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July 6, 2016 at 4:41 am #47996znModerator
It’s been seven years in the making – but the Chilcot report is due to be published shortly. Here’s everything you need to know
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/chilcot-report-due-what-it-8350484
After seven years, the Chilcot report into the Iraq War will finally be released this week.
The Iraq Inquiry, set up in 2009 and chaired by Sir John Chilcot, was set up to look at the decision making that led to the invasion of Iraq.
The report was originally supposed to be published quickly, but has been beset by delays.
But what is the Chilcot report, what will be in it, and why has it taken so long to publish?
And what consequences will it have for Tony Blair and others involved in the planning of the conflict?
What is the report’s scope?
GettyUS President George W. Bush addressing the nation aboard the nuclear aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln 01 May 2003
Enormous. It starts with the summer of 2001 before the attacks on the World Trade CentreIt then moves to the war on Afghanistan, the build-up to military action in Iraq and the spring 2003 bombing on Baghdad followed by invasion.
It continues right up until when the inquiry was announced in July 2009 to capture the conflict’s aftermath.
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===UK’s Iraq War report could make grim reading for Tony Blair
https://www.yahoo.com/news/uks-iraq-war-report-could-grim-reading-tony-144907829.html
LONDON (AP) — Thirteen years after British troops marched into Iraq and seven years after they left a country that’s still mired in violence, a mammoth official report is about to address the lingering question: What went wrong?
On Wednesday, retired civil servant John Chilcot will publish his long-delayed, 2.6 million-word report on the divisive war and its chaotic aftermath. The U.S.-led conflict killed 179 British troops and some 4,500 American personnel. It also helped trigger violence that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and still rocks the Middle East.
And it overshadows the legacy of former Prime Minister Tony Blair.
“Despite all the many other things he did — and many people would argue lots of positive achievements — he will always be remembered for this fateful decision in 2003,” said Malcolm Chalmers, deputy director-general of defense think tank the Royal United Services Institute.
Opponents of the war hope Chilcot will find that Blair agreed to support President George W. Bush’s invasion and then used deception to persuade Parliament and the public to back it.
Such a stark finding is unlikely. But senior politicians, diplomats, intelligence officials and military officers are bracing for criticism over the flawed arguments that led to the invasion, and the lack of planning for the occupation that followed.
“I think it will probably shy away from saying, ‘This is what happened and this is who is to blame and this is what we should then do to them,'” said Gareth Stansfield, professor of Middle East politics at the University of Exeter.
“I think it will address key lessons in how intelligence was generated and then used and manipulated in the political system.”
Chilcot’s inquiry held public hearings between 2009 and 2011, taking evidence from more than 150 witnesses — including Blair, who has served as an international business consultant and Mideast peace envoy since he stepped down in 2007.
The inquiry has analyzed 150,000 documents and cost more than 10 million pounds ($13 million), but its report has been repeatedly delayed, in part by wrangling over the inclusion of classified material — including conversations between Blair and Bush. Some of Blair’s pre-war letters to the president are expected to be published by Chilcot.
Chilcot said in an interview broadcast Tuesday that it took far longer than expected to “get to the bottom of what happened over a nine-year period with all the legal, military, diplomatic and intelligence aspects.”
He said the goal was to produce “a really reliable account” and that meant negotiating agreement with the government over publishing details of Cabinet meetings, discussions with heads of state and other sensitive issues.
He said the report would be critical.
“I made very clear right at the start of the inquiry that if we came across decisions or behavior which deserved criticism then we wouldn’t shy away from making it,” Chilcot said. “And indeed, there have been more than a few instances where we are bound to do that.”
Opponents of the war claim Blair’s government exaggerated evidence that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that threatened the West — the foundation of the case for war. No chemical, biological or nuclear weapons were found in Iraq.
A U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee investigation found pre-war intelligence failings and concluded that politicians had overstated the evidence for weapons of mass destructions and ignored warnings about the violence that could follow an invasion.
Previous, more limited, British inquiries largely absolved the government of blame. A 2004 report by former civil service chief Robin Butler concluded that British intelligence was flawed, unreliable and incomplete, but cleared the government of deliberately misusing it.
