Wagner after signing

Recent Forum Topics Forums The Rams Huddle Wagner after signing

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 10 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #138411
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    #139066
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    #139154
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2022/06/04/rams-bobby-wagner-seahawks-defensive-scheme-differences/?taid=629b4a8e7385bc0001a46bf2&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

    Wagner is in the early stages of his Rams tenure, but he already sees major differences between Seattle’s scheme and Los Angeles’ approach on defense.

    “I think every defense is built on speed, but I think the biggest thing was with Pete, we were super Cover 3. Everybody knew it was Cover 3 and we were in the mindset – maybe kind of cocky a little bit – that we were going to line up and we were going to make you beat us. We rarely made any checks. It was like, we’re gonna play deep, make you throw the ball short and we’re gonna rally and we’re gonna hit you and pay for it. No team is patient enough to work the ball down the field like that. They want to take shots, it’s an offensive-driven league. I would say that’s changed because there are so many more coaching staffs that had the Cover 3 so teams figured out ways to beat that Cover 3. This defense, we have a lot more coverages, we have a lot more checks, we have a lot more adjustments to certain things to get us out of those tough downs and I’m excited for that. I’m excited to learn that and be able to check that and again, it’s a chess game between the quarterbacks.”

    The Seahawks changed up their scheme a bit over the years as offenses adapted to their coverages, but they’re still primarily a Cover 3 defense. With the Rams, Wagner will obviously play a ton of hook zones dropping back into coverage, but he’ll also have opportunities to blitz, line up on the edge and cover the flats.

    The Rams use a ton of Cover 4, which also prevents big plays over the top, but they mix things up a good amount with their rushes, coverages and defensive fronts. That’s something Wagner is excited to delve into.

    #139160
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    interesting. all this time i was thinking how wags was gonna make this defense better.

     

    but now i’m wondering how can this scheme make wags better? with all this talk about split coverages and making the defense more multiple or adaptable i guess. and the potential to put wags in even better situations than he was while with seattle.

     

    also very excited to see how the wags/jones pair works out.

    #139166
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    Wagner is in the early stages of his Rams tenure, but he already sees major differences between Seattle’s scheme and Los Angeles’ approach… Everybody knew it was Cover 3 and we were in the mindset – maybe kind of cocky a little bit – that we were going to line up and we were going to make you beat us..

    ==

    Well, plenty of great coaches have used the simple ‘execution’ approach, if i can call it that.  Lombardi.  Maybe Martz.  Etc.

    It can work.  I mean the Legion of Boom was awesome.  One of the best ever.

    But maybe Pete’s success with that outfit made him think ‘any’ group can play that well with good coaching, etc.

     

    I dunno.   …IF i had players with high-Football-IQs or instincts or whatever you wanna call it, I think it would be a waste not to ‘use’ their intellectual talents.   IF they can master the tricky-ness of defensive audibles and stuff then it seems like a flaw if you dont use a tricky defense.   Maybe.

     

    w

    v

    #139168
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    I dunno.   …IF i had players with high-Football-IQs or instincts or whatever you wanna call it, I think it would be a waste not to ‘use’ their intellectual talents.   IF they can master the tricky-ness of defensive audibles and stuff then it seems like a flaw if you dont use a tricky defense.   Maybe.

    now i’m wondering how can this scheme make wags better? with all this talk about split coverages and making the defense more multiple or adaptable i guess. and the potential to put wags in even better situations than he was while with seattle.

    I think those are both good points.

    There was a Rodrigue/Hammond broadcast recently that I posted here where an online defense guru type they had on the show talked about (among other things) how the Rams draft for defense. Since they have a few stars on defense, they can surround them with very specific types of role players and so take good advantage of lower round picks. The Rams big thing with Morris is the defense adjusting in-play to offensive sets. (Imagine the amount of trust you have to have in everyonse elese to play that way.) They have all these smart, football savvy lower round picks who might not have the speed but they can execute that defense.

    Wagner fits that to a T.

