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September 18, 2014 at 12:21 pm #7930znModerator
Gathering scattered threads and trying to get more going too.
September 18, 2014 at 12:21 pm #7805rflParticipantForced myself to re-watch the game, including the lousy defense. It really was bad.
By the way, whoever claimed that we were good on 1DN through the game was watching a different game from the one I saw. (I think it was a quoted post from elsewhere.) We REPEATEDLY gave up 5+ yard runs or easy pass completions on 1 down! I saw very few 2 and more than 7.
Anyway, I am very poor analyzing defenses. I have a hard time diagnosing problems, since schemes bewilder me and it’s often very hard to evaluate a guy on a play without knowing his assignment.
But one thing seems clear. Lanes get opened on us, but then no one closes the door. I saw plays where, say, a DL would be pursuing upfield when it surely seemed he would have a good shot at closing off the RB if he pursued along the LOS.
Now, I hesitate to suggest this. But I am beginning to wonder if the problem isn’t our LBs. Especially JL.
‘Tree doesn’t always make the play. Well, he’s young and he is a play maker. He should be better, but has a history of tightening up at least a lot of the time.
JL? Man, he looks bad a lot. Wanders around. Gets blocked. Pursues late and without any speed.Ineffectually chases after RBs after they have roared past him and fails to get in on the DBs’ tackle.
I just have to ask, would our run D be better with a MLB who could take on blocks and stuff running lanes?
I mean, the answer has to be yes, right?
We all know that they value JL as a signal caller and so forth. But he’s a damn soft MLB. We pay a price for that I think.
And you know Wells is the same on the OL. He’s supposed to be the signal caller with vet experience. But he’s damn soft and a big percentage of our blown plays come through him.
A good team is strong up the middle, as they say. Well, with JL and Wells, we are anything but.
By virtue of the absurd ...
September 18, 2014 at 12:21 pm #7784PA RamParticipantI don’t mean to become the board’s Alec Ogletree basher but just watching that McCown run for the T.D.—Ogletree puts very little effort into stopping him and is already pulling up by the time McCown hits the three yard line. This team needs more out of him.
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September 18, 2014 at 12:26 pm #7786PA RamParticipantThis is what most scouting reports said about Ogletree and it kind of shows:
Despite posting some gaudy tackling statistics (111 tackles in 10 games), defending the run is currently the weakest part of Ogletree’s game. He often lets his arms hang uselessly by his side, turning his shoulders and giving blockers free shots at his chest. He is not comfortable scraping in pursuit or working through trash, often losing ground to run around blocks and avoid contact.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1609892-alec-ogletree-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-georgia-lb
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September 18, 2014 at 6:19 pm #7807wvParticipantI got nuthin. I dunno how to analyze such
things. I ‘suspect’ based on what i’ve watched
that its not just one player or unit. Sometimes
it seems like its the DTs sometimes the LBs,
sometimes Hayes or C.Long…Its never Quinn,
though. 🙂w
vSeptember 18, 2014 at 6:35 pm #7809WinnbradParticipantTo me, and this is just my opinion, it looks like our D is just tearing into the O’s backfield. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn’t.
It looks like our D overruns plays. I don’t really know how to explain that, but “gap responsibility” comes to mind. Maybe a little more “read and react” style would be applicable, instead of the “damn the torpedoes” style we’re currently using.
I don’t know. Our D just looks “too fast” upfield.
September 19, 2014 at 2:04 am #7859znModeratorfrom off the net
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I decided to go back and re-watch every carry from Bucs RBs last week to see if I could get to the root of the issue. Not to sound too optimistic, but looking back I think the majority of the mistakes we made are CORRECTABLE.
From re-watching the tape it is clear to me that the LBs are at fault on the MAJORITY of the big runs. DL usually puts them in good position to make plays.
I charted 3 kinds of significant yardage I charted out of the 29 carries for 150:
4 explosive runs (18, 18, 24, 31) for 91 yards
4 runs for no gain
7 runs for loss (-1, -1, -1, -2, -2, -2, -3)Here’s what I saw in the significant runs:
-On 3 of 4 of the explosive runs, JL stays engaged too long w/FB &/or C. On the other run(18 yds), JL is aligned to the right side of the OL over the TE in what the D thought would be a passing down (2nd & 10). JL was unable to reach Rainey until after he shot through the hole.
-Tree got blocked out of 2 of the explosive runs by OL, however taking LT Collins in one of those is a tall task. The other run he was involved in (24 yds), he whiffed at the LOS.