“No one lied, no one made up the intelligence,” Blair said at the time, a stance he has stuck to ever since. Blair says he won’t comment on the report until it is published.
Some senior officials, though, say the decision to go to war was made long before Parliament voted to approve it on March 18, 2003.
Alan West, who was head of the Royal Navy at the time, said “I think there had been a decision that we were going to invade Iraq, that that was going to happen, but they were looking for a reason to actually do it.”
“They’d bloody decided, that’s the reality,” West told political magazine The House.
Anti-war activists hope Chilcot will find the conflict illegal, opening the way for Blair to be prosecuted for war crimes. They will probably be disappointed. Chilcot has stressed that his inquiry is not a court of law, and the International Criminal Court has said that the “decision by the U.K. to go to war in Iraq falls outside the court’s jurisdiction.”
Some British lawmakers hope to deploy an obscure statute last used 200 years ago to impeach Blair and put him on trial before the House of Lords — again, an unlikely outcome.
The inquiry’s main achievement may be to make public historic decisions taken behind closed doors.
Stansfield said the families of British troops killed in Iraq deserve to learn “why Blair made the decisions that he did.”
But he said the report’s most important lessons would be about how the aftermath of the invasion went so disastrously wrong.
Iraq descended into sectarian strife after the occupiers dismantled Saddam’s government and military apparatus, unleashing chaos that helped give rise to the Sunni extremist militants of the Islamic State group.
“In many ways the really important question is, how do we manage post-conflict environments more effectively?” Stansfield said. “We need to learn those lessons from Iraq desperately quickly.”
For many relatives of dead British soldiers, the report is likely to provide little solace.
“People say this should bring closure, but it won’t,” said David Godfrey, whose 21-year-old grandson Daniel Coffey was killed in Iraq in 2007.
“It can’t bring anybody back and won’t stop us feeling what we feel. It’s just another step forward on another long journey.”
July 6, 2016 at 7:28 am #48027znModerator
After 13 years, Chilcot report delivers damning verdict on British role in Iraq WarBy Tim Hume, CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/europe/uk-iraq-inquiry-chilcot-report/
“Military action in Iraq might have been necessary at some point, but in March 2003 there was no imminent threat from Saddam Hussein,” John Chilcot, chairman of a British inquiry into the UK’s role in the Iraq War, said Wednesday.
The “strategy of containment” could have continued for some time, he said.Speaking ahead of the release of the long-awaited report in London, Chilcot said former British Prime Minister Tony Blair was warned of the risks of regional instability and the rise of terrorism before the invasion of Iraq, but pressed on regardless.
The UK failed to appreciate the complexity of governing Iraq, and did not devote enough forces to the task of securing the country in the wake of the invasion, he said.
Blair’s decision to invade Iraq was influenced by his interest in protecting the UK’s relationship with the United States, he said.
That relationship “does not require unconditional support where our interests and judgments differ,” said Chilcot.
The inquiry did not express a view on whether the invasion was legal, he said, arguing that that was a decision for another forum.John Chilcot, chairman of a British inquiry into the country’s role in the Iraq War, said in releasing the report that Britain joined the invasion of Iraq “before the peaceful options had been exhausted,” and that preparations for the aftermath were “wholly inadequate.”
UK policy was based on “flawed intelligence and assessments,” he said. “They were not challenged and they should have been.”
Hindsight was not necessary to identify the risks of what would happen to the country post-invasion, he said: “The risks… were each explicitly identified before the invasion.”
Furthermore, the legal basis for the war was “far from satisfactory,” he said.
“The people of Iraq have suffered greatly,” he said.
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Britain’s long-awaited inquiry into the country’s involvement in the Iraq War will be released Wednesday, placing former Prime Minister Tony Blair’s actions in leading the country into a deeply unpopular conflict under comprehensive scrutiny.
Protesters began gathering outside the London office building where the report is to be released at 11 a.m. local time (6 a.m. ET) Wednesday, as the politicians who launched the deadly invasion more than 13 years ago — most notably Blair — braced themselves for the fallout from the report.
