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December 18, 2015 at 8:01 pm #35808znModerator
This is in the wake of his Tampa game, where he had modest yardage but showed many of his strengths. I is just one guy so I don’t see everything obviously but this is part of an effort to “paint” the Gurley “picture.”
GURLEY HIT IN THE BACKFIELD
Gurley can’t do much with a crowded backfield. And of course there are backs who can, like Martin or Lynch. And btw this is not criticism, it’s just description. For example Gurley doesn’t break tackles in the way a Lynch or any traditional power back does. He doesn’t run over or through people. He is strong, and has great contact balance, but if you get him in the backfield, he can’t do much.
Gurley and Jackson are very different, but, they do share this trait— in the backfield, there’s usually not much they can do against a penetrating defense. A Lynch can power over people, a Martin can break tackles on the move, but Gurley and Jackson can’t do those things, at least not as a consistent part of their game.
HOWEVER as I said that’s not a criticism of Gurley. If Gurley can see a micro lane and shift the angle of the defender (I actually mean that the way I said it!) he will do it. So on some runs he was nearly stopped in the backfield but found a way. But you can’t count on that the way you can with Lynch—Gurley is strong, but he doesn’t have the mauler’s strength Lynch does. Gurley can drag guys forward but he is not going to consistently run over them Lynch-style.
He’s a great back but while Lynch could (and DID) thrive with a mediocre OL, to be optimal, Gurley needs the OL to be at least decent.
GURLEY V. TAMPA
I think there was just going to be a certain amount of stopping Gurley with the Tampa defense, but they had to commit to the run to do it (this is from 1st viewing, I don’t know what reviewing the game would tell us.)
The entire point comes down to opposing defenses not worrying about the Rams pass, or as is commonly said, they load the run and dare the Rams to pass. If the Rams continue to pass effectively, defenses will mix it up more, you would think.
It’s pretty clear the Rams OL is still too inexperienced and inconsistent to effectively battle loaded fronts more.
But that OL also shows signs of getting there.
Keenum on this very subject:
Tampa Bay does a great job stopping the run. They really do. They loaded the box. Traditionally, they’re a ‘Tampa Two’ team, playing two safeties high, but they looked down and brought another safety out of the box quite a bit.
NOSE FOR THE ENDZONE (though this is more from the Lions game)
Remember how Faulk used to smell the endzone and just find ways to get there.
Gurley has the same thing IMO.
Of course Faulk and Gurley are not the same animal.
BUT at the core, they both have/had the same instinct for the endzone. Something in their game goes UP when they have a shot.
GURLEY IS OFTEN SUBTLE
A lot of things that are special about Gurley are subtle, and have to do with his vision and ability to quickly shift lanes and turn tacklers into guys who glance off. That’s not a full description of him–but still, it’s a lot of what he is. He doesn’t have dramatic shifty elusiveness but he has a great way of reading the field and getting tacklers not to miss so much as to just glance off.
RAMS BACKS IN HISTORY
It’s true that Faulk had more in his arsenal. Not that that makes Gurley a Justin Watson or anything. Gurley is still a great back IMO, just not the same as Faulk.
Either way, I would rank Gurley below Dickerson and Faulk as a great Rams back, but not by a LOT, and just above Jackson—which is no criticism of Jackson.
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December 18, 2015 at 9:52 pm #35816bnwBlockedFaulk excelled at everything. Gurley has a chance to be as good as Faulk assuming Gurley has the supporting cast Faulk had here. That is a tall order for this Rams front office.
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December 18, 2015 at 9:54 pm #35817znModeratorFaulk excelled at everything. Gurley has a chance to be as good as Faulk assuming Gurley has the supporting cast Faulk had here. That is a tall order for this Rams front office.
I think Gurley can be good regardless of the supporting cast.
Besides I was talking about raw talents. Regardless who was around him Faulk had certain basic, innate skills. They showed up in losses and bad games as well as wins.
December 19, 2015 at 2:48 am #35821InvaderRamModeratori think that his ability to break tackles will get better the more he plays and the more confidence he gets in his surgically repaired knee. as fisher has said i don’t think he’s quite at 100% yet. not until next year.
December 19, 2015 at 6:45 am #35825PA RamParticipantHe’s like a home run batter.
He may not get a lot of singles, but when he swings for the fences and hits–pow.
When he misses, eh.
Sanders was kinda like that. Some ugly stuff followed by a thing of beauty.
