This is not okay: Trump calls for the arrest of Schiff for Treason

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  • September 30, 2019 at 10:52 am #105983
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    My guess is too many Americans outside the Trump cult will read or hear this and go, “whatever.” “Meh.” “So what.” But we’re not really the people who count in this case, as far as the effects. It’s the people in his cult who count. They listen to his every word and some will try to act on those words.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-calls-rep-adam-schiff-arrested-for-treason-2019-9

    Excerpt (bullet points of article, before the main part)

    President Donald Trump in a tweet early Monday lashed out at Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

    Trump attacked a paraphrased version of his controversial call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky which Schiff gave at a hearing last week.

    Trump claims that the statement was presented as his precise words — even though Schiff described it as “the essence” of Trump’s meaning rather than his words.

    He said Schiff’s statement “bore NO relationship to what I said on the call”, then wrote “Arrest for Treason?”

    It is not clear what grounds a treason case may have. Treason is only applicable against those who betray the US to a nation it is formally at war with. Nobody in the US has been convicted of treason since the 1940s.

    September 30, 2019 at 10:57 am #105984
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    This followed a barrage of tweets Sunday, including one about civil war, which even a Republican rep had to condemn:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/09/30/trump-civil-war-tweet-jeffress-draws-backlash-critics-gop/

    ‘Beyond repugnant’: GOP congressman slams Trump for warning of ‘civil war’ over impeachment

    Excerpt:

    By Katie Shepherd
    September 30 at 6:49 AM

    As Democrats begin an impeachment inquiry, President Trump spent Sunday vigorously defending himself on Twitter and sharing cable news clips of his most ardent devotees insisting that he did nothing wrong in asking the Ukrainian president to investigate his political rival, former vice president Joe Biden.

    Trump highlighted one quote from a longtime evangelical pastor warning of particularly dire consequences if the Democrats follow through.

    “If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal,” Trump tweeted, adding his own parenthetical to a quote from Robert Jeffress, a Southern Baptist preacher speaking on “Fox & Friends Weekend” on Sunday.

    Video included in article . . .

    Again, this is NOT okay. Yeah, Trump has largely numbed the nation into apathy about his antics, but we’ve already seen mass shooters take his words to heart, directly, and act on them.

    Silence isn’t the answer. “Whatever” isn’t the answer. This man is a menace and a threat to the health and safety of every American and the planet.

    September 30, 2019 at 10:58 am #105985
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    Side-note: The latest CBS/Yougov poll on impeachment shows 55/45 approval for the inquiry. It now has solid majority support.

    September 30, 2019 at 12:30 pm #105993
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    Billy_T wrote:

    “If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal,”

    Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?

    Utterance attributed to Henry II of England, which led to the death of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in 1170.

    September 30, 2019 at 1:25 pm #105995
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    One thing we know. Trump would burn the whole Universe down, rather than admit he was at fault about anything, ever. (Nixon wasnt even this averse to admitting fault) He has basically, essentially, written as much in his books. He’s always emphasized “if someone attacks you, attack them with twice as much force.” He lives by that. Its his nature. Its in his bizness books, its in his Pro-Wrestling ‘persona’ etc.

    Makes for good tv, in a corporate-capitalist-state, with hundreds of millions of corporate-capitalist-zombies watchin.

    His words about treasonous traitors are in keeping with his lifelong internal defense/attack mechanisms.

    Ah well.

    I dont remember ever talkin about Obama the Man, this much. Democrats are boring, corporate, biosphere-destroyers. Trump is a CRAZY-MAN, super-charged-corporate-biosphere-destroyer.

    I get tired of talkin about Trump and thinkin about Trump — but its impossible NOT to talk/think about him. He’s in my brain now, forever, in a way that Obama never was.

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    September 30, 2019 at 5:28 pm #106006
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    Yeah, I was able to ignore Obama. I couldn’t ignore Bush, and I have even less ability to ignore Trump. The flaming success of their efforts to make the planet a much worse place just rivet one’s attention.

    September 30, 2019 at 6:08 pm #106007
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    zn wrote:
    Billy_T wrote:

    “If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal,”

    Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?

    Utterance attributed to Henry II of England, which led to the death of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in 1170.

    Nice reference, ZN. Which reminded me of a, well, “lower brow” reference via Godfather III, and Eli Wallach’s comment about a pebble in his shoe.

    Also, apropos is Stephen Greenblatt’s timely and provocative Tyrant, ostensibly a look at Shakespeare’s villains, but clearly a running look at Trump. It’s short and worth a read. Not as great as his The Swerve, which is now one of my all-time favorite non-fiction works (about the rediscovery of Lucretius) . . . but “fun” anyway.

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    September 30, 2019 at 6:11 pm #106009
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    Good points about our relative takes on this or that president on personal grounds.

    I actually like Obama and his family, on personal grounds. Didn’t like his governance. Far too conservative, and far too willing to work with the enemy. But he strikes me as a “good person.” Which raises all kinds of other philosophical questions. Does it make sense for us to view “leaders” as good or bad, setting aside their actions as leaders? Or do we need to include all of that in the mix before we assess?

    When it comes to Trump, I see him as a truly despicable human, whether or not he’s president, and his actions as president have been beneath contempt.

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