The Iraq Inquiry — widely known as the Chilcot report, after inquiry chairman John Chilcot — was commissioned in June 2009 by Blair’s successor, Gordon Brown, following pressure from the public and parliament.
Charged with examining the build-up to the conflict, the war itself and its bloody aftermath — over a period from 2001 to 2009 — the inquiry was initially expected to take a year to complete.
Instead it has taken more than seven — longer than the war itself — with the final report running to 2.6 million words across 12 volumes.Britain’s decision to go join the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003 was perhaps its most controversial foreign policy decision in the modern era.
Britain’s Parliament approved the war — ostensibly to remove Saddam Hussein and rid the country of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) — shortly before the invasion, although U.N. approval was not gained and millions marched in the streets in protest.Hussein was removed and later executed. But the WMD threat was found to have been exaggerated and the promise to turn a dictatorship into a democracy was never delivered on.
Instead, the country descended into years of vicious sectarian conflict, with large swathes seized by terror group ISIS.More than 250,000 people have died violent deaths since the 2003 invasion, according to the Iraq Body Count project, while millions of Iraqis have been made homeless in the conflict with ISIS.
On the British side, 179 service personnel were killed in the conflict.
Calls for further action against Blair
Blair is expected to give a statement some time after the release of the report today, as is outgoing prime minister David Cameron, who supported the war as a backbench MP, and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who fervently opposed it.There have been calls for Blair — who gave evidence to the inquiry twice — to be charged with war crimes over Iraq, but it is considered unlikely that the report will issue a decision on the legality of the war.
Speaking to British broadcasters on Tuesday night ahead of the launch of the report, Chilcot, a retired senior civil servant, said the report would not avoid criticizing key figures where warranted.
“I made very clear right at the start of the inquiry that if we came across decisions or behavior which deserved criticism, then we wouldn’t shy away from making it,” he said. “Indeed, there have been more than a few instances where we are bound to do that.
“But we shall do it on a base of a rigorous analysis of the evidence that supports that finding. We are not a court — not a judge or jury at work — but we’ve tried to apply the highest possible standards of rigorous analysis to the evidence where we make a criticism.”
An overriding aim of the inquiry will be to ensure Britain never goes to war in future without having made a comprehensive assessment of the situation, he said.One key issue expected to be addressed in the inquiry, which had access to a redacted version of Blair and then-U.S. President George W. Bush’s communications: what was said between the leaders in the build-up to the invasion?
Others include: why did the intelligence around WMDs prove to be so off-target?
What were the circumstances surrounding then attorney general Peter Goldsmith’s change of heart over the legal footing of the war? (He initially said that further U.N. Security Council approval was needed, before changing his stance days ahead of the invasion.)
And did Britain’s military commanders fail to adequately prepare for the war and its aftermath?
The report is embargoed until after Chilcot makes a public statement at its release, but an embargoed version has been provided to a group including politicians, journalists and the families of victims — some of whom have already expressed fears that the report will be a whitewash.
CNN political contributor Robin Oakley said, after seven years in the making, the report may fail to live up to the high expectations some held out for it that it would bring leaders to account for the war.
“It started in an age when you could keep things much more covered in terms of what goes on in government,” he said.
“Now expectations worldwide have been raised in terms of the amount me expect to know about how decisions are taken… I think in those terms, it might be a disappointment.”
The reputations of many of the key figures under scrutiny had already taken a hammering in the eyes of the public the intervening years, he said.July 6, 2016 at 7:34 am #48029wvParticipantWell I assume it will follow the usual blueprint. They will find that “mistakes were made”.
“well-meaning but flawed leaders tried to bring democracy to barbarians but failed”.
I assume that will be the major-meme. Ya know. The mainstream-vietnam-meme all over again.
w
vJuly 6, 2016 at 7:55 am #48035znModeratorWell I assume it will follow the usual blueprint. They will find that “mistakes were made”.
“well-meaning but flawed leaders tried to bring democracy to barbarians but failed”.
I assume that will be the major-meme. Ya know. The mainstream-vietnam-meme all over again.
w
vWell, so far, no…it’s different from that.
I don’t think it would be what you or I would write (if we had millions of dollars of resources to do it).
But it also isn’t quite what you;re expecting, I think.
