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July 11, 2018 at 8:00 am #87978PA RamParticipant
This court will fundamentally change so many things for the next 30 years.
Environmental protections? See ya.
Health care? Plenty of garbage plans will be available. IF you can get one.
Abortion rights? Bye-bye.
Gerrymandering? As much as you want.
I just read that by 2040 70 percent of the population will be in 15 states. 30 percent of the population will pick 70 Senators.
Being in the majority no longer matters. The minority runs things now. A white man minority runs the whole show.
This is why elections matter.
The electoral college should be gone but that has no chance of happening.
If you are in the majority your vote means less. In some cases it means nothing.
That’s where we are.
Muh-rica!
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
July 11, 2018 at 9:41 am #87980ZooeyModeratorYeah, I’ve seen a couple of places a stat that shows that someone in Wyoming has approximately 4x the voting clout that I do in California.
It is a dark time, but I still have a glimmer of hope. The Rams could force a fumble, and return it for a TD, recover the onside kick, and still have time to run 3 plays. It’s possible.
Susan Collins flatly stated she would not support a judge who would overturn RvsW. She said she was opposed to “activist” judges, and that they would look at the written judgments, and she would not support a judge who “went out of bounds” to push new interpretations and laws.
I think she’s a No on Kavanaugh.
The problem is going to be Dem senators in Trump states. I know Tester is one. McGaskill. The lovely and talented Joe Manchin. Maybe one or two others. But then…maybe some of the retiring Rep senators can do something for the country on the way out. It’s not much…but it’s all the hope I can sweep up.
I just cannot believe how insanely bad Trump is. I haven’t read the news yet, but I see he is bombing NATO right now, according to the headlines. Seriously, you literally could NOT draw up a fictional president who could realistically do more damage to the US’ relationship with its allies than what Trump is doing. How can there be any doubt that he is controlled by Putin at this point?
July 11, 2018 at 9:56 am #87982Billy_TParticipantA key problem for the Dems, IMO, has been this — at least since they’ve been moderate Republicans:
When they return to power, they are adverse to reversing what the Republicans have done. The Republicans are very, very aggressive in reversing what the Dems have done. That’s been the dynamic, give or take, since the early 1970s, and it includes the courts and the Court.
The myth and meme of “liberal activist judges,” for instance, has dominated our political narratives, but the fact is, it’s been “conservative activist judges” and congresses, and presidents, and governors, etc. etc. that have dominated.
They see this as war — and pretty much everything as a “culture war,” and they have never shied away from overturning precedent. The Dems, OTOH, when they return to power, don’t return the favor and accept the status quo they inherit as the new baseline. The new normal.
That’s a huge reason why we keep moving further and further to the right.
July 11, 2018 at 9:58 am #87983Billy_TParticipantSpeaking of rule from the minority:
We’re living in an age of minority rule
This factoid is pretty striking:
Why do I say that a vote in Kavanaugh’s favor is an example of minority rule? Because the body that will confirm him is built in its current formation to almost guarantee Republican control, despite the fact that most American voters selected Democrats to represent them there.
Using Dave Leip’s invaluable election atlas, I added up all the votes cast for Democrats and Republicans in the 2012, 2014 and 2016 Senate elections, which put the current Senate in place. I didn’t bother with the few special elections since 2012, which in total wouldn’t change the results much, but I did include Bernie Sanders’s and Angus King’s last elections, since they are nominally independent but caucus with the Democrats. Here are the results:
Republican votes: 102.3 million
Democratic votes: 117.4 million
In the elections that determined the current Senate, there were 15 million more votes cast for Democrats than for Republicans. Yet Republicans maintain control and therefore get to confirm President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee.
July 11, 2018 at 10:03 am #87984Billy_TParticipantI just cannot believe how insanely bad Trump is. I haven’t read the news yet, but I see he is bombing NATO right now, according to the headlines. Seriously, you literally could NOT draw up a fictional president who could realistically do more damage to the US’ relationship with its allies than what Trump is doing. How can there be any doubt that he is controlled by Putin at this point?
He’s trashing Germany today, saying they’re in the thrall of Russia because they signed a deal on Natural gas. Well, we had major trade deals with Russia all through the Cold War, including under Reagan’s presidency.
But one thing that really puzzles me, as far as no one mentioning this in the Media:
If Trump is supposedly so worried about our tax dollars going toward “protecting” NATO countries, and how this is such an unfair burden on Americans . . . He and the GOP just got finished jacking up Defense spending in the latest budget, and bragging about it. One would think that if spending too much on Defense is the issue, that means the actual budget overall too. But, apparently not.