-Dunbar was involved in 2 of the 4 explosive runs. He was washed out of the 24 yd run and didn’t have much of a chance from the backside on the 18 yard run.All in all I think JL played the largest part in the explosive runs out of the LBs, with Tree not far behind, and Dunbar playing fairly well (which is what you’d expect) after a so-so week 1.
A few of my standout plays from the runs for 0 and TFL:
-2nd & 1: Dunbar & Jenks penetrate & miss Rainey in backfield, but slow his momentum allowing Tree and Gaines to tackle him for no gain forcing 3rd and 1.
-1st & 10: Brockers & Quinn hold the LOS on dive. Gaines and JL fill gaps nicely to tackle Rainey for -2.
-1st & 10: Rainey runs left off of the offset I. Hayes makes a great play chasing him down the LOS from the backside for -1.
-1st & 10: Westbrooks gets quick penetration at LE forcing M. James to cut inside where JL fills gap nicely tacking him for no gain.
-1st & 10: 5 down lineman w/Tree lined up right of Quinn. LBs blitz. JL takes on FB, but Dunbar is unblocked making a nice hit on Rainey for -1.
-3rd & 2: Out of shotgun McCown pitches left to Rainey. Bucs can’t seal the edge & Quinn tackles Rainey for -2 with some late help from McDonald. I can’t believe VJax tried blocking Quinn!!! Lol
-1st & 10: Mankins doesn’t have a prayer vs Donald as he EXPLODES off the snap, swimming past him as Rainey runs left out of the offset I. Donald pounds Rainey for -3. Sims had good penetration & Tree came hard backside as well.Let me just say that Donald was INSANE when he got PT, making the older but savvy vet Mankins look silly on several occasions. He officially had 2 TFLs, but also played a role in forcing another run for no gain.
I think if we can just clean up some of our miscues from last week that we can have a good week (70-110 yds) vs Murray. We held well against AP in week 1, even if we did have TMac coming down frequently. Its just a matter of becoming more CONSISTENT and MINIMIZING those explosive runs. We have so much talent in this front 7 that ANY game could be our breakout game vs the run. I think we can do it and our guys will be up for the task!
September 19, 2014 at 3:09 am #7860MackeyserModerator11 of 29 runs for zero or negative yardage.
This run defense isn’t terrible. It has breakdowns.
4 runs for 91 yards.
14 of 29 for 59 yards.
Now, you can’t just IGNORE the bad runs. But… out of 29 run plays, the Rams had 4 breakdowns. Without those breakdowns, they went 25 runs for 59 yards which would have been good for 2.36 YPC. Which is outstanding. And that’s how the run game generally played out.
So, the issue isn’t, can the Rams play run defense… they DO and DID play run defense. The issue is can they play it CONSISTENTLY. Because DeMarco Murray and that Cowboy OL will really make it hard to ignore the bad runs if the LBs don’t fill those gaps. Allow them 4 bad runs and Murray will have another 200 yard day.
Here’s hoping that the Rams are prepared to stop the Run… and subsequently don’t get burned by play action…
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September 19, 2014 at 7:46 am #7866wvParticipant.
This run defense isn’t terrible. It has breakdowns.
Thats exactly how i look at it. Well said.
Thats why I’ve resisted some of RFL’s language.
And thats why I’m optimistic about the runDefense.Still, who knows. Maybe they will fix it,
maybe not. As of week two, it aint fixed.w
vSeptember 19, 2014 at 8:50 am #7880znModeratorI have a minor conspiracy theory. I keep reading that Langford and Brockers lost weight to offer more pass rush. Also, I think they’re playing the LBs differently this year. For example, Ogletree’s role and the techniques he’s expected to use differ from last year. If so, then, Wms wanted things a certain way. Which kind of goes against his thing where he says he wants to know what the players do instead of imposing something on them.
September 19, 2014 at 11:15 am #7886WinnbradParticipant11 of 29 runs for zero or negative yardage.
This run defense isn’t terrible. It has breakdowns.
4 runs for 91 yards.
14 of 29 for 59 yards.
Yep. I wonder if William’s D in New Orleans had that same problem for awhile?
The Rams stuff a lot of running plays, then get gashed for a big gain. If that happens with Murray, we’re boned…
September 19, 2014 at 11:24 am #7887znModeratorMackeyser wrote:
11 of 29 runs for zero or negative yardage.
This run defense isn’t terrible. It has breakdowns.
4 runs for 91 yards.
14 of 29 for 59 yards.
