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November 6, 2024 at 7:33 pm #153096znModerator
NFL Draft expert has two Rams on midseason All-Rookie team
The Athletic’s Dane Brugler puts Jared Verse and Braden Fiske on his midseason all-rookie teamBlaine Grisak
The Los Angeles Rams 2024 rookie class is already being considered among the best just eight games into the season. Once again, general manager Les Snead has gotten fantastic early return value on rookie players who are playing big roles within the team.
As Justin Melo of The Draft Network said, “The Rams have dragged themselves out of a 1-4 hole and currently reside in second place in the division. The playoffs are well within reach. Receiving contributions from an outstanding rookie class has helped Sean McVay turn this season around.”
Now that we are at the midway point of the season, The Athletic’s Dane Brugler has put together his midseason all-rookie team. Two of the Rams’ draft picks made that list. Those players of course were Jared Verse and Braden Fiske. Verse was Brugler’s second-ranked edge rusher in the draft behind only Dallas Turner. Said Brugler of Verse in his midseason all-rookie team,
“There have been a couple slam-dunk picks in this exercise (Daniels, Bowers), and I would also include Verse, too…Reading through my draft scouting report for Verse, he has translated a lot of the qualities that made him so appealing as a prospect: “Verse can win with speed or power and flashes violence in his hands.” This shows up on almost every pass-rush snap. He consistently punches above his weight class, because of his high-pace, physical rushing style. “He is always around the football, because of his awareness, effort and fierce play personality.” Verse is unrelenting in his pursuit of the football. You want players who hate to be blocked, and that absolutely sums up the Florida State alum.”
Verse’s relentless play-style and hot motor early in the season led to too many missed tackles, but since the bye week, the Rams rookie has been one of the best players on the field. His bull rush may already be among the best in the NFL. He currently leads rookies in pressures and is by far the favorite for Defensive Rookie of the Year. Verse is currently -190 on FanDuel with the next closest player being Laiatu Latue at +750.
Rams EDGE Jared Verse may already have one of the better bull rushes in the NFL.
3rd-and-8 and walks Charles Cross right back into Geno Smith's lap to force an inaccurate throw. Verse is a dude with SERIOUS power. pic.twitter.com/9GOH4jwhCm
— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) November 5, 2024
Six months after the draft and it still seems amazing that Jared Verse fell to the Rams at 19. However, it’s not just that Verse fell to the Rams, but he was somehow the third edge rusher selected.
Due to offensive talent coming off of the board early and often, defensive talent fell. This worked in the Rams favor as they needed to replenish the defense following Aaron Donald’s retirement. Much like the NFL regretted allowing Donald to fall to the Rams in 2014, they may regret the same with Verse.
The Ringer’s Diante Lee also released his midseason all-rookie team and had good things to say about the Rams rookie edge rusher. Said Lee,
“Verse is proof that searching for a prospect with a refined pass-rushing skill set is not nearly as important as simply taking swings in the draft on abnormally fast and strong players. Verse isn’t winning his matchups with meticulous hand fighting or the kinds of moves you see players working on in the offseason; he just understands how to convert his speed into power, and he rushes the passer with impressive effort.”
However, Verse wasn’t the only player that Brugler mentioned. The NFL Draft analyst also gave the top defensive line spot to Braden Fiske. Said Brugler of Fiske,
“Just like at edge rusher, a Rams rookie from Florida State is running away with the top spot. Fiske passes the eye test — you can’t watch the Rams’ defense without noticing No. 55 chasing the football. The same explosive hands and revving motor that he showed for the Seminoles last season are leading to production against NFL blocking this season.”
Fiske has by far been the best pass-rushing defensive linemen among rookies so far this season. He has 26 pressures though eight games while the next closest has 12. The Rams defensive lineman had his ‘welcome to the NFL’ game last week against the Seahawks. Fiske finished with three sack contributions and six pressures. While he had shown flashes, Sunday’s game was one in which he finally took over.
Rams DL Braden Fiske doesn't get credit for this sack on the stat sheet, but he's very much the reason for it.
