virus SARS, back in 2002, when we had an outbreak of about 8,000 people and close to 800 deaths, and then the virus just essentially petered out by good public health measures by the simple reason that it wasn’t efficiently or effectively transmitted from one person to another. In other words, it was not an efficient spreader. So that when you tamp down on it with public health measures, it actually got to the point where it disappeared.
“That’s not the case with this novel coronavirus. It is so transmissible, and it is so widespread throughout the world, that even if our infections get well controlled and go down dramatically during the summer, there is virtually no chance it will be eradicated. Which means there will be infections in the Southern Hemisphere, in South Africa, in Argentina, places like that. And with the travel, the global travel, every single day, of literally hundreds of thousands of people coming into the United States every day from all over, there’s no chance we’re going to be virus-free.”
No chance. Which leaves NFL teams under tremendous pressure to create pristine environments in places that, traditionally, are hardly pristine.
“As for the football season and what the fall is going to be: It will be entirely dependent on the effectiveness with which we as a society respond to the inevitable outbreak that will occur. So what are the options? If we let it just go, and we don’t have a good response, you can have an outbreak somewhat similar. Probably not as bad, because we got hit really with a 1-2 punch, particularly in New York City and New Orleans and Chicago. But we can expect an outbreak that would be serious. That’s if we do nothing. So it’s inconceivable that we would do nothing. What we’re saying is what is going to be the effectiveness of our response? . . .
“Now, even if the virus goes down dramatically in June and July and August, as the virus starts returning in the fall, it would be in my mind, shame on us if we don’t have in place all of the mechanisms to prevent it from blowing up again. In other words, enough testing to test everybody that needs to be tested. Enough testing so that when someone gets infected, you could immediately do contact tracing and isolation to prevent the infection from going to a couple of infections to hundreds of infections. That’s how you control an outbreak.
“So, practically speaking, the success or failure, the ability or not, to actually have a football season is going to depend on just on what I said . . . but what I’m really saying is it’s unpredictable depending upon how we respond in the fall.”
I asked this about working with President Trump, who has been pretty clear that he wants sports, and normalcy, to return to the country: How much does that have to whether football will be played this fall?
“No, well, you know,” he said, a bit cautiously, “I could only give my medical advice. If there’s infection out there, and I say I think that we should lock down or not, I’m just an opinion among many. Whether people listen to my public health opinion or override it, that’s out of my hands.”
Fauci said the NFL hasn’t reached out to talk to him. But if Roger Goodell or chief medical officer Allen Sills did, Fauci said he’d say much of what he said here. And this, about sports in the United States this fall and winter: “It is uncertain. You’ll have to play it by ear according to the level of infection in the community.”
May 11, 2020 at 12:47 pm #114804znModeratorFootball in the Fall? Dr. Fauci: ‘The Virus Will Make Decision For Us’
Peter King
.@peter_king got an exclusive interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci to talk about COVID-19's impact on the upcoming NFL season.
What he learned about the virus ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/WUlyiJIxFW
— NBC Sports (@NBCSports) May 11, 2020
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.