Trump and Racism

Ildabeast unwilling to campaign other than calling Trump supporters “deplorable” and with Trump surging in the polls the desperation of the left is satisfying. Always playing the race card. The one trick pony that no longer gets attention. Your next president is Donald J. Trump.

• This reply was modified 8 years, 3 months ago by bnw.

Zooey wrote:

Yeah, you know, to people who make a habit of following fact trails, the dismissal of a boatload of evidence with a dismissive wave of the hand – “race card; one trick pony” – without actually dealing with the specific charges only earns a facepalm. It may work in your neck of the woods, but here, on this board, people who see you blithely dismiss specific charges backed up with news stories from a wide array of sources, well, they just see you as a partisan hack without any interest in truth.

I’m not playing to a crowd. I give my opinion. Try it. Its liberating. As for truth do you go after the Ildabeast’s lies? Of course not. Look in the mirror and you’ll see a partisan hack.

Speakin of racism, someone sent me this today, from Ebony :

It’s Time to Admit White Women Are Complicit in Our Oppression

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Trump plays the Republican “blame the media” card that Nixon started and the Grand Old Party has refined over decades. It allows supporters to ignore any evidence, because it’s been, well, reported by the “liberal media.” Makes guys like Trump velcro. Trump’s taken it another step. He also lies continuously, unabashedly, and even contradicts himself from day to day, sometimes in the same day, and it doesn’t matter, because, yeah, the liberal media is the bad guy. It’s amazing the number of things that this guy has done in his life that in a sane world would have disqualified from running for any public office, yet somehow he’s the victim in the press.

Hillary? No, she’s not a friend of the “common man.” But, damned if everything she’s done hasn’t been discussed over and over again. There are many conservative sites whose job basically is to attack Clinton and her allies. She deserves a lot of scrutiny. Any presidential candidate would … which is why Trump deserves as much scrutiny. I mean, imagine if Hillary Clinton was beholden to a foreign bank (Deutsche) for huge loans, and if she was elected President would have to oversee the enforcement of fines on that company for their role in the financial market meltdown that crippled the world economy. OK. Imagine that. She would be blasted continuously. That’s just one of the many shady things about Trump becoming President, and it’s almost never discussed.

bnw wrote:

Typical leftist. Only your opinion has merit. You’re partisan but too invested in acting superior to admit it. Fear mongering away as usual to justify in your mind your overt partisanship. What you dismiss as her “deficiencies” is in reality her being above the law. For decades at that. She called black youth “Super Predators” but through your partisan filter you ignore that while claiming Trump is a racist.

Now put your ear to the ground and you will hear your leftist white knight moderator riding to your defense.

bnw, have you ever considered the possibility that you’re entirely too invested in Trump? Think about it. He’s not family. He’s not your friend. He’s a public figure you’ll likely never, ever meet. Why do you take criticism of Trump so personally? Why do you feel the need to dismiss all of it instantly, with no more than a “BS” or some variation on that theme?

It’s as if you believe he’s a god, a perfect being, who can do no wrong and never has done anything wrong. To me, that’s a fair deduction based on your absolute refusal to accept any criticism directed his way as valid.

It’s one thing for you to say, “Well, I know he’s a flawed human and has done and said some things I don’t like, but Clinton is worse. Here’s why . . . .” That’s a stance I could understand. But on this forum, at least, you’ve never admitted that he isn’t anything but perfect, and you automatically dismiss all critique — without, of course, ever mounting an actual argument saying why you think X, Y or Z is wrong. It’s all absolutely wrong, in your eyes, immediately — it would appear.

I think you’re too close to this, bnw. And you’re so close you take it as a personal attack when people criticize Trump. It’s not. It’s a criticism of him, not you. And it never has to get personal here. There is no reason for that when adults discuss political figures.