Beats the center inside, but gets knocked off balance. Forces Geno into Tyler Davis and Michael Hoecht for the sack. pic.twitter.com/viGU1mkHxl
— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) November 5, 2024
The Rams drafted Verse and Fiske because of their familiarity with one another, having played with each other at Florida State. While they haven’t run a lot of stunts off of each other, it’s very clear that these two players are going to be pillars on the defense at least for the next four years.
Also getting mentioned by Brugler as runner-ups and the honorable mentions section were wide receiver Jordan Whittington, Beaux Limmer, Kam Kinchens, and Jaylen McCollough.
The past two Rams draft classes have the potential to be franchise altering. In the past two draft classes, the Rams have selected:
Jared Verse
Braden Fiske
Kam Kinchens
Joshua Karty
Jordan Whittington
Beaux Limmer
Steve Avila
Byron Young
Kobie Turner
Puka Nacua
Ethan Evans…that doesn’t even mention undrafted free agents such as Jaylen McCollough or depth players that could turn into something still in Warren McClendon and Blake Corum.
There is still a lot of season to be played and a draft class should never be fully judged until at least three years later when more information is known about the players. Still, the Rams have to like what they’re seeing from the Florida State duo in Verse and Fiske.
November 9, 2024 at 11:17 am #153194InvaderRamModeratoryeah, the drafting has been unbelievable. i don’t know how mccollough or kinchens will turn out. whether they can eventually develop into full time starters. but they’re contributing. omar speights is another guy i’m hoping can continue to develop.
and then getting guys like beaux limmer??? and now there’s a legit question if you take him out of the lineup with jackson and avila returning? that’s crazy.
November 9, 2024 at 11:31 am #153195InvaderRamModeratori like verse’s vibe. a lot. fiske is cool too. but definitely more subdued.
i feel like the rams haven’t had that kind of personality in awhile.
maybe since london fletcher? i don’t know. reminds me of guys like kevin greene and john randle.
November 9, 2024 at 11:38 am #153196InvaderRamModeratorthis has probably been posted already. but it’s cool to hear him talk football. he really seems to study the game.
November 9, 2024 at 11:38 am #153197znModeratori feel like the rams haven’t had that kind of personality in awhile. maybe since london fletcher? i don’t know. reminds me of guys like kevin greene and john randle.
That’s a good comparison.
Plus right now, or so far anyway, looks like Shula knows how to deploy them.
November 9, 2024 at 3:46 pm #153205znModerator.@insidetheNFL quickly turned into our favorite football show. It’s phenomenal, highly recommend tuning into every episode. @JOEL9ONE selected #Rams defensive line coach Giff Smith as his “football guy” of the week, for multiple reasons…
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November 13, 2024 at 7:17 pm #153311znModeratorLes Snead talks pass rush dominance, Darious Williams’ impact + more on The Coach McVay Show. | @Microsoft
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November 22, 2024 at 8:56 am #153458znModeratorNovember 22, 2024 at 9:48 pm #153468ZooeyModeratori like verse’s vibe. a lot. fiske is cool too. but definitely more subdued.
i feel like the rams haven’t had that kind of personality in awhile.
maybe since london fletcher? i don’t know. reminds me of guys like kevin greene and john randle.
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November 23, 2024 at 2:25 am #153476znModeratorHow Rams’ young ‘5-headed monster’ changed course ahead of toughest test yet
Jourdan Rodrigue
LOS ANGELES — Defensive line coach Giff Smith didn’t sugarcoat anything.
The Los Angeles Rams had just lost back-to-back games, first in overtime against the Detroit Lions and then in a blowout to the Arizona Cardinals. Detroit ran the ball on seven of eight overtime plays including the game-winning touchdown. The Cardinals put up 231 net rushing yards. A Rams defensive line that faced questions all summer about its quality after superstar Aaron Donald’s retirement looked unprepared and overpowered.
They were embarrassed. Smith and assistant defensive line coach A.C. Carter were blunt in meetings later that week, but didn’t let the players wallow.