In fact many of the critiques we made about the war here, on version 1 of this board, are in that report (near as I can tell so far).
And to keep side-tracking, part of what interests me about this is how much WE said here(ish) as a group turned out to be just dead on. It was a great group effort of inter-educating. Better even than anything I had around me in the real world, though ostensibly my real world comrades should have been on top of things (they really weren’t though).
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July 6, 2016 at 1:15 pm #48075wvParticipantAnd to keep side-tracking, part of what interests me about this is how much WE said here(ish) as a group turned out to be just dead on. It was a great group effort of inter-educating. Better even than anything I had around me in the real world, though ostensibly my real world comrades should have been on top of things (they really weren’t though).
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Well just so you know, I am not reading a 2.6 million-word report.
I would be willing to read a condensed Haiku
version, though.w
vJuly 6, 2016 at 4:27 pm #48088znModeratorChilcot report: Tony Blair’s Iraq War case not justified
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36712735
Tony Blair overstated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, sent ill-prepared troops into battle and had “wholly inadequate” plans for the aftermath, the UK’s Iraq War inquiry has said.
Chairman Sir John Chilcot said the 2003 invasion was not the “last resort” action presented to MPs and the public.
There was no “imminent threat” from Saddam – and the intelligence case was “not justified”, he said.
Mr Blair apologised for any mistakes made but not the decision to go to war.The report, which has taken seven years, is on the Iraq Inquiry website. http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/
Prime Minister David Cameron, who voted for war in 2003, told MPs it was important to “really learn the lessons for the future” and to improve the workings of government and how it treats legal advice.
And he added: “Sending our brave troops on to the battlefield without the right equipment was unacceptable and, whatever else we learn from this conflict, we must all pledge this will never happen again.”
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn – who voted against military action – said the report proved the Iraq War had been an “act of military aggression launched on a false pretext”, something he said which has “long been regarded as illegal by the overwhelming weight of international opinion”.
After meeting relatives of British service people killed in Iraq, Mr Corbyn said: “I now apologise sincerely on behalf of my party for the disastrous decision to go to war.”
He urged the UK to back moves to give the International Criminal Court “the power to prosecute those responsible for the crime of military aggression”.
A spokesman for some of the families of the 179 British service personnel and civilians killed in Iraq between 2003 and 2009 said their loved ones had died “unnecessarily and without just cause and purpose”.
He said all options were being considered, including asking those responsible for the failures identified in the report to “answer for their actions in the courts if such process is found to be viable”.Analysis
By Peter Hunt, BBC correspondent
It’s been a long wait.
It may prove to have been a worthwhile wait for the people who have always opposed the Iraq War.
Remember, one million individuals took to the streets in 2003 in opposition to the march to war.
They will seize on this Inquiry’s judgement that Saddam Hussein didn’t pose an immediate threat and military action at that time was not a last resort.
Those seeking action against Tony Blair are likely to be disappointed – but probably not that surprised – that a panel which didn’t include any lawyers, hasn’t expressed a view on whether military action was legal.
Sir John Chilcot’s public remarks were peppered with the word “failure”.
But he was careful not to apportion blame.
Others will now do that on the evidence his report has placed in the public domain.
The political space will be filled with claims and counter claims about a war in Iraq where – as Sir John Chilcot put it – its people have suffered greatly.
In a nearly two hour news conference he said he would never agree that those who died or were injured in Iraq “made their sacrifice in vain” as they had played their part in “the defining global security struggle of the 21st century against the terrorism and violence which the world over destroys lives, divides communities”.
Quizzed about what he was apologising for, he said: “There is no inconsistency in expressing my sorrow for those that have lost their lives – my regret and my apology for the mistakes – but still saying I believe the decision was right. There is no inconsistency in that.”
He said the US would have launched an invasion “either with or us or without us”, adding: “I had to decide. I thought of Saddam and his record, the character of his regime. I thought of our alliance with America and its importance to us in the post 9/11 world and I weighed it carefully with the heaviest of hearts.”Mr Blair, who was PM from 1997 to 2007, conceded that intelligence on Iraq’s weapons had “turned out to be wrong” and the invasion had destabilised Iraq but said he still believed the country was “better off” without Saddam, comparing it with the situation in Syria where the decision had been taken not to intervene.
