This is a poorly coached team.

Well put RFL I agree. I hate to say it but the strangest thing happened watching the SEA AZ game. I think I’m now a Seahawks fan, I actually enjoyed watching them play in a way I haven’t enjoyed the Rams since 2003 and Fisher in his 3 years has sucked out every last bit of joy from watching the Rams play.

I am as perplexed and frustrated by Fisher and his sidekick Williams as anyone.

I believe Rams fans today have every right to be outraged by that performance and to want to hold the coaching staff accountable. The lack of discipline alone was embarrassing. They looked like a team more interested in picking fights than playing football. It looked like schoolyard stuff.

Manning easily saw every blitz and made sure his line knew who to take.

The Rams line was clueless and ineffective.

At some point the coaching staff has to take some responsibility for this mess.

To revert back to looking like they did in the first few games is an absolute joke.

Giants: 514 yards of offense.

Horrible.

I really am getting tired of excuses like injuries—if Wells can’t play where is his back-up? Who is the next man up?

He’s had 3 years to prepare. Where is that guy?

The O-line is a collection of hobbled, ineffective players who need to be constantly shuffled around.

Next year is year 4.

If this sort of thing continues it may be time for Fisher to go.

I’m trying very hard not to overreact. I’m emotional about it. I get that.

Just a couple of weeks ago I was thinking–okay–the team gets Williams now–just a tweak here or there and this team is right there.

Then I look at yesterday’s mess and I don’t know what to think.

Is it all a tease?

Is it just going to be–wow–this team has talent, wow–they show flashes of greatness to wow–what a group of knuckleheads…wow–they look lost?

At some point they need to resemble a solid NFL team for more than a couple of weeks.

At some point they need to play with consistency.

Rams fans are right to be angry about all of this. Few NFL franchises have suffered as long as this one. The fans deserve more.

We didn’t expect a Superbowl this year…and we’re even okay with missing the playoffs. But to play the Giants and come out like idiots who half sleepwalk through the actual game only to wake up for out of bounds hits, endzone celebrations and fights?

If the coaching staff can’t control that they cant coach this team.

At least the Giants were WINNING! Making plays.

I am truly embarrassed as a fan today.

Hey–the Rams aren’t ALL of my life–just a part, I’ll live.

But that game really pissed me off and not just because they lost–but HOW they lost–HOW they played–HOW ill-prepared they looked—HOW dumb they were.

It was terrible and I don’t know what I want Fisher to say and frankly it doