What's missing? Responsibility

Fisher is making a ton of money so he’s not going to resign, although he should. He will ride it out for as long as the owner allows it. This is just a sad sad situation.

You presume it’s the team tanking and not the NFL essentially doing it TO them…

See, for the team to tank, that would be too hard to conceal. For the NFL, it wouldn’t take that many people. Why do you think the Refs held out and they have such a STRONG contract? You can’t even criticize obvious missed calls for fear of being fined!

It’s one thing to respect the Refs dignity. It’s another for them to codify silence even in the face of incompetence or injustice.

In watching this Rams team, I’ve never felt for a second that they’ve not been trying to win. And I’m not shy in sharing my opinions.

But I do feel like…something… is amiss. And the refereeing is the vehicle to that end. That’s the pattern, the demonstrated bias. I don’t know why. To move to LA? To further punish Gregg Williams? I have only guesses, some of which make more sense than others at any given time.

But the team quitting or tanking? I just haven’t seen that.

Mackeyser wrote:

You presume it’s the team tanking and not the NFL essentially doing it TO them…

See, for the team to tank, that would be too hard to conceal. For the NFL, it wouldn’t take that many people. Why do you think the Refs held out and they have such a STRONG contract? You can’t even criticize obvious missed calls for fear of being fined!

It’s one thing to respect the Refs dignity. It’s another for them to codify silence even in the face of incompetence or injustice.

In watching this Rams team, I’ve never felt for a second that they’ve not been trying to win. And I’m not shy in sharing my opinions.

But I do feel like…something… is amiss. And the refereeing is the vehicle to that end. That’s the pattern, the demonstrated bias. I don’t know why. To move to LA? To further punish Gregg Williams? I have only guesses, some of which make more sense than others at any given time.

But the team quitting or tanking? I just haven’t seen that.

Well, but, I don’t know what else I would assume. Do I believe the Rams are a special target of the refs? No. But it doesn’t matter, because they have the same reaction to their own mistakes as they do to bad calls–any kind of setback. They break under it. They go all hang doggy.

Heck they aren’t even the most penalized team in the league. They’re tied for 9th. The 49ers are actually ahead of them at 4th.

Going hang doggy is not good. I think they need Hill at qb. I also think the Wms defense asks too much of them. I think both Fisher and Wms overestimated the team and thought it could handle more.

PA Ram wrote:

Actually that dog looks like me after most Rams games.

Look, breaking under pressure, being mentally weak–I don’t know, maybe. I can’t get inside their heads. But if that’s the problem you’d better draft some new players because I don’t see how you “coach” that out of them. That seems to be a mental make-up kind of thing–you either have mental toughness or you don’t.

Why suddenly this year?

This year they can’t handle anything wrong that goes against them?

How does that happen?

I think that the coaches HAVE to take responsibility–and particularly Greg Williams. He was the one big coaching change and look at the result. From where this defense was–to where they are–and having MORE talent? I’m taking the Occam’s razor approach and asking–what has changed? Greg Williams. The result is–terrible. Now you can say–new scheme, players aren’t adjusting and all that. But I don’t buy it. If they can’t execute the new scheme for whatever reason–find one they can.

And after the game, Ray Lewis and some of the other players were dumbfounded at the scheme on that 80 yard touchdown. They called it “high school football”. Lewis was incredulous they would have been set up like that and even in his comments after the game, Fisher said it was a mistake.

That’s a glaring one.

How many foul-ups or “high school football” moments aren’t noticed?

I am thoroughly disgusted with Greg Williams. I believe it was a mistake to bring him in and I’d be happy if he took his wonderful reputation and moved on to the next team.

Well, when Spags hired McD
it was an utter disaster at first
but it got better as the season went
along didnt it?

Perhaps — I’m not predicting just hoping —
but perhaps the Ram players will get
better as they become more familiar
with GW’s approach. I dunno.

If not, they get to draft
a top three player.

Sigh.

w
v

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PA Ram wrote:</div>
Actually that dog looks like me after most Rams games.

Look, breaking under pressure, being mentally weak–I don’t know, maybe. I can’t get inside their heads. But if that’s the problem you’d better draft some new players because I don’t see how you “coach” that out of them. That seems to be a mental make-up kind of thing–you either have mental toughness or you don’t.

Why suddenly this year?

This year they can’t handle anything wrong that goes against them?

How does that happen?

I think that the coaches HAVE to take responsibility–and particularly Greg Williams. He was the one big coaching change and look at the result. From where this defense was–to where they are–and having MORE talent? I’m taking the Occam’s razor approach and asking–what has changed? Greg Williams. The result is–terrible. Now you can say–new scheme, players aren’t adjusting and all that. But I don’t buy it. If they can’t execute the new scheme for whatever reason–find one they can.

And after the game, Ray Lewis and some of the other players were dumbfounded at the scheme on that 80 yard touchdown. They called it “high school football”. Lewis was incredulous they would have been set up like that and even in his comments after the game, Fisher said it was a mistake.

That’s a glaring one.

How many foul-ups or “high school football” moments aren’t noticed?