He also said he should have “disclosed” the attorney general’s legal advice to the Cabinet on the eve of war – but he defended his close relationship with President Bush, saying: “we are better to be strongly onside with the US”, arguing that it was “better for our own security”.The key points of the report
Sir John, the ex-civil servant who chaired the inquiry, describes the Iraq War as an intervention that went “badly wrong” with consequences still being felt to this day – and he set out lessons to be learned for future conflicts.
His report, which is 2.6 million words, does not make a judgement on whether Mr Blair or his ministers were in breach of international law.
But it does highlight a catalogue of errors in political and military decision-making, including:UK military commanders made “over-optimistic assessments” of their capabilities which had led to “bad decisions”
There was “little time” to properly prepare three military brigades for deployment in Iraq. The risks were neither “properly identified nor fully exposed” to ministers, resulting in “equipment shortfalls”
Policy on the Iraq invasion was made on the basis of flawed intelligence assessments. It was not challenged, and should have been
Mr Blair overestimated his ability to influence US decisions on Iraq; and the UK’s relationship with the US does not require unconditional support
In his statement, Sir John said military action against Saddam Hussein might have been necessary “at some point” but that when Britain joined the US-led invasion in March 2003, the Iraqi dictator posed “no imminent threat”, the existing strategy of containment could be continued and the majority of UN Security Council members supported continuing UN inspections and monitoring”.
He added: “The judgements about the severity of the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of a mass destruction – WMD – were presented with a certainty that was not justified. Despite explicit warnings, the consequences of the invasion were underestimated.”Blair/Bush memos
Previously classified documents, including 31 personal memos from Tony Blair to then US president George W Bush, have been published alongside the Chilcot Report.
They show that momentum in Washington and London towards taking action against Saddam Hussein quickly began to build in the wake of the 9/11 attacks in 2001 in the US, which killed nearly 3,000 people.
On the day after the attack on New York’s Twin Towers, Mr Blair sent a note to President Bush offering his support to bring to justice the hijackers and looked ahead to the “next stage after this evil”.
Mr Blair said some would “baulk” at the measures necessary to control “biological, chemical and other weapons of mass destruction”, but added: “We are better to act now and explain and justify our actions than let the day be put off until some further, perhaps even worse, catastrophe occurs.”The memos reveal that Mr Blair and Mr Bush were openly discussing toppling Saddam Hussein as early as December 2001, when the UK and US had just launched military action in Afghanistan.
“How we finish in Afghanistan is important to phase 2. If we leave it a better country, having supplied humanitarian aid and having given new hope to the people, we will not just have won militarily but morally; and the coalition will back us to do more elsewhere,” says Mr Blair in the memo.
“We shall give regime change a good name which will help in our arguments over Iraq.”
In another memo, from July 2002 – nearly a year before the invasion of Iraq – Mr Blair assured President Bush that the UK would be with him “whatever,” but adds that if Mr Bush wanted a wider military coalition he would have to get UN backing, make progress on Middle East peace and engineer a “shift” in public opinion in the US, UK and the Arab World.The note, marked “personal,” was shared with then Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, but not then defence Secretary Geoff Hoon – a decision criticised by Sir John, who is scathing about the way the collective Cabinet discussion was bypassed by the Blair government.
Intelligence failures
The way decisions were made by the government have been criticised
Sir John echoes the criticisms made in earlier reports into the Iraq War of the use of intelligence about Saddam’s alleged weapons of mass destruction to justify war.
It says the assessed intelligence had not established “beyond doubt” that Saddam Hussein had continued to produce chemical and biological weapons.
Of Mr Blair’s September 2002 statement warning that Saddam Hussein had an arsenal of biological and chemical weapons that could be launched within 45 minutes of the command to use them, Sir John says: “The judgements about Iraq’s capabilities in that statement, and in the dossier published on the same day, were presented with a certainty that was not justified.”
On the eve of war Mr Blair told MPs that he judged that the possibility of terror groups in possession of weapons of mass destruction was a “real and present danger to Britain and its national security”.
