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July 16, 2016 at 9:59 am #48854znModerator
I don’t know what righties, centrists, or liberals think of Pence.
But for leftists…Pence is a freeee-keeeng nightmare.
And I don’t mean he scares me or is formidable, I mean he is all horrorshow.
I have family in Indiana. Pence is vile. He is the hardcore koch brothers ideologue type. If this were a movie, he would be the loudmouth asshole politician who spouts off in an early scene so we would cheer in a later scene when the dinosaurs eat him.
July 16, 2016 at 10:05 am #48856Billy_TParticipantI don’t know what righties, centrists, or liberals think of Pence.
But for leftists…Pence is a freeee-keeeng nightmare.
And I don’t mean he scares me or is formidable, I mean he is all horrorshow.
I have family in Indiana. Pence is vile. He is the hardcore koch brothers ideologue type. If this were a movie, he would be the loudmouth asshole politician who spouts off in an early scene so we would cheer in a later scene when the dinosaurs eat him.
I thought it was a done deal. Though Trump apparently tried to dump him late last night. Changed his mind. Was confused about what to do in light of the lone wolf attack in Nice.
Yeah, he’s vile. A rabid-right religious zealot/bigot, too. I’d be interested in hearing what Trump supporters think of him as well.
July 16, 2016 at 10:36 am #48857wvParticipantYer basic religious-right winger.
http://www.ontheissues.org/IN/Mike_Pence.htmThing is, from a purely politix-as-horse-race
perspective — how does this get Trump more votes?
He already had the rightwing evangelicals didnt he?
Or maybe he had to make this deal to keep them.
Similar to maybe how HIllary will have to appoint
a left-leaning VP to keep the Bernie voters.Its all about the Undecideds now. But honestly,
who they hell are THEY? Trump vs Hillary vs Indy Candidates — who
could still be undecided?w
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July 16, 2016 at 1:18 pm #48861znModeratorPeriods For Pence Has Come Back With A Vengeance
http://www.bustle.com/articles/172933-periods-for-pence-has-come-back-with-a-vengeance
Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump announced Friday morning on Twitter that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence would be his running mate in the 2016 presidential election. Pence has been at the center of some nightmarish anti-abortion legislation in Indiana. In April, he signed a bill forcing women to disclose their reasons for terminating a pregnancy and criminalizing doctors who provided the service, which prompted women around the state to call his office and report on their periods since the governor was so concerned with their private matters. The protest, called Periods for Pence, is back and targeting the Trump HQ this time.
Once the news that Pence would be Trump’s running mate this fall was confirmed on Friday, the Periods for Pence Facebook page shared the Trump campaign headquarters phone number, and called on women across the country to call with information about “those hoo-has.” Women took to the thread right away, asking, “Does this mean women all over the US can start bugging Trump now with our hoo-ha activity?” Another asked, “Does this mean I can call Trump directly about the blood coming out of my wherever?” referencing Trump’s prior comments about Megyn Kelly.
STAT News reported that the group’s organizer — who is also collaborating with another social media campaign, “Tampons for Trump” — renewed the call to action because, “Since Trump chose Pence then he must have as deep a concern about women’s health care and reproductive issues, so he should probably know about them too.”
Trump has hardly been a proponent of reproductive rights and justice, not only calling for the punishment of women who seek abortions, but also engaging in a number of misogynistic comments and actions related to women’s appearances, sexual assault, and sexual health. For instance, Trump once suggested that women joining the military would obviously lead to higher rates of sexual violence, and tweeted unflattering photos of his opponent Ted Cruz’s wife during his primary campaign.
Trump has made harsh comments about abortion as well, suggesting, “I am pro-life. … Public funding of abortion providers is an insult to people of conscience at the least and an affront to good governance at best.” It was only a matter of time before women would respond to Pence’s addition to the Trump campaign since Pence was once concerned with Indiana women’s private sexual and reproductive matters.
One woman from Utah wrote to the page, “I asked where to send my used tampons for proper legal disposal in case of a miscarriage.” Another woman shared, “I called and left a message. Told them since Pence was a possible running mate I better start giving them a daily report on my reproductive cycle.” Another said she called to say she was confused about what to do in regards to her “uterus now that Pence is running.”
Now that Pence has joined team Trump, the campaign staff might just have to get used to calls regarding reproductive health.
July 16, 2016 at 1:25 pm #48864znModerator10 things you should know about Mike Pence, Donald Trump’s running mate
After weeks of intrigue, and a chaotic 24 hours, Donald Trump is choosing Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) as his vice presidential running mate.
Pence was among the safer choices on Trump’s short list, in part because there were few options more different than Trump himself. The governor is a well-known and generally well-liked figure in Republican circles. He’s been in public office since 2000, most of that time in Congress. And he’s got social conservative cred that could shore up support for the ticket among evangelicals who are wary of Trump.
Here’s what you need to know about him:
1. Yes, he’s that guy from the last year’s religious freedom debate.
Pence was already well known and respected in Republican circles when he was elected governor of Indiana in 2012. But he became a household name when he signed a religious freedom bill into law in 2015. Pence said it would extend legal protections to Indiana business owners who didn’t want to participate in same-sex weddings, citing their religious beliefs; opponents argued that he was sanctioning discrimination.