I am thoroughly disgusted with Greg Williams. I believe it was a mistake to bring him in and I’d be happy if he took his wonderful reputation and moved on to the next team.

You can’t coach them out of it and it takes too long to draft new players.

Like all teams that gain confidence, you can only do one thing…win a “tide-turning” game.

I don’t know how many times I have watched “America’s Game,” the show that does an hour long take on great seasons by superbowl winning teams, and heard this: xyz game turned it around, after that we were playing with real confidence.

It’s the only way. Hiring a new coach won’t change it. Waiting to develop new draftees won’t change it. Fisher doing this or that or one thing or another won’t change it.

Ok, then I’m in favor
of winning a
tide-turning game.

w
v

• This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by wv.

wv wrote:

I wonder if there’s anything different
the coaches can do — or if they
just need to ‘believe’ and stay
the course.

They are going to feel more heat
now than at any time since
Fisher got here.

It will be interesting to see
what Fisher does.

This sure doesnt seem like
what we tend to think of
when we think of a
Jeff Fisher team.

w
v

I think what they can do is line up someone to play the safety position. SF has had great success against this Gregg Williams scheme, even during the bounty gate era. There was no friggin safety in position to make a play last night…. it was frustrating, like watching a bad HS team.

Also, the RAMS never got a clean hit on the QB, had they played that game on grass, the SF QB would not need to take his uni to the cleaners today, he was untouched, and when he was there was a horse collar penalty….

I agree with RFL, this coaching staff needs some accountability, but what are you gonna do, fire Gregg Williams in October?

Seattle, at KC, a rested SF team in Santa Clara, in AZ, Denver, at SD, which of these games do they have a chance?

Also, I’ve seen enough of Austin Davis, his transmission doesn’t have a clutch, or it needs to be replaced. If Fisher hates or Shawn Hill can’t go, let’s see Case Keenum.

• This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by joemad.

zn wrote:

I think what they can do is line up someone to play the safety position. SF has had great success against this Gregg Williams scheme, even during the bounty gate era. There was no friggin safety in position to make a play last night…. it was frustrating, like watching a bad HS team.

I just have to disagree with this.

There is no way on earth Jenkins is supposed to play it the way he did. He blundered and hugely. Who is supposed to anticipate that happening? It’s like, you’re not supposed to text while driving during rush hour. If you text while driving during rush hour, I won’t be sympathetic to the idea there should have been a traffic cop there to warn the other drivers.

I know the ESPN talking heads tried to put this one on Wms but I just saw that as them shamelessly exonerating Jenkins for a basics 101 level dumb dumb dumb play.

Jenkins may have screwed up but why put him in the position to screw up–because if he does–it’s 6 points.

A good DC does not let that happen.

I don’t know, zn.

Fisher’s quote:

(On how much the long touchdown pass hurt before halftime)
“Yeah, well it was a double move and he (CB Janoris Jenkins) should stay on top. In retrospect we should probably not put him in that position. They were stalling a little bit, letting the clock run down. I even pondered using a timeout there to try to get the ball back, but it looked as if they were just going to take a shot. We have to get better than that as coaches and as players.”

A good coach–who should know anyway that Jenkins is susceptible there(know your players weaknesses)should not count on him making that play. They could have handled ANYTHING underneath at that point. The one thing that could not happen–the one thing they could not allow–they did. And I just feel that the coaches take a chunk of the blame there.

joemad wrote:

zn wrote:

I think what they can do is line up someone to play the safety position. SF has had great success against this Gregg Williams scheme, even during the bounty gate era. There was no friggin safety in position to make a play last night…. it was frustrating, like watching a bad HS team.

I just have to disagree with this.

There is no way on earth Jenkins is supposed to play it the way he did. He blundered and hugely. Who is supposed to anticipate that happening? It’s like, you’re not supposed to text while driving during rush hour. If you text while driving during rush hour, I won’t be sympathetic to the idea there should have been a traffic cop there to warn the other drivers.

I know the ESPN talking heads tried to put this one on Wms but I just saw that as them shamelessly exonerating Jenkins for a basics 101 level dumb dumb dumb play.

There’s reason why SF called that play right before half… they knew there would be no coverage over the top… at it burned JJ with no help over the top.

Yet if Jenkins played it right there would have been no play and it would have been a dumb call.

So! See? See what you get? See what you get when you start…

…a board war?

PA Ram wrote:

I don’t know, zn.

Fisher’s quote:

(On how much the long touchdown pass hurt before halftime)
“Yeah, well it was a double move and he (CB Janoris Jenkins) should stay on top. In retrospect we should probably not put him in that position. They were stalling a little bit, letting the clock run down. I even pondered using a timeout there to try to get the ball back, but it looked as if they were just going to take a shot. We have to get better than that as coaches and as players.”

A good coach–who should know anyway that Jenkins is susceptible there(know your players weaknesses)should not count on him making that play. They could have handled ANYTHING underneath at that point. The one thing that could not happen–the one thing they could not allow–they did. And I just feel that the coaches take a chunk of the blame there.

To me that just sounds like Fisher covering for JJ in public. I bet his tone and choice of words was a little different when he addressed this with JJ at Rams Park.