Watson

Hram wrote:

Given that, how do two grand juries to say there’s not enough to indict?

That’s a question in its own right.

Meanwhile the league does not need a criminal indictment to determine if there are grounds for a suspension.

InvaderRam wrote:

wv wrote:

I have no idea what ‘justice’ looks like in a case that does not go to trial, and where two grand juries decided there was not enough evidence to indict, and where we dont know all the facts…..but…where 24 women have prettymuch told the same story. How in the world do you add up all the knowns and unknowns in a case like this, and then do all the human-algebra and then turn it into “X number of game suspensions.” The whole, entire, situation is post-modernly-surreal. Thats all i got. w v

yeah. the whole thing is just strange. i don’t really know much about the details. the only thing i can think of in recent memory that compares is that whole ben roethlisberger controversy that happened ten years ago. i just looked it up, and he was also suspended for 6 games. roethlisberger for sexual assault and watson for sexual misconduct. not sure if there’s a difference between those two words.

Watson settled with all but one of the women who accused him.

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Twenty-four women filed lawsuits against Watson, alleging that he assaulted or harassed them in massage appointments between 2020 and 2021, when he was on the Texans’ roster. Watson, who has denied any wrongdoing, settled 20 of those suits last month

from https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/sports/football/deshaun-watson-settlement-texans.html

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Watson’s agent Tony Buzbee told ESPN’s John Barr that the Browns quarterback has agreed to settle three of the four remaining civil lawsuits filed against him.

from https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/08/01/deshaun-watson-settles-three-of-four-remaining-lawsuits-per-report#:~:text=Ahead%20of%20Robinson’s%20decision%20Monday,civil%20lawsuits%20filed%20against%20him.

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The 22 active civil suits allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage appointment. Eighteen of the 22 active suits accuse Watson of inappropriately touching women with his penis during massage therapy sessions.

from https://theathletic.com/2496073/2022/07/15/deshaun-watson-sexual-assault/

InvaderRam wrote:

but still no conviction. and i just read that the nflpa will fight if they try to suspend him for more. that’s just all horrible.

There was no conviction because there was no trial and there was no trial because it was hard to prove what happened in one on one encounters.

The PA would not sue on Watson’s behalf, that would be entirely procedural in terms of what the agreed on protocols for suspensions are. It’s not this case, it’s any case that in the PA’s eyes pushes agreed upon protocols.

You do not pay off more than 2 dozen women with settlements if it’s nothing.

InvaderRam wrote:

well actually the nflpa had said it would sue if the suspension was for a year. .

My point was, the PA would not do that because it’s Watson or because they are on his side. It would simply be a matter of how suspensions are handled in all cases like this. It’s just a matter of how the rules are applied.

In fact, the NFL is appealing the suspension and asking for more.

I don’t happen to think this is a mess. I think Watson got caught by the judge who was the arbitrator for the case. The NFL wants a tougher suspension, and the PA wants to enforce strict adherence to suspension rules.

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