Yep. I wonder if William’s D in New Orleans had that same problem for awhile?
The Rams stuff a lot of running plays, then get gashed for a big gain. If that happens with Murray, we’re boned…
New Orleans is not a good example because they always had personnel issues. They ended 2009 ranked 25th, and 21st against the run.
The place to look is Washington. In 2003, before Williams, they were 25th, and 24th against the run. In 2004, his first year, they were 3rd, and 2nd against the run. In their 1st 4 games they defensed the run very nicely.
There’s really no pattern.
I really think that in spite of saying it’s important to see what guys can do and not change them, he tried to change how the entire front 7 plays.
Either they will catch on, or he screwed up.
September 19, 2014 at 1:28 pm #7893wvParticipantI really think… he tried to change how the entire front 7 plays.
Either they will catch on, or he screwed up.
I tend to agree.
“Either they will catch on,
or he screwed up.”The only other possibility
i see, is maybe some guys
are playing hurt.w
vSeptember 19, 2014 at 4:10 pm #7910RamBillParticipantRams searching for answers against run
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/11891/rams-searching-for-answers-against-the-run
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Despite the lingering stench from the St. Louis Rams’ Week 3 loss to the Dallas Cowboys last year, the team’s run defense turned out to be much better than it showed after running back DeMarco Murray ran all over them.
By the end of the season, the Rams were ninth in the NFL in average rushing yards allowed per game (102.8) and third in the league in yards allowed per attempt (3.7).
With all 11 defensive starters returning this year and coordinator Gregg Williams taking over, that group figured only to improve against the run. Through two weeks, that hasn’t been the case.
It’s a small sample size, of course, but in games against Minnesota and Tampa Bay, the Rams have allowed 171 yards per game on the ground, which ranks 30th in the NFL. They’re also coughing up 5.5 yards per carry, which also ranks 30th.
The reasons for the early regression are many, but the defense to this point has looked more like a group of individuals out to do it all more than handling individual responsibilities for the greater good.
“It’s just a lot of guys trying to make plays,” Dunbar said. “We talked about it this past week. It wasn’t a scheme thing, it was just everybody taking their turn… we’re not fitting it right. Somebody took their turn here and there.”
In other words, there have been many examples of players not playing sound assignment football and freelancing from play to play. As Dunbar points out, there isn’t any single culprit and, in fact, the film shows that almost everyone on the defense has been guilty at some point.
Perhaps most surprising, the young secondary has actually been the most consistent group from down to down.
“I think really the front seven just has to play better,” linebacker James Laurinaitis said. “There’s no excuses. Missed tackles are no excuse. When we have the opportunity to go and trigger and make plays, we’ve got to make those plays. I like the way that the front seven has been humbled this week.”
Missed run fits and blown assignments aren’t the only issues. Through two weeks, Pro Football Focus counted 27 missed tackles for the Rams. They had 18 in the opener against Minnesota, meaning they improved some last week against the Bucs, but not enough to keep little-known back Bobby Rainey from gaining 144 yards on 22 carries.
Beyond the tackling, the Rams also found themselves put in some odd positions. Tampa Bay had great success running the ball on second down, many times on second-and-long plays when Williams would dial up a blitz or Rams defenders would be anticipating a pass and get a run instead. With the line and linebackers a bit frustrated by only making one sack through two weeks, that means anything resembling a passing down has left the front seven a bit undisciplined.
“I think there’s a fine line sometimes when you’re in certain coverages where you have to say, ‘OK, am I going to play for the run here or am I going to play for the pass here?’” Laurinaitis said. “If I play for the run, I’m not leveraging the pass. If I play for the pass, I’m not leveraging the run.”
Any improvements or fixes the Rams have attempted this week will be put to their biggest test. After finishing 29th in rush attempts last year, Dallas has the look of an NFC West team with its physical and committed approach to running the ball.
The Cowboys have the fourth-most rushing attempts in the league heading into Sunday and are second in the league in rushing yards per game. Murray is off to his career-best start and has rushed for 428 yards on 51 carries in two previous meetings with the Rams.
For the Rams to have any chance at beating Dallas, they’re going to have to sell out to stop the run first and sort everything else out afterward. Until it gets solved, that has to be the plan.
“We have just got to get in sync with it, and I’m confident we will,” Laurinaitis said. “But that stuff definitely deserves to be talked about until we put the fire out. You can’t sit there, and if you told me before the year we’d have 170 yards averaged against us, I’d be like, ‘Get out of here.’ But that’s where we are right now. I think guys have really swallowed their pride and like, ‘Hey, we need to work at this; let’s go out and work at it.’ No excuses.”