The law got so much attention that at the 2015 White House correspondents’ dinner, President Obama joked he and Vice President Biden were so close that “in some places in Indiana, they won’t serve us pizza anymore.”
After a week of taking heat from Democrats, LGBT activists, corporate America and the NBA, Pence signed an amendment, saying it’s not okay to use it to discriminate against gay people. But that didn’t quell activists’ criticism of the law, nor did it boost Pence’s tanking approval ratings.
2. He’s a social conservative.
Pence is a devout evangelical Christian who regularly talks about his faith. (He likes to describe himself as “a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order.”) This spring, Pence signed into law one of the strictest abortion laws in the nation. Indiana is now the second state in the nation to ban abortions when the fetus has a disability, a law likely to be challenged in court.
But not all social conservatives are thrilled with Pence now: Some thought he backed off last year’s religious freedom debate under pressure from liberal groups.
3. He’s facing a competitive reelection.
At least, he was. Pence will have to drop out of his reelection bid now — which may be a good thing for him, given the religious freedom debate did Pence no favors in his reelection bid. Sensing an opportunity in a state that’s been trending red lately, Democrats re-recruited businessman John Gregg, who has described himself as a “gun-totin,’ Bible-quotin,’ Southern Indiana Democrat.” Pence and Gregg have matched up against each other before: Gregg lost to Pence in 2012 by 3.2 percentage points in an election in which Pence failed to get 50 percent of the vote. The race made our list of top 5 seats most likely to flip.
Now, Indiana Republicans have to scramble to find a replacement four months before the election.
4. He was an early advocate for the tea party movement.
One of Pence’s former advisers told NBC that even before the 2010 summer of discontent between conservatives and the establishment, Pence was tuned into the populist strain of the party. While in Congress, he voted against big spending bills that the tea party would come to loathe.
5. He endorsed Ted Cruz for president.
The political world’s eyes were again on Pence this spring when his state had the potential to determine the winner of the Republican presidential primary. Pence came under scrutiny for being unusually quiet about who he’d support, a reflection of how the primary divided the populist strain of the GOP and its leaders. Four days before the primary, he finally, somewhat halfheartedly, said he’d be voting for Ted Cruz. But Pence tried to tack on a political insurance policy in case Trump won the state by adding, “I’m not against anybody,” which may not have been the boldest pronouncement but certainly seems to have been the most politically savvy.
Trump did win Indiana by almost 20 percentage points. Cruz dropped out that night, and Pence said he’d support Trump as the nominee.
[Why endorsing Ted Cruz wasn’t an easy call for Mike Pence]
6. Paul Ryan likes him.
Before becoming governor of Indiana in 2013, Pence spent six terms in Congress, where he served on committees that dealt with foreign affairs and technology and was generally well-liked and respected by his colleagues. Over time, he smoothed out his populist, tea party edges and rose to some of the highest ranks in the party. In 2008, his colleagues elected him to the House GOP’s No. 3 spot, Republican Conference chairman, a job dedicated to shaping the party’s messaging after it got slammed in the 2008 elections. (Republicans took back the House in 2010.)
Pence seems to have maintained his ties on Capitol Hill after leaving it. This week, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said Pence is a “personal friend.”
And before he came to Congress, Pence hosted a talk radio show, calling himself “Rush Limbaugh on decaf.”
7. He once challenged John Boehner for his party’s leadership spot in the House.
Pence may have harbored dreams of being House speaker himself. In 2006, while Republicans were still in the minority, Pence decided to run for the leader of the party against a veteran GOP congressman from Ohio, John Boehner. It didn’t go so well. Pence, who positioned himself as the conservative in the race, lost in a vote among fellow House Republicans 168 to 27.
8. He’s long been viewed as a potential presidential candidate.
In 2010, conservative activists at a Values Voter Summit voted Pence their top choice for a 2012 presidential candidate, a key test of grass-roots support (but not one that’s necessarily indicative of success). Interestingly, Pence’s 2016 veep competition, former House speaker Newt Gingrich, was also on that straw poll and came in fourth.
Pence’s name was also floated in 2008 as a potential presidential contender. Pence decided to stay in Indiana and run for governor, where he eked out a win against Gregg.
9. He’s got ties to the Koch brothers.
The billionaire brothers have so far stayed out of the presidential race, a sign they’re no fans of Trump. But their 2016 involvement could change with Pence by Trump’s side: The résumés of several of Pence’s top aides also include stints with the Koch brothers’ vast corporate and political networks.
UPDATE: Our crack money in politics reporter Matea Gold reports that the Koch brothers don’t plan on getting involved in the presidential race even if their guy Pence is the GOP’s No. 2.
10. He grew up as a Democrat.
And idolizing John F. Kennedy. Pence told CBN News in a 2010 interview: “It may be that I grew up in a big Irish Catholic family like he did. Maybe it was that my grandparents were so proud of the first Irish Catholic president.” He even still has a box of Kennedy memorabilia.