“Coach made some adjustments, he called me out,” said nose tackle Bobby Brown III, who said Arizona was his worst game. “He took my starting spot and basically was like, get on my stuff and get better. Me personally, I took that (as) I need to do as much as I can and be better for this team and not play selfish ball.”
It was hardly just Brown. Rookie defensive tackle Braden Fiske noted that players admitted to themselves and each other that sometimes they acted individualistically on certain snaps, trying to make plays instead of executing the collective plan. Second-year nose tackle Kobie Turner, a team captain this season, reminded teammates and himself that they “earn the right” to rush the passer by first stopping the run.
Out came the large gray trash cans, flipped over by Carter on one of the practice fields and arranged in a way so as to imitate the gaps they’d face from opposing offenses. Late into the workdays over the next few weeks, at Smith’s instruction, the defensive linemen walked through their assignments and their technique — over and over again, chatting to each other as they went.
The extra studying was intended to improve their fundamentals. It looked rudimentary. But it brought them all closer, in part because they all had to reckon with what needed to improve as a group.
“Part of that comes with humility,” Turner said. “Each person has to truly believe that they are not better than the rest of the 11. … I do think that guys have continued to be more and more humble.
“We’re all first and second-year guys. … I think that has also lent itself to have a certain humility. The way that we all look to each other is like, ‘Wow. These guys are ballers.’ It’s not, ‘Oh yeah, I’m the baller of the group. I’m the man.’ All along this front, anybody can eat. … Ultimately, when you have a humble mindset and you’re ready to give, and you’re not thinking, ‘How can I make this about me?’ the whole group flourishes.”
Through Weeks 1-5, the Rams had allowed the most rushing yards in the NFL and the second-worst rushing defense EPA. They allowed 4.8 yards per carry, which tied other teams in the bottom third of the league.
Through Weeks 7-11 (after the Week 6 bye) the Rams are No. 3 in total rushing defense EPA, fifth in opponent yards per carry (3.6) and No. 11 in total rushing yards allowed.
The Rams also rank No. 1 in the NFL in pressure rate according to Next Gen Stats, attaining pressure on more than 40 percent of pass-rush snaps. They’re slowly climbing up the sacks rankings, and are tied for seventh through 10 games with 27.
Similar to their improvements in the run game, re-learning core fundamentals also helped bring their pass rush to life. Turner said that Smith, Carter and outside linebackers coach Joe Coniglio have helped the group read and react to the protections set by an opposing offense because they teach them from the latter point of view. What are the ways an offense will avoid a pass rusher and why? How can the Rams’ entire defensive line adjust to it before the ball is snapped?
“When Joe first came in (in 2023), (in) his rush meetings he’d be like, ‘This is their protection, this is Jet Pro, this is Scat Pro.’ Everybody would be like, ‘OK, OK. Get to the good stuff, how they block and whatnot,’ ” said Turner. “But now, we know (for example), ‘We have a chipper — we’re running this stunt that is not going to be good into a chipper look (so) we can ice it.’ Or we can call another stunt. …
“Because of that, that allows us now — it’s not just the coach calling the game on the sideline and just (hoping) that we end up in the right spot. He calls the game on the sideline and if we see that we’re not in the right spot we can check into another one.”
When defensive coordinator Chris Shula and the assistants started adding more complex concepts to the pass rush, they didn’t use language players weren’t already accustomed to even though some of the plays were new. They built those packages up using core principles from their four-man rush and all of the interconnecting moves within it. Players’ ability to pick up those concepts quickly has resulted in small evolutions of their scheme.
For example, over the last few weeks the Rams have deployed a package called “Cheetah” that features a five-man front. Veteran outside linebacker Michael Hoecht is a multi-position player in this package, who can rush with the group off of the edge or just inside the edge, blitz from the interior gaps, drop into coverage on rare occasions, become the inside linebacker (usually inside linebackers come off the field in this package, to make room for extra rush and coverage players) or spy the quarterback.