July 11, 2018 at 10:11 am #87985znModeratorSusan Collins flatly stated she would not support a judge who would overturn RvsW. She said she was opposed to “activist” judges, and that they would look at the written judgments, and she would not support a judge who “went out of bounds” to push new interpretations and laws.
I think she’s a No on Kavanaugh.
We lefties in Maine see Collins as a problem who often says “the right things” to keep her job in a blue state, but, is never ever to be fully trusted. So we’ll see on Collins. Hope you’re right.
July 11, 2018 at 10:31 am #87986Billy_TParticipantSusan Collins flatly stated she would not support a judge who would overturn RvsW. She said she was opposed to “activist” judges, and that they would look at the written judgments, and she would not support a judge who “went out of bounds” to push new interpretations and laws.
I think she’s a No on Kavanaugh.
We lefties in Maine see Collins as a problem who often says “the right things” to keep her job in a blue state, but, is never ever to be fully trusted. So we’ll see on Collins. Hope you’re right.
I’m betting she votes for Kavanagh. My guess is no Republican breaks ranks with Trump on this one, and that two or three Dems side with him too.
These hearings, pretty much ever since Bork, purposely reveal next to nothing about the nominee. They’ve been coached so well on the non-answer, senators have plenty of cover to vote their way. I suspect Kavanagh will speak in vague platitudes and won’t reveal anything regarding Roe, etc. etc. so Collins and Murkowski are safe to remain in the fold.
The right has basically won, because there is no authentic opposition from the only party that could muster it, given our monopoly/duopoly system.
July 11, 2018 at 10:36 am #87987nittany ramModeratorMy wife and I have begun thinking about other places to live – places more in line with our political ideals. Not seriously discussing it yet, but I can see those discussions happening soon.
Just letting you know in case you see the moniker ‘Scandinavia Ram’ around here in the near future.
July 11, 2018 at 11:33 am #87988JackPMillerParticipantHere is something that Brett Kavanaugh said in a 2009 article for the Minnesota Law Review, in which Kavanaugh wrote that Congress should pass a law to exempt a sitting president from criminal prosecution or investigation.
“I believe that the president should be excused from some of the burdens of ordinary citizenship while serving in office,” Kavanaugh wrote. “We should not burden a sitting president with civil suits, criminal investigations, or criminal prosecutions.”
July 11, 2018 at 4:49 pm #87990wvParticipant“…After 12 years of conservative decisions on the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, Kavanaugh has left little doubt as to how his rulings from the high court will fall. Of course he will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade if given the opportunity. Of course he will vote to limit gun control laws, because he already has. Of course he will vote in favor of polluters and against net neutrality. Of course he will be a great ally in the GOP’s ongoing war against the right to vote, having written his former court’s majority opinion upholding South Carolina’s scrofulous voter ID law.
Kavanaugh is far more conservative than Justice Kennedy ever was, and will be as reliably right-wing as Justices Gorsuch and Thomas. Add Justice Alito and Chief Justice Roberts to the dogpile, and you have a historically hot mess that will still be burning when my grandchildren are dodging automatic weapons fire before homeroom, because America.
Senate Democrats can try to string out the nomination fight until after the midterm elections, but that strategy depends entirely on retaking the Senate majority. Barring that, they can try to hold their caucus together and convince GOP Senators Collins and Murkowski to also vote “No,” but that is perilous on a pair of fronts: The two Joes — Manchin and Donnelly — along with Heidi Heitkamp are running for their lives in red states (Heitkamp already voted for Gorsuch), and as the tax cut bill vividly showed us, the senators from Maine and Alaska can also be bought if the price is right.
It will be close, but not really. Brett Kavanaugh will soon be an associate justice of the US Supreme Court…”
Trump Card: Brett Kavanaugh and the “Unitary Executive” Theory
July 11, 2018 at 4:58 pm #87991wvParticipantApril 17, 2019 at 11:11 pm #100026znModeratorSusan Collins flatly stated she would not support a judge who would overturn RvsW. She said she was opposed to “activist” judges, and that they would look at the written judgments, and she would not support a judge who “went out of bounds” to push new interpretations and laws.
I think she’s a No on Kavanaugh.
We lefties in Maine see Collins as a problem who often says “the right things” to keep her job in a blue state, but, is never ever to be fully trusted. So we’ll see on Collins. Hope you’re right.
Speaking as a Mainer, Susan Collins kept her real self fairly hidden for a while.
Not anymore.
April 17, 2019 at 11:29 pm #100030ZooeyModeratorWelp. I am already on the hook for $20 for whoever runs against her.
April 24, 2019 at 1:20 am #100243znModerator -
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