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July 12, 2021 at 6:40 pm #130856znModerator
from https://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2021/07/pre-1982-sacks-added-to-pro-football-reference/
Pre-1982 Sacks Added To Pro Football Reference
Posted by Mike Lynch on July 12, 2021The NFL has only officially counted player sacks since 1982, which means sack records and leaderboards present an incomplete history of pass rushing. In many cases we accept these holes in the official record and move on. After all, we don’t know how many rushing yards Jim Thorpe had, passing yards Paddy Driscoll had or even how many blocked shots Wilt Chamberlain had. Heck, we don’t even “officially” know how many tackles anyone had in 2020 (or any other season). However, thanks to Official Gamebooks, ‘unofficial’ tackle totals get published in many places (including here). In the case of sacks, thanks to decades of research by John Turney and Nick Webster, we have a very thorough accounting of the statistic all the way back to 1960. Given that accounting for these ‘unofficial’ statistics allows us to paint a richer picture of the history of the game, we think it is a no-brainer to present them on Pro Football Reference, allowing fans to gain a deeper appreciation of some of football’s biggest stars in the 1960s and 1970s. This isn’t terribly different from presenting RBI totals for baseball players from before 1920 (the first season the statistic was “official”). These additions allow us to print year-by-year and career sacks totals for not just legends such as Deacon Jones (173.5), Jack Youngblood (151.5), Alan Page (148.5), Carl Eller (133.5) and Joe Greene (77.5), but also for less recognized stars like Coy Bacon (130.5), Cedrick Hardman (122.5) and Jack Gregory (106.0) whose greatness and impact can now be more readily quantified.
Turney and Webster, stalwart members of the Pro Football Researchers Association, have been compiling these numbers for nearly 30 years. To read a bit about their work and methods, we would recommend checking out these articles from the Hartford Courant, New York Times and ESPN’s old Page 2. The important things to know are that these numbers are based upon review of official play-by-plays, watching game film, photographs and coaches’ stats. The work continues to this day as new information is discovered, particularly for numbers from the early 1960s.
It’s remarkable how thorough the research is, given the many obstacles. 99% of sacks from the 1970 merger to 1981 are accounted for. From 1966 to 1969, it’s closer to 95% (both AFL and NFL). 1961-64 is about 80% coverage. About two-thirds of sacks in 1960 are accounted for.
With the new data incorporated into the site, here’s how the “unofficial” NFL sacks leaderboard (back to 1960) looks:
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July 12, 2021 at 6:46 pm #130857znModeratorPre-1982 sack totals have been updated and Rams Hall of Famers Deacon Jones, Jack Youngblood are two of the greatest beneficiaries.
The Rams had a Hall of Fame pass rusher in every season from 1961 to 1992 https://t.co/oqqV86qfM4
— TurfShowTimes (@TurfShowTimes) July 12, 2021
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With these updates, Deacon Jones is now third all-time in sacks behind Bruce Smith and Reggie White, while Jack Youngblood is sixth, behind Kevin Greene (who joined the Rams the year after Youngblood left) and Julius Peppers. That means that between 1961 and 1992, the Rams employed at least one legendary Hall of Fame pass rusher, switching between Jones, Youngblood, and then Greene. All three would now be in the top-six all-time in sacks.
July 12, 2021 at 6:48 pm #130858znModeratorPre-1982 sack totals have been updated and Rams Hall of Famers Deacon Jones, Jack Youngblood are two of the greatest beneficiaries.
Deacon Jones had three seasons of 21.5-plus sacks and is unofficially 3rd all-time in career sacks. https://t.co/zgYwiBLkFf
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) July 12, 2021
July 13, 2021 at 5:44 pm #130882znModeratorDeacon Jones led NFL in sacks a record five times
Officially, the NFL says no player has ever led the league in quarterback sacks more than once. But we now know that Hall of Fame defensive end Deacon Jones led the NFL in sacks five times.
Thanks to pre-1982 sack totals being published by Pro Football Reference, we now know who had the most sacks in the NFL (and AFL) in every season since 1960.
Jones, incredibly, led the NFL in sacks in 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968 and 1969. (He finished third in the NFL in sacks in 1966.) No player has ever had that kind of sustained run as the NFL’s best pass rusher.
Twelve players have led the league in sacks twice: Ed Husmann, Jim Katcavage, Al Baker, Larry Eisenhauer, Jack Youngblood, Mark Gastineau, Reggie White, Kevin Greene, Michael Strahan, DeMarcus Ware, Jared Allen and J.J. Watt. But only Jones has done it more than twice.
July 13, 2021 at 6:08 pm #130884Billy_TParticipantThe Deacon was the main reason I became a Rams fan. First among greats like Merlin and Gabe.
I wish he had retired a Ram, though. Can’t remember why he didn’t, exactly. But he went on to play for the Chargers and the Skins, and I think he should have just called it a day before that.
Main thing to me on those sack totals is per-game average. He played the fewest games of those in the top ten, if memory serves. No season was longer than 14 games, if I remember correctly.
How many sacks would he have added to the total if he had played as many as White and Smith?
Which reminds me of the abomination of upcoming season. Seventeen games!!
What the hell are they thinking!
I’m more and more in the Get off my lawn camp. Wish they’d go back to 14 games, with no pre-season. But, money money money, blah blah blah. So it’s likely they’ll keep expanding the season over time.
I wish the players had said no. For their own health, at least.
July 19, 2021 at 10:29 am #130971znModeratorIn a recent researched article by @pfref they determined that Rams legend Jack Youngblood tallied a whopping 151.5 career sacks. That is good for 6th place on the all time list. Youngblood was relentless! pic.twitter.com/0CFUzPs4EB
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) July 19, 2021
July 19, 2021 at 10:32 am #130972July 27, 2021 at 7:29 am #131138znModeratorThe quarterback sack became an official statistic in 1982. Now, we know the names of the great players who had the most sacks before then. https://t.co/XRYsvWFAco
— Touchdown Wire (@TheNFLWire) July 27, 2021
July 11, 2022 at 4:36 pm #139635znModeratorRams leaders according to unofficial numbers (career totals, not just years w/ Rams) (source): https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/sacks_career.htm?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool&__hstc=213859787.e2eb6f30984aeb9a9fea8c3258c6ecba.1657571543348.1657571543348.1657579154904.2&__hssc=213859787.1.1657579154904&__hsfp=1191625704#sacks_all_leaders
Jones 173.5
Greene 160
Youngblood 151.5
Bacon 130.5
Carter 104.5
Dryer 103
Quinn 101
AD 98
Needless to say posting this was not meant to take anything away from AD. It is worth noting though that everyone else on the list is an edge rusher, either at DE or (in one case) 3/4 OLB. AD is the only DT on this list.
According to unofficial stats a couple of DTs have high sack numbers–Page w/ 148.5 in 15 seasons, Randle w/ 137.5 in 14 seasons, White w/ 111 in 14 seasons. That’s it for DTs currently ahead of AD.
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