“Mr Blair had been warned, however, that military action would increase the threat from al-Qaeda to the UK and UK interests. He had also been warned that an invasion might lead to Iraq’s weapons and capabilities being transferred into the hands of terrorists,” said Sir John.The legality of the war
The then attorney general Lord Goldsmith advised Mr Blair to seek explicit UN authorisation for military action but when diplomatic efforts failed, informed him that intervention was lawful on the basis of previous UN resolutions on Iraq relating back to the 1991 Gulf War.
Sir John said the report did not make a judgement on the legality or otherwise of the war – pointing out that participants did not give evidence under oath and his findings had no legal force.
But he added: “The circumstances in which it was decided that there was a legal basis for UK military action were far from satisfactory.”
In the report he says Lord Goldsmith should have been asked to set out in writing how he arrived at his change of view.
When the UK failed to get a UN resolution specifically authorising military action in March 2003, Mr Blair and then foreign secretary Jack Straw blamed France for an “impasse” in the UN and said the UK government was “acting of behalf of the international community to “uphold the authority of the Security Council”.
But Sir John concludes that the opposite was true. “In the absence of a majority in support of military action, we consider that the UK was, in fact, undermining the Security Council’s authority,” he said in his statement.Post-war planning and aftermath
Much of the report focuses on the post-war planning for the governance of Iraq, originally undertaken by the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, and how well equipped British troops were to oversee the large area of southern Iraq around Basra.
Many of the witnesses to the inquiry, including former ministers and military commanders, were highly critical of what they said were failures in the Ministry of Defence to provide the necessary resources and equipment and the UK’s general deferral to the US in key areas.
In his statement, Sir John said: “We have found that the Ministry of Defence was slow in responding to the threat of improvised explosive devices and that delays in providing adequate medium weight protected patrol vehicles should not have been tolerated.
“It was not clear which person or department or department within the Ministry of Defence was responsible for identifying and articulating such capability gaps. But it should have been.”
Mr Blair told the inquiry the difficulties encountered in Iraq after the invasion could not have been known in advance but the inquiry says, the risks of “internal strife”, regional instability and al-Qaeda activity in Iraq were each “explicitly identified before the invasion”.
“The planning and preparations for Iraq after Saddam Hussein were wholly inadequate. The government failed to achieve its stated objectives.”
The report acknowledged that the initial campaign to overthrow Saddam was successful and praised the “great courage” of service personnel and civilians involved during and after the invasion, which led to the deaths of more than 200 UK nationals and at least 150,000 Iraqis.
But the report adds that Britain’s military role “ended a very long way from success” and it was “humiliating” that British troops was reduced to doing deals with a local militia group in Basra, releasing captured militants in return for an end to attacks on British forces.July 6, 2016 at 4:35 pm #48089znModeratorThey will find that “mistakes were made”.
“well-meaning but flawed leaders tried to bring democracy to barbarians but failed”.
I assume that will be the major-meme. Ya know. The mainstream-vietnam-meme all over again.
w
vWell, so far, no…it’s different from that.
I don’t think it would be what you or I would write (if we had millions of dollars of resources to do it).
But it also isn’t quite what you;re expecting, I think.
Enh.
Having read more at this point, it’s not as different from what you were expecting as I first thought.
It’s not as bad as a Time magazine style whitewash.
But…it doesn’t go where it ought to go.
July 6, 2016 at 4:42 pm #48091wvParticipantVid, fwiw:
July 11, 2016 at 2:56 am #48441znModeratorIraq War, Based on Lies, Rages On
By Amy Goodman and Denis Moynihan
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/7/http_wwwtruthdigcom_report_item_the_iraq
A devastating report on the U.K.’s eager participation in the invasion and occupation of Iraq was released this week, as corpses are still being pulled from the rubble in the aftermath of Baghdad’s largest suicide truck bombing since that ill-fated 2003 invasion began. The document is known as “The Chilcot Report,” after its principal investigator and author, Sir John Chilcot. The inquiry was commissioned in 2009 by Britain’s then-Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Chilcot released the 6,000-page report Wednesday morning, seven years after the work began. It offers a litany of critiques against former Prime Minister Tony Blair and his Cabinet, exposing the exaggeration of the threat of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and Blair’s unwavering fealty to President George W. Bush. “It is now clear that policy on Iraq was made on the basis of flawed intelligence and assessments. … They were not challenged,” Chilcot writes in his statement that accompanied the report’s release.