    I like Invader’s point about how maybe this will bring out more in Wagner, and I like WV’s point that this defense takes good advantage of football savvy.

    It’s also true that they can do that because they have some all-world stars who they know the offense always has to account for. So in a lot of ways they can use the stars t0 make the offense more “readable.”

     

     

    #139170
    Avatar photoBilly_T
    Participant

    We talked about this before, but it is interesting how the Rams tend to go for older rooks. This year, even more so than usual. If memory serves, they drafted a coupla guys who will turn 25 in their first season, if the Rams get to the Big Dance. Same with some of the UDFA guys. Older players, not necessarily “athletic,” but they check boxes the Rams truly value. Smart, fast learners, team captains, that kind of thing. That’s who they want to complement their stars. Though I’d be shocked if they’d ever turn down the combo of great athlete and great intangibles . . . But that kind of player tends to be gone after the 1st Round. Maybe mid-2nd.

    Again, my own preference is to go for the great athletes whenever possible, and try to coach up the other stuff. Obviously, that’s not the way the Rams see it, and their way is working.

    Wagner is an interesting case in point. He came out of college with elite explosion numbers and sub-4.5 speed. His lack of height may have been why he “fell,” along with going to Utah State, and being just a two-star recruit out of high school. But at 242 pounds, he wasn’t too small. Haven’t exactly followed his career, so I don’t have a clue how much he’s lost of that special athleticism. But however much, I’m guessing he more than makes up for it in high IQ play. Sounds like he could coach someday. A very important signing for the Rams, one that makes the defense smarter, tougher, and should end their issues with getting gashed up the middle, etc.

    #139171
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    A very important signing for the Rams, one that makes the defense smarter, tougher, and should end their issues with getting gashed up the middle, etc.

    I agree with everything you say, and especially the bit I quote.

    I re-watched the superbowl. The Bengals had a few big plays, as we know, but mostly, it was short passes to and runs up the middle that kept them on the field.

    #139709
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    1.

    from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/15/rams-bobby-wagner-role-seahawks-excited/?taid=62d3c18d1dfd7b00012ae19c&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

    While speaking about the transition process from playing for the Seattle Seahawks to playing for a former division rival, Wagner admitted that he never wanted to leave Seattle, but he’s anxious to produce for the Rams….he believes he’s in a better position to make plays with the Rams entering the 2022 campaign, and he’s excited about the role planned for him in L.A.

    “I think that I’m in a better position to make plays and I think I’m going to have more opportunities to do some of the things that I was doing early on in my career,” Wagner said of his role with the Rams. “So I think I’m going to surprise everybody but myself.”

    ***

    2.

    Bobby Wagner ‘didn’t want to leave Seattle’ but is looking forward to playing at ‘home’ in L.A.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/bobby-wagner-didnt-want-to-leave-seattle-but-is-looking-forward-to-playing-at-home-in-la/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_sports&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657901348

    When Bobby Wagner packs up and leaves Seattle for Los Angeles soon for the beginning of training camp, he says it’s not “goodbye” but “see you later.”

    While his work address has changed, Wagner plans to keep his residence in the Seattle area and remain a part of the community he began calling home 10 years ago when he was drafted by the Seahawks in the second round in 2012 out of Utah State.

    Since his release by Seattle on March 8 and subsequent signing with the Rams a few weeks later, Wagner says he has often run into people in town who tell him “they hope I don’t leave forever. And I’m like: ‘I’m not leaving forever. I just don’t play for the Seahawks anymore.’”

    Proof of his commitment to Seattle came this week when Wagner hosted the King County Boys & Girls Club’s 2022 field day at Husky Stadium. Wagner regularly worked with the Boys & Girls Club during his Seahawks tenure, notably playing Secret Santa for a holiday shopping spree one year.

    Roughly 885 kids ages 6-18 attended Wednesday’s event, which was also sponsored by UnitedHealthcare and hadn’t been held the past two years due to the pandemic.

    “I just kind of wanted to show the city that had loved me for 10 years some love before I left and kind of let them know that although I’m not playing for the Seahawks that I am not removing myself from this community,” Wagner said. “I’m always going to be a part of this community.”

