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Why should i get upset about the (shocking 🙂 notion that other nations
might do it here, or that a politician would make an off the cuff remark
about it.Well in this case it’s a simple matter of consistency. We are against intervention in foreign internal affairs, like elections. We can’t then shrug it off if a presidential candidate recommends a foreign power intervene in OUR elections.
If we are going to be in favor of democracy, then we need to at least be in favor of our own.
I mean unless you think the guy who wouldn’t mind if Putin intervened in OUR election, is going to make the world safe for democracy in other countries.
There is nothing good about Trump, at all. No redeeming quality that makes the unsavory stuff palatable. The stuff on trade for example is nonsense. His own actions as a businessman have already demonstrated that the “stuff on trade” was just a talking point to do well in the rust belt. He has never acted like someone who favors labor-supportive trade policies. He has always actively done the opposite.
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For me there’s only two tribes now. And there’s always, only, been
two tribes. And you know what they are, comrad.w
vApaches and Presbyterians?
I feel the same way about Nationalism. In my youth I was very nationalistic but as I matured and learned it completely eroded away.
You know, the lies that we’re taught in elementary and secondary schools about this country to encourage patriotism don’t help in that regard. It would be easier to be patriotic if we were taught the truth from the beginning – in all its corrupt, imperialistic, genocidal glory. Then we could come to terms with it, move on and try to do better – instead of stupidly believing in our greatness only to be disillusioned later.
But Hillary is Keenum. Trump though is Manziel. I would prefer Goff but anything is better than Manziel.
Well, we could have had Montana but Keenum’s party conspired against him.
Bernie’s own press secretary came out and said it’s nonsense they lost because of what was in those emails. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/tweetstorm-bernie-sanders-former-press-secretary-amazing
The real story to me is that we knew all about all of that a long time ago. We knew Sanders was fighting an entrenched right-centrist party apparatus. And he still did well.
And I would vote for both former president Bushes over Trump.
I will contribute to democratic party reform and/or building a real and viable 3rd party the day after the election.
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WV,
Please don’t misunderstand me. I’m not calling for a “nationalist” stance either. Trump is. I’m just saying if we’re comparing apples to apples, and it’s supposedly “treasonous” for the goose, it’s also “treasonous” for the gander.
Personally, I want no nations. I want a left-anarchist vision of the world. Going back to the Paris Commune of 1871 and its ideals (and intellectual inheritance), and those of the brief Spanish Republic in the 1930s, etc. Scaled up and out. etc. We’ve talked about this before.
If we can have “open borders” for Capital, we can have them for human beings — and get rid of capital in the process. etc. etc.
And, closer to home, I want an end to the surveillance state, the police state, the incarceration state, etc. etc. So it’s not a matter of “foreign espionage” that bothers me. It’s that THE nationalist, nativist, fascist candidate in this race, Trump, is calling for it to further his own political dreams.
I don’t want either of them, as mentioned. I don’t want ANY political parties to have any power in our democracy, frankly. Direct, participatory democracy, with rotational “leadership,” always temporary, via lottery, via a kind of “peace corp” term, etc, instead.
Just saying that if we’re dealing with what exists NOW, in that context, what Trump called for should disqualify him. And it’s not even the worst of what he’s done or said.
And now Trump, at his presser, calls for foreign espionage.
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Well, without getting into a big thing about it — I dont even care about “foreign” “espionage”. I’m so utterly sick of all forms of ‘tribalism’ that i just cant work up any outrage at the notion of “foreign espionage”.
I just dont seem to have a ‘nationalist’ bone in my body anymore.
The US plays the espionage game all over the world. As you know.
The US interferes in other nations politics whenever and wherever it wants. As you know.Why should i get upset about the (shocking
) notion that other nations
might do it here, or that a politician would make an off the cuff quasi-humorous remark about it. It reminds me of when Reagan said “we start the bombing in an hour” or words to that effect. Its just yacking.Anywayz…Am i supposed to be rooting for the American National Security State? Am i supposed root against those evil “foreign spies” ?
I’ll let the Nationalists worry about that.
For me there’s only two tribes now. And there’s always, only, been
two tribes. And you know what they are, comrad.w
vWell you quoted something I didn’t write. I do not know what you mean by two tribes either.
Now regarding cyber espionage no nation does it as well as the US. We truly are #1. Of course we have had the back door keys from the software manufacturers from day 1. We also launched Stuxnet. I don’t doubt another nation either friend or foe could have hacked the DNC emails since that is where in depth dirt on Trump might be found since there is the obvious motivation. Regarding Hildabeasts emails as Sec. of State her tenure being so ineffectual it seems likely other nations were reading them as well.
It could also be organized crime or individuals engaged in hacking these DNC or Hildabeast emails.
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