July 16, 2016 at 8:05 pm #48871ZooeyModeratorWell, I would say that the choice of Pence will wipe out the vast majority of Sanders supporters who thought they might vote for Trump over Hillary.
I don’t see any votes gained with this pick; I see some lost.
July 16, 2016 at 8:37 pm #48873bnwBlockedWell, I would say that the choice of Pence will wipe out the vast majority of Sanders supporters who thought they might vote for Trump over Hillary.
I don’t see any votes gained with this pick; I see some lost.
Pence was picked to solidify the conservative base.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
July 22, 2016 at 2:03 pm #49137joemadParticipantKasich seemed like the only “normal” guy during the Republican primary debates….. I guess he is, since he turned down Trump for VP. the guy is from Ohio and didn’t even attend the convention, ………but hey at least they got Chachi to speak
I think Kasich might have sealed the presidency for Trump if he took the offer.
URL = http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/20/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump-vice-president/
Trump, Kasich feud over ‘most powerful’ VP offer
By Sara Murray, Dana Bash and Jim Acosta, CNN
Updated 9:02 AM ET, Thu July 21, 2016Sources: John Kasich turned down Trump VP offer
(CNN) — Donald Trump and John Kasich’s teams are at war over whether the Republican presidential nominee ever seriously wanted the Ohio governor to join the ticket.
Multiple sources close to Kasich said Trump’s son, Donald Jr., tried to entice Kasich with a position as the most powerful vice president in history, but he turned it down. Kasich would have been in charge of all domestic and foreign policy in a Trump White House, Kasich sources said.
But Trump’s communications adviser insisted Wednesday that, while a call occurred between Donald Trump Jr. and top Kasich adviser John Weaver, a vice presidential offer was never on the table.
“It’s completely ridiculous,” Jason Miller said. “There was never an offer made. It’s completely made up.”
Miller added: “Gov. Kasich is just being a sore loser.”
Donald Trump Jr. also denied making such an offer.
“You know the way I conduct myself. Do you really believe I would say, ‘(John Kasich) is in charge of foreign and domestic policy and (Donald Trump) will focus on making America great again’? What am I, a meathead?” he told CNN.
The competing narratives highlight the escalating animosity between the Kasich and Trump campaigns — a dynamic that’s likely to continue unhindered as Donald Trump delivers his biggest speech yet Thursday.
Trump — never one to take stories of rejection lightly — also denied ever personally asking Kasich to be his running mate in a tweet.
“John Kasich was never asked by me to be V.P. Just arrived in Cleveland – will be a great two days!” Trump tweeted.
Kasich sources said the vice presidential back-and-forth began when Donald Trump Jr. reached out to Weaver, Kasich’s adviser, shortly after Kasich dropped out of the race in May.
Weeks later Trump and Kasich spoke on the phone and afterward Weaver sent Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort Kasich’s “Two Paths” speech — a pretty clear signal Kasich had no interest, a Kasich source confirms.
Another Kasich source says there were also separate instances of Trump allies reaching out to Kasich allies asking whether the Ohio governor might consider the VP slot.
Manafort also described the vice presidency in a Trump administration as being similar to the COO of a company in an interview with the Huffington Post in May, a role that would appear consistent with the job being described by Kasich sources.
“He needs an experienced person to do the part of the job he doesn’t want to do. He sees himself more as the chairman of the board, than even the CEO, let alone the COO,” Manafort said.
But on Wednesday, another Trump aide dismissed the news of a vice presidential offer, which was first reported by The New York Times.
“Completely false. His vetting read like a trashy novel,” the aide said, when asked by CNN about the reports.
The Trump campaign compiled a dossier on Kasich, but never actually vetted him.
A source close to Kasich responded by saying, “Their comments are demonstrably false given the effort they put forward — and offer they made — to get Kasich to join the ticket. They must be confusing it with the file on Manafort, which must read like a Russian novella.”
Trump sources have acknowledged, though, that long before Trump settled on Indiana Gov. Mike Pence for his running mate, top Trump aides viewed Kasich as their best bet for winning the White House in November.
Kasich, however, has remained steadfast in his opposition to Trump, following a vicious Republican primary which tore the party in pieces.
The Republican National Committee and the Trump campaign launched a concerted and sometimes public effort to woo Kasich back into the fold ahead in the weeks before the convention. But Kasich rebuked their advances.
This week relations between the two camps have grown even more strained after Manafort told MSNBC that Kasich was “embarrassing his state” by skipping the convention.
Kasich has been trolling the convention in his home state all week — attending fundraisers and talking with delegates everywhere in Cleveland except The Quicken Loans Arena itself.
That was enough Wednesday for Steve Stepanek, co-chairman of the Trump campaign in New Hampshire, to call on delegates to boycott Kasich’s speech to the New Hampshire delegation.
“Gov. Kasich has refused to endorse Donald Trump, he refused to welcome us as Republican delegates to his great state of Ohio. He’s refused to participate in the Republican National Convention, which I think is totally inappropriate,” Stepanek told CNN. “Since he’s refused to participate in the convention or endorse Donald Trump, I think its totally inappropriate to attend any event he is sponsoring.”
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