September 19, 2014 at 4:44 pm #7916wvParticipant“It’s just a lot of guys trying to make plays,” Dunbar said.
“We talked about it this past week. It wasn’t a scheme thing,
it was just everybody taking their turn… we’re not fitting it right.
Somebody took their turn here and there.”
In other words, there have been many examples of players not playing sound assignment football and freelancing from play to play….”
———————-Well, Dunbar loves Greg W, so he would never say
its the scheme. I dunno what it is.w
vSeptember 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm #7922wvParticipant================================
Laram (on GW’s aggressive scheme)Williams aggression with blitzes.
I’m starting to put that info together and when he’s blitzing and shooting a gap, the offense is running mis-direction or counters right through the vacated area.
Shooting gaps and either getting sealed or running past the play, and the lb’s are missing tackles behind them.
That’s why I say that Donald should start alongside Brockers. Let Brockers tie up blockers and Donald get’s one on one.
He’s the pure 3-tech.
=====================Laram – Williams Defenses against the Run
Williams defenses against the run.
1997 – 27th
1998 – 21st
1999 – 22nd
2000 – 29th
2001 – 26th
2002 – 4th
2003 – 25th
2004 – 31st
2005 – 20th
2006 – 6th
2007 – 29th
2008 – 19th
2009 – 12th
2010 – 17th
2011 – 21st
=====================September 19, 2014 at 5:51 pm #7924PA RamParticipantSo Greg Williams is pretty much a passing defense co-ordinator. Not so much run.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
September 19, 2014 at 5:56 pm #7928znModeratorSo Greg Williams is pretty much a passing defense co-ordinator. Not so much run.
His defenses have been good against the run before.
And this issue (running right at the vacated areas on the blitz, which btw some of us noticed during the game) happened against Tampa.
That’s not enough to typify his whole defensive approach going back years.
September 19, 2014 at 5:58 pm #7929znModerator“It’s just a lot of guys trying to make plays,” Dunbar said.
“We talked about it this past week. It wasn’t a scheme thing,
it was just everybody taking their turn… we’re not fitting it right.
Somebody took their turn here and there.”
In other words, there have been many examples of players not playing sound assignment football and freelancing from play to play….”
———————-Well, Dunbar loves Greg W, so he would never say
its the scheme. I dunno what it is.w
vIf it were the scheme, it would never have worked anywhere else.
It has worked though.
September 20, 2014 at 12:48 pm #8008MaddyParticipantMy fear before preseason was that the blitz-heavy, risk taking style of defense would nicely take advantage of a strong front line, but it would pay the price when the young, unproven backfield was exposed. I did not think shortcomings would look the way they do, struggling to stop the run.
I feel like they can and will make adjustments, mostly because I’ve seen them adjust very well before. But this is a tough opponent to face in the midst of making adjustments, because they run and throw well.
I’d like to see a breakthrough on defense, one that makes me say to myself “OK, this is what we were waiting to see. This is the kind of defense they should be playing.” I’m talking three-and-outs, hard, sure tackling, turnovers, and frustrated opponents. I thought we’d be there already.
October 29, 2014 at 5:06 pm #10776HighPlainsDrifterParticipantI believe that Gregg Williams bears the lion’s share of the blame for the condition of this defense. It was a young, promising defense last season, and expected to be among the league’s best this season. The cast is largely the same, minus Chris Long (but add a talented Aaron Donald), and another year of experience under their belt. Enter Gregg Williams and they can’t find their asses with a mirror. I think we need to stop labeling the draft picks as mistakes and apply that label to Williams. He was a horrible hire and has set this defense back to where it was two or three years ago. I think he is an egomaniac who constantly feels the need to demonstrate his genius and has over-complicated everything. He needs to go. He has his own good in mind and not the good of the team. The season is essentially over, so I see no reason not to fire him now. Bring in someone who is driven to put his players in a position to succeed, not to put himself in a position to succeed.
October 29, 2014 at 5:12 pm #10777znModeratorI believe that Gregg Williams bears the lion’s share of the blame for the condition of this defense. It was a young, promising defense last season, and expected to be among the league’s best this season. The cast is largely the same, minus Chris Long (but add a talented Aaron Donald), and another year of experience under their belt. Enter Gregg Williams and they can’t find their asses with a mirror. I think we need to stop labeling the draft picks as mistakes and apply that label to Williams. He was a horrible hire and has set this defense back to where it was two or three years ago. I think he is an egomaniac who constantly feels the need to demonstrate his genius and has over-complicated everything. He needs to go. He has his own good in mind and not the good of the team. The season is essentially over, so I see no reason not to fire him now. Bring in someone who is driven to put his players in a position to succeed, not to put himself in a position to succeed.