I am personally invested in his campaign since it is addressing many of the issues I’ve considered important for over 20 years. The problems of trade imbalance, jobs and job security with outsourcing jobs offshore, illegal immigration, never ending war, saddling future generations with our debt, Wall Street above the law, falling standard of living, healthcare held hostage to politics, interventionist foreign policy, and the need to audit then abolish the Federal Reserve.

I’ve wanted all of this and it is within the Trump campaign that these issues are addressed. Leftists hate the delivery of the message. Too bad. The establishment has had its time and failed. Obama promised change. We received change for the worse in a failing economy, failed foreign policy, by design worsening race relations, insane increases in the cost of healthcare, shovel ready jobs that meant shovel the public money to political cronies and failed green energy tech companies, and the deliberate policy to menace Russia.

Trump addresses the real issues. I expect him to make real progress when president.

I don’t overlook his imperfections. I see them. He’s human. He’s new to politics and thus his delivery is very raw and out there compared to the establishment candidates. That is a great part of Trump’s appeal. He’s perceived as genuine. In politics today that is quite powerful. I do not believe he is a racist and I’m sick of the charge being leveled constantly at those who disagree on policy. Political correctness doesn’t work any more and it is high time the race pimps realize it.

Also, bnw,

If Trump manages to get Congress to pass his tariffs — he won’t — how would that help our trade imbalance? Do you think this won’t provoke retaliation? We’re not going to be able to impose tariffs without having our trading partners do the same, so how will this lower the trade imbalance?

As this:

by design worsening race relations, insane increases in the cost of healthcare, shovel ready jobs that meant shovel the public money to political cronies and failed green energy tech companies

There is no evidence that Obama has sought to worsen race relations, and absolutely zero incentive for him to do so. He has nothing to gain by doing such a thing — and there is absolutely zero proof that he’s tried to make that happen. As for increases in health care costs: The ACA is a conservative plan, invented by the Heritage Foundation, implemented in Massachusetts by Romney, in which “the markets” are used to deliver health care insurance. We leftists wanted Single Payer, not for-profit, privately held insurance plans. The ACA does the latter, not the former. Trump has no answer to those costs other than doubling down on the epic failure of leaving it up to “the markets.”

As for the stimulus. It was far too small to meet the 8.9% contraction in Bush’s last quarter, and a third of it was tax cuts, thanks to Republican amendments which the Dems allowed. It was no more “crony-capitalist” than standard operating procedure for both parties, and the record of government support for Green companies is far better than without that support. As in, they did better than if we had just let “the markets” decide. Much, much better.

In general, no Trump proposal would actually address your concerns, and most of them would make the situation far worse.

It’s not just his delivery. It’s his policies too.

Zooey wrote:

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0ej/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jordan-klepper-fingers-the-pulse—conspiracy-theories-thrive-at-a-donald-trump-rally

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Yeah, those kind of Vids/articles send all kinds of thots/feelings
streaming through my brain. So many layers of ‘things’ are implicated.

Corporate-Capitalism can reflect poignantly-infuriating stuff. And infuriatingly-poignant stuff….. sigh

And remember the stat that showed about 20 percent of Trump supporters thought Slavery was still a good idea or something like that. Forget that they are Trump supporters, just think about the fact that, that many citizens think that way. Thats a LOT of Americans thinking some hideously mean stuff. How did they get left so far…behind..in so many ways?

I’m just grateful when my brain fills up with this stuff, i can click a button and watch shark videos. Did you know 20 percent of sharks surveyed prefer eating Republicans…

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“Teach the ignorant as much as you can; society is culpable in not providing a free education for all and it must answer for the night which it produces. If the soul is left in darkness sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.”
— Victor Hugo (Les Misérables)

Zooey wrote:

, ignorance is fertile soil for our doom.

Ahh, something, the left and the right, can agree on.

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wv wrote:

, ignorance is fertile soil for our doom.

Ahh, something, the left and the right, can agree on.

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Nah, because the left and right wouldn’t agree on what constitutes ignorance.