He just has to get the touches–and the line has to get better.
I mean–there are runs where he makes something out of nothing. But some better blocking will open up the field and he doesn’t need much.
I want to see them work him into the passing game more effectively. Lots of potential there.
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December 20, 2015 at 9:59 am #35847bnwBlockedFaulk excelled at everything. Gurley has a chance to be as good as Faulk assuming Gurley has the supporting cast Faulk had here. That is a tall order for this Rams front office.
I think Gurley can be good regardless of the supporting cast.
Besides I was talking about raw talents. Regardless who was around him Faulk had certain basic, innate skills. They showed up in losses and bad games as well as wins.
All RBs need a good O line to create holes to run through. Gurley doesn’t look that good with this supporting cast. Sometimes he breaks an occasional big run which reminds me of Jackson. Faulk had the ultimate supporting cast. Give that to Gurley and he will get his yards and more importantly the team will get wins. Get Gurley in open space and he will be as elusive as Faulk. Neither Faulk nor Gurley run over people like Marshawn Lynch, but even Lynch had a decent O line.
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December 20, 2015 at 11:33 am #35850znModeratorFaulk excelled at everything. Gurley has a chance to be as good as Faulk assuming Gurley has the supporting cast Faulk had here. That is a tall order for this Rams front office.
I think Gurley can be good regardless of the supporting cast.
Besides I was talking about raw talents. Regardless who was around him Faulk had certain basic, innate skills. They showed up in losses and bad games as well as wins.
All RBs need a good O line to create holes to run through. Gurley doesn’t look that good with this supporting cast. Sometimes he breaks an occasional big run which reminds me of Jackson. Faulk had the ultimate supporting cast. Give that to Gurley and he will get his yards and more importantly the team will get wins. Get Gurley in open space and he will be as elusive as Faulk. Neither Faulk nor Gurley run over people like Marshawn Lynch, but even Lynch had a decent O line.
Again…we’re just talking about completely different things.
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December 20, 2015 at 2:06 pm #35853bnwBlockedFaulk excelled at everything. Gurley has a chance to be as good as Faulk assuming Gurley has the supporting cast Faulk had here. That is a tall order for this Rams front office.
I think Gurley can be good regardless of the supporting cast.
Besides I was talking about raw talents. Regardless who was around him Faulk had certain basic, innate skills. They showed up in losses and bad games as well as wins.
All RBs need a good O line to create holes to run through. Gurley doesn’t look that good with this supporting cast. Sometimes he breaks an occasional big run which reminds me of Jackson. Faulk had the ultimate supporting cast. Give that to Gurley and he will get his yards and more importantly the team will get wins. Get Gurley in open space and he will be as elusive as Faulk. Neither Faulk nor Gurley run over people like Marshawn Lynch, but even Lynch had a decent O line.
Again…we’re just talking about completely different things.
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No we’re not. You claim Gurley can be good regardless of the supporting cast, because of his innate skills.
I disagree. Like Faulk he needs a supporting cast. Look at how many times this season Gurley has been held under 100 yards. That is because of his O line. He couldn’t break a long run. He wouldn’t have been drafted as high as he was if he didn’t have the innate skills. Those innate skills are not enough. He needs a good supporting cast. That isn’t a knock against Gurley. It’s a fact. Better blocking and more diversified offense and better QB play and Gurley can lead this Rams offense to the playoffs.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
December 21, 2015 at 6:25 am #35863znModeratorNo we’re not. You claim Gurley can be good regardless of the supporting cast, because of his innate skills.
Bnw, no I did not claim that.
In fact, given how I view football, I would never claim that.
You misread something.
I was DESCRIBING his innate skills, compared to say Jackon’s and Faulk’s. Who has this skill, who has that skill. I never said he could thrive by himself without a supporting cast. You can see those skills, however, regardless of how well the player produces in a given game or season. Faulk had incredible vision and micro-gears that allowed him to shift his lanes and angles instantly. That’s just true of Faulk, AS A PLAYER. It doesn;t mean he can thrive without a supporting case. But you can still see the skills, even if the offense doesn;t support him. His skills are his skills. BUT that is not the same as saying he will always produce no matter what, which I did not say of any RB in this thread and have never said of any RB in any thread.
So yeah you’re misreading. Which itself is not big deal, misreading is common on the net. But I wasn’t discussing production, just innate skill sets.
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