I don’t see it the same way.
Williams has put up good defenses every where he has been. Including the Saints, who were top 5 one year.
Meanwhile what I see is not a lack of talent OR a bad coach. I see a team struggling to adjust to a new set of techniques, a new system, and so on. To me it looks the same as when the offense struggled early with McD’s offense in 2011. But mixed in with that, young players are making game-killing mistakes, and then allowing themselves to get deflated by them. To me, if you eliminate all that–the mistakes + deflation–they’re actually not that bad and improving. Even with the injuries.
October 29, 2014 at 5:45 pm #10780wvParticipantI believe that Gregg Williams bears the lion’s share of the blame for the condition of this defense. It was a young, promising defense last season, and expected to be among the league’s best this season. The cast is largely the same, minus Chris Long (but add a talented Aaron Donald), and another year of experience under their belt. Enter Gregg Williams and they can’t find their asses with a mirror. I think we need to stop labeling the draft picks as mistakes and apply that label to Williams. He was a horrible hire and has set this defense back to where it was two or three years ago. I think he is an egomaniac who constantly feels the need to demonstrate his genius and has over-complicated everything. He needs to go. He has his own good in mind and not the good of the team. The season is essentially over, so I see no reason not to fire him now. Bring in someone who is driven to put his players in a position to succeed, not to put himself in a position to succeed.
Well…i feel ya.
But i think zn’s notion is worth considering.
They may still be adjusting to a new system
and they ‘may’ start ‘getting it’. The future
will unfold 🙂 We’ll see. Nine more games.Its the Rams so what will probably happen iz,
the defense will improve….as the offense
collapses.w
vOctober 29, 2014 at 5:48 pm #10782HighPlainsDrifterParticipantThat’s cool, zn. He coordinated New Orleans’ defense for three seasons. One season at No. 24, one season at No. 25, and one at No. 4. In the season at No. 4, the Saints played twelve games against teams in the bottom fourteen of the NFL in offense, including two against the NFL’s worst offensive team, Carolina, and one vs. No. 31 (Arizona) And they did well against those teams. They faced exactly one top ten offense (Dallas). And then puking all over themselves in the playoffs against an offensively challenged 49er team. What would you expect? Color me dubious. I’m not a Gregg Williams fan. I don’t think he has proven anything. If he has proven anything it’s that he has a lot to prove. The bar is set high when you have a reputation as a defensive guru, and he is tripping all over it.
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October 29, 2014 at 6:00 pm #10787wvParticipantThat’s cool, zn. He coordinated New Orleans’ defense for three seasons. One season at No. 24, one season at No. 25, and one at No. 4. In the season at No. 4, the Saints played twelve games against teams in the bottom fourteen of the NFL in offense, including two against the NFL’s worst offensive team, Carolina, and one vs. No. 31 (Arizona) And they did well against those teams. They faced exactly one top ten offense (Dallas). What would you expect? Color me dubious. I’m not a Gregg Williams fan. I don’t think he has proven anything. If he has proven anything it’s that he has a lot to prove. The bar is set high when you have a reputation as a defensive guru, and he is tripping all over it.
I dont like him much either,
but he was in charge of other
defenses besides the Saints.
So, if we are gonna look at history
i think we have to consider Buffalo
and Washington too.There ‘are’ people out there
who think the league has
“figured out” GW. I dunno.Personally, i have to wait
and see how he does in the second
half of the year.He’s flunked the first half.
w
vOctober 29, 2014 at 6:07 pm #10788HighPlainsDrifterParticipantThere ‘are’ people out there
who think the league has
“figured out” GW. I dunno.Mike Martz was a great offensive coordinator at one time, but his ego got in the way. When the league caught on to him, he refused to adapt. He thought his system was bullet proof, and his stubbornness got him tossed on the scrap heap. Hopefully he is reserving a spot for Williams right beside him.
October 29, 2014 at 6:55 pm #10793znModeratorI dont like him much either,
but he was in charge of other
defenses besides the Saints.