    And as the months have progressed, Wagner said he has begun to have a little more pragmatic take on his release, realizing — to cite the famous phrase — that the closing of one door meant the opening of another.

    In this case, that specifically meant the chance to play in his hometown with the defending Super Bowl champion Rams.

    “Obviously there are still feelings there [about being released],” he said. “But at the end of the day I have a different perspective. I think my opinion on it would have been different if I ended up somewhere else. But to have the opportunity to go home and play not far from my family. Like I haven’t played this close to my family since high school [Colony High in Ontario, California].

    “… I didn’t want to leave Seattle. But if I was going to leave Seattle, home was the next-best thing for me and so being able to be home, like I’m at peace with the situation. But still any competitor is looking forward to going back to the place that you played that they felt like you didn’t have nothing left and proving them wrong.”

    Wagner, who turned 32 last month, was released with one year remaining on his contract with Seattle, which would have paid him $16.6 million in 2022. He signed a five-year contract with the Rams worth up to $50 million but with no guaranteed money beyond 2023, and viewed as essentially a year-to-year deal.

    Wagner, who will team with Ernest Jones as one of the Rams two inside linebackers in the team’s base 3-4 scheme, says he plans to show he’s the same player he’s been throughout a career that will undoubtedly land him someday in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

    “I think that I’m in a better position to make plays and I think I’m going to have more opportunities to do some of the things that I was doing early on in my career,” Wagner said of his role with the Rams. “So I think I’m going to surprise everybody but myself.”

    But if happiness over his new situation has softened some of the initial bitterness over his release, it hasn’t dulled all of it.

    Wagner tweeted shortly after his release that making the news of his release worse is that he didn’t hear it first from the team.

    Both coach Pete Carroll and general manager John Schneider said later they regretted how they handled the situation. Schneider noted that Wagner is serving as his own agent, which meant there wasn’t the usual buffer between the organization and player to deliver bad news. Carroll also said he was to blame since he wanted the team to wait as long as possible to explore all options before making any move official.

    Wagner says “I heard it from so many other people” that the team planned to release him that “I just decided to reach out to them to see if it was true” and only then was he told that it was.

    Wagner said he hasn’t talked to either Carroll or Schneider since his release, only sharing a few texts that he described as “small talk.”

    But he said he appreciated that each said they wished they’d handled it differently.

    “I thought it was cool, but I thought they could have left out the me representing myself aspect of it because I felt like regardless of me representing myself or not representing myself that we had developed such a relationship that even if I had an agent and I heard it from my agent instead of them I would have had the same reaction,” Wagner said. “Because I’ve been in that building every day for 10 years. We’ve had multiple conversations — good conversations, difficult conversations. We’ve worked through the process of me negotiating my contract [in 2019]. So we already kind of faced that head on. So to me I didn’t really feel like me representing myself should have played a part in not hearing from them. But I think it is what it is at this point.”

    Wagner will get two chances to show the Seahawks up close this year that they made a mistake, though he’ll have to wait a while — L.A. hosts Seattle on Dec. 4 while the Rams don’t come to Lumen Field until the last game of the season, either Jan. 7 or 8.

    He can rest easy that he’ll return to Lumen Field sometime down the road, as well, to get his name in the Ring of Honor, if not maybe have his number retired.

    For now, he says, he isn’t worried about how the team might honor him someday “because I feel like my career is still going.”

    That doesn’t mean he doesn’t sometimes think about his Seahawks legacy.

    “When I played in Seattle, the whole goal was like to leave your mark,” he said. “I didn’t want to just be there and as soon as I retired everybody forget that I played there. I think I’m always grateful for my time and my energy that I gave to the city. I feel like I gave them everything that I have. I felt like we had a lot of good years, [and] I was committed to not only the organization but to the city. So it’s unfortunate that I won’t be one of those guys who said they played their whole career with one team. But I’m excited to be able to go home and play in front of my family.”

    #139957
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 10 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Comments are closed.