“Necessity is the mother of invention so you’re just trying to find different ways to get your best players on the field,” said Shula, smiling. “We always talk about how (to) get your best 11 on the field? … We definitely think Hoecht is one of those guys.”
Against Miami in Week 10, Hoecht’s job on certain plays was to disrupt the early parts of the ultra-fast Dolphins receivers’ routes, because the defensive backs behind him would be covering a spot on the field where quarterback Tua Tagovailoa intended to throw at a specific time. Hoecht dropped as if he were spying Tagovailoa as an inside linebacker, but positioned himself in the route path and bumped the receiver. Because he was facing Tagovailoa the contact appeared accidental — but it forced Tagovailoa to hold onto the ball because the receiver was a hair late to his spot and it resulted in a sack for a 13-yard loss.
Another Rams captain, Quentin Lake, wears the “green dot” for the defense — meaning he has a small speaker in his helmet that allows him to receive the defensive play call from Shula and then communicate that to the rest of the defense. In “Cheetah”, Hoecht takes over communication up front. Without a speaker in his own helmet, Hoecht coordinates the call he gets from Lake with what he sees the offense do pre-snap in reaction to the defensive look.
The way the defensive line reads and fits the run varies depending on where the quarterback collects the snap (such as from the shotgun or pistol formations, or from under center). In “Cheetah” that means Hoecht’s job also changes, and it’s also his responsibility to set the run fits accordingly along the rest of the defensive line similarly to how a center would set protections for a quarterback.
“He’s able to get us exactly where we need to be,” said Turner, “he knows all of the drops. He knows the run fits when it comes up.”
All five pass-rushers — Hoecht, Defensive Rookie of the Year candidate Jared Verse, Fiske, second-year player Byron Young and Turner — bring this package and their overall rush plan to life with impact plays.
Young leads them all with six sacks, and has forced a fumble and batted a pass. Turner and Fiske each have five sacks — both players rush from the interior of the defensive line — and Fiske leads the team with two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries. Turner has also deflected three passes. Verse has 4 1/2 sacks, has forced two fumbles and recovered one. Hoecht has three sacks and last week in New England blocked an extra point attempt.
November 23, 2024 at 2:30 am #153477znModeratorfrom How Rams’ young ‘5-headed monster’ changed course ahead of toughest test yet
Jourdan Rodrigue
Through Weeks 1-5, the Rams had allowed the most rushing yards in the NFL and the second-worst rushing defense EPA. They allowed 4.8 yards per carry, which tied other teams in the bottom third of the league.
Through Weeks 7-11 (after the Week 6 bye) the Rams are No. 3 in total rushing defense EPA, fifth in opponent yards per carry (3.6) and No. 11 in total rushing yards allowed.
From the article just before this post.
If that all holds up, it will be one of the Rams biggest stories of this season.
December 1, 2024 at 12:13 am #153568znModeratorDecember 4, 2024 at 9:08 pm #153661znModeratorDecember 5, 2024 at 12:24 pm #153674znModerator#Rams selected Jared Verse with the 19th overall pick in the 2024 draft. Their first 1st round pick since they took Jared Goff 1st overall in 2016.
If we were to tell you prior to the season that he’d be tied in pressures with Myles Garrett, Chris Jones and Danielle Hunter at… pic.twitter.com/GtQ8hVbzaI
— Rams Bros. (@RamsBrothers) December 5, 2024
December 5, 2024 at 1:00 pm #153678znModeratorLos Angeles Rams@RamsNFL
Out there wreaking havoc. 😤Braden Fiske is the Defensive Rookie of the Month for November!
Fiske joins OLB Jared Verse (@JaredVerse1) as the second Ram to be honored with the Defensive Rookie of the Month award this season.
They are the first pair of teammates to be honored in the same season since Sheldon Richardson (November) and Dee Milliner (December) in 2013 and just the third duo to accomplish the feat since 1996.
December 6, 2024 at 7:02 pm #153704znModeratorBrett Kollmann@BrettKollmann
Most stops + tackles for loss by any rookie defender at any position this year – Jared Verse (40). -
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