So, if we are gonna look at history
i think we have to consider Buffalo
and Washington too.There ‘are’ people out there
who think the league has
“figured out” GW. I dunno.Personally, i have to wait
and see how he does in the second
half of the year.He’s flunked the first half.
w
vHe didn’t have the personnel in New Orleans but still made it work best he could and one year was even top 5. I don’t count Buffalo because he wasn’t the coordinator. Either way, he has had top 10 defenses his whole career.
And, I don’t think anyone figured him out. So now the Rams lead the league in tackles for loss and they only lose because they make incredible game-turning mistakes, but their defense has been figured out? (?)
Unless injuries completely undermine them, they’re just going to get better on defense. What they need to just STOP is the boneheaded errors resulting in huge big plays. But that’s execution. It’s coaching if it’s the EXACT SAME errors game in and game out, but these guys just keep coming up with new ones.
Personally, when it comes to liking or not liking Wms, I think he did his time and gets another chance. People can disagree with that and I completely understand.
October 29, 2014 at 7:21 pm #10798wvParticipantwv wrote:
I dont like him much either,
but he was in charge of other
defenses besides the Saints.
So, if we are gonna look at history
i think we have to consider Buffalo
and Washington too.There ‘are’ people out there
who think the league has
“figured out” GW. I dunno.Personally, i have to wait
and see how he does in the second
half of the year.He’s flunked the first half.
w
vHe didn’t have the personnel in New Orleans but still made it work best he could and one year was even top 5. I don’t count Buffalo because he wasn’t the coordinator. Either way, he has had top 10 defenses his whole career.
And, I don’t think anyone figured him out. So now the Rams lead the league in tackles for loss and they only lose because they make incredible game-turning mistakes, but their defense has been figured out? (?)
Unless injuries completely undermine them, they’re just going to get better on defense. What they need to just STOP is the boneheaded errors resulting in huge big plays. But that’s execution. It’s coaching if it’s the EXACT SAME errors game in and game out, but these guys just keep coming up with new ones.
Personally, when it comes to liking or not liking Wms, I think he did his time and gets another chance. People can disagree with that and I completely understand.
As far as ‘figuring him out,’ ive read some comments
that his blitzes just arent working. The blitzers
aint disrupting anything.Now there could be a million other reasons for that
(if its trut) — but one reason could be,
the league has ‘figured out’ GW.
Your position is the league
has not figured him out.
Mine is, I dunno.w
vOctober 29, 2014 at 8:07 pm #10803znModeratorAs far as ‘figuring him out,’ ive read some comments
that his blitzes just arent working. The blitzers
aint disrupting anything.Yeah I have been bitching about that since game 1.
I always thought it was the blitzers. Just sending guys doesn’t work unless they know how to do it.
I think they have scaled the blitzes back.
But you know who CAN blitz? Barron.
October 30, 2014 at 2:17 am #10828znModeratorThat’s cool, zn. He coordinated New Orleans’ defense for three seasons. One season at No. 24, one season at No. 25, and one at No. 4. In the season at No. 4, the Saints played twelve games against teams in the bottom fourteen of the NFL in offense, including two against the NFL’s worst offensive team, Carolina, and one vs. No. 31 (Arizona) And they did well against those teams. They faced exactly one top ten offense (Dallas). And then puking all over themselves in the playoffs against an offensively challenged 49er team. What would you expect? Color me dubious. I’m not a Gregg Williams fan. I don’t think he has proven anything. If he has proven anything it’s that he has a lot to prove. The bar is set high when you have a reputation as a defensive guru, and he is tripping all over it.
New Orleans had no personnel on defense (ie it had very few players) but he managed to make it competitive, and one year, against the odds, to actually rank top 5. He had Washington’s defense in the top 10 3 of 4 years. He had several good defenses with the Titans. So he has done it at a high level.
So, yeah, he has proven things. I get that you’re not a fan but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t had top defenses before…he has. I mean just plain objectively, he HAS done it.
Meanwhile, while I get why guys put the defensive issues on Williams, I just personally don’t. I think it’s a lot of things, and not reducible to having a bad coach.
Wms. is a volatile topic because a lot of people just plain dislike him. I leave all that out of it. I can only go with what my eyes tell me…and my eyes tell me that this team drafted a lot of freelancers and headstrong maturity cases on defense, and that they are not going to get reined in overnight. I think they would have won a few if not all of their previous games if they had not made unbelievable “what were you thinking” execution errors on defense (Jenkings, Ogletree, to name 2 examples). If I ever expected that to get cleared up overnight, I had a rude awakening…the pegs still need to be pounded back into the slots. Apparently that is not an overnight process.
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