One memo included in the report, from Blair to Bush in July 2002, months before the invasion, opens with Blair’s pledge to Bush, “I will be with you, whatever.” Many, including Parliament members from his own Labour Party, are calling for Blair to be tried for war crimes. As the United Kingdom, still consumed by political chaos in the wake of the Brexit vote, reacts to the Chilcot report, people in Baghdad are reeling from Saturday’s bombing. The death toll from the attack has climbed to 250. George W. Bush, unapologetically, said through a spokesman that he “continues to believe the whole world is better off without Saddam Hussein in power.” He was said to be hosting wounded veterans on his ranch in Texas.
The British military suffered far fewer casualties than the Americans, with 179 killed, compared with 4,502 from U.S. forces (seven of whom were killed in 2016). Trillions of dollars have been spent on the invasion and occupation, and trillions more will be spent on the lifetime of care for the wounded and emotionally damaged veterans. But by far the largest, the most incalculable toll has been paid by the Iraqi people. As this most recent, incredibly massive bombing attests, the war in Iraq has not ended. Several efforts have been made to count the number of war dead, with the low end of those estimates at 160,000-180,000 killed. Some studies have put the number at several times that. The exact number is impossible to determine, but the effect on the people of Iraq has been devastating, and the damage will be felt for generations.
The British pronouncement was clear: “Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies, but as liberators.” This was not in 2003, though. It was 1917. War raged across Europe, and the British Navy was heavily dependent on oil from Iraq and the Persian Gulf. As the detailed historical annex attached to the Chilcot Report reads, “To secure this oil for Britain, in the spring of 1914 the First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill, acquired for the British Government a 51 percent share in the Anglo-Persian Oil Company.” And thus has the past century of occupation, exploitation, repression, violence and grief been seared into the lives of Iraqis and into the history of Iraq.
This is more than history to Sami Ramadani. He is an Iraqi-born, London-based exile from the Saddam Hussein regime, who has long organized against not only the invasion and occupation of Iraq, but also against the devastating sanctions that preceded it. “Iraq, as a society, as a state, was destroyed in the cruelest of fashions—shock and awe, mass crimes on an untold scale since World War II and the Vietnam War,” he told us on the “Democracy Now!” news hour, shortly after the report was released. “It wasn’t removing the dictator that was the real objective, but really controlling Iraq. And failing to control it, they eventually destroyed it, just like they are doing in Libya, they are doing in Syria and so on. It fits in within that scale. But the biggest tragedy of all is the loss of life.”
Just one year after the invasion, at the Radio and Television Correspondents’ Association annual dinner in Washington, D.C., President Bush joked to the hundreds of journalists at the gathering, “Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere.” Slides of Bush crouched on the floor of the Oval Office, looking for WMDs under the furniture, accompanied his comedy routine. As dead U.S. service members were brought back to Dover Air Force Base, where photographing the body bags was banned, and while Iraqi corpses piled up in streets and morgues, Bush’s behavior was unfathomable. War is no joke. In the wake of the Chilcot Report, there should be a serious effort to hold those, like Bush and Blair, accountable for the ongoing death and destruction in Iraq, and beyond.
July 11, 2016 at 9:51 am #48447ZooeyModerator“It is now clear that policy on Iraq was made on the basis of flawed intelligence and assessments. … They were not challenged,” Chilcot writes in his statement that accompanied the report’s release.
Flawed.
There it is right there. That’s the fig leaf the establishment has put on this tragic debacle.
“Flawed” suggests that “Hey, we did the best we could, but we are only human, and humans sometimes get things wrong. We trusted our Intelligence apparatus, but for some flukey reason we wouldn’t like to specifically investigate, they made some mistakes, and gosh darn it.”
It wasn’t flawed. It was falsified, and exaggerated. Outright fabrications. Lies of omission. False narratives. And the burden of proof was placed on Iraq to prove a negative – like prove to me you’re not cheating on your wife. You can’t prove that. You can’t prove you don’t have something.
We also knew that even if they did have WMD, they were no good because they were well past their expiration date. We also knew there was no evidence that Iraq intended to use them even if they had them.
The burden of proof has to be on the government that starts the war. And the world recognized that which is why most of the planet opposed the invasion.
Flawed.
July 11, 2016 at 10:43 am #48455wvParticipant“It is now clear that policy on Iraq was made on the basis of flawed intelligence and assessments. … They were not challenged,” Chilcot writes in his statement that accompanied the report’s release.
Flawed.
There it is right there. That’s the fig leaf the establishment has put on this tragic debacle.
“Flawed” suggests that “Hey, we did the best we could, but we are only human, and humans sometimes get things wrong. We trusted our Intelligence apparatus, but for some flukey reason we wouldn’t like to specifically investigate, they made some mistakes, and gosh darn it.”
It wasn’t flawed. It was falsified, and exaggerated. Outright fabrications. Lies of omission. False narratives. And the burden of proof was placed on Iraq to prove a negative – like prove to me you’re not cheating on your wife. You can’t prove that. You can’t prove you don’t have something.
We also knew that even if they did have WMD, they were no good because they were well past their expiration date. We also knew there was no evidence that Iraq intended to use them even if they had them.
The burden of proof has to be on the government that starts the war. And the world recognized that which is why most of the planet opposed the invasion.
Flawed.
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Yup. My thots exactly.
And its what I always expect when the system
investigates itself.w
vJuly 11, 2016 at 11:46 am #48464bnwBlockedIt was a False Flag.
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July 11, 2016 at 12:00 pm #48467Billy_TParticipantWe also knew that even if they did have WMD, they were no good because they were well past their expiration date. We also knew there was no evidence that Iraq intended to use them even if they had them.
I said at the time it didn’t even matter if Saddam had WMD. He couldn’t use them. No air force, we controlled his skies, he was beyond isolated and alone.
He didn’t attack us even at his height of power, and when we attacked him at his height, it took a few weeks to defeat his entire military. By the time we get to 2002/2003, he’s a shadow of a shadow of his former self, and that former self knew it couldn’t defeat us.
Nation states know if they attack us it’s national suicide. That’s why the only people who do are non-state actors, almost always in tiny cells, scattered around the globe.
Hussein was never a threat, with or without WMD.
July 11, 2016 at 12:01 pm #48468Billy_TParticipantIt was a False Flag.
What was a false flag?
July 11, 2016 at 12:36 pm #48476bnwBlockedIt was a False Flag.
What was a false flag?
The decider’s justification for invading Iraq.
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July 11, 2016 at 2:30 pm #48480znModeratorThe decider’s justification for invading Iraq.
Were you saying all that at the time? Not challenging you, just curious.
I will say this. This board, or its original version, grew out of an interest by many in getting beyond mainstream media stuff on the build up to the war. We pretty much pieced together the fact that on every single level, there was no justification for it. It was a very involved, multi-faceted discussion.
July 11, 2016 at 4:22 pm #48481bnwBlockedThe decider’s justification for invading Iraq.
Were you saying all that at the time? Not challenging you, just curious.
I will say this. This board, or its original version, grew out of an interest by many in getting beyond mainstream media stuff on the build up to the war. We pretty much pieced together the fact that on every single level, there was no justification for it. It was a very involved, multi-faceted discussion.
Yes I was against not because I had proof but because it didn’t pass the smell test. It was about personal revenge on dubya’s part as well as an oil grab.
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July 11, 2016 at 4:48 pm #48483wvParticipantYes I was against not because I had proof but because it didn’t pass the smell test. It was about personal revenge on dubya’s part as well as an oil grab.
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Well, yes, Oil and Bush’s macho/insecure personality played a part,
I’d say.Oil plays a part in a lot of Dem/Rep algebra,
it seems. Control the oil-spigot and you control/influence
other governments. I’m oversimplifying obviously.btw, i am pleased to see that you can pick on a Replicant.
The Decider was about as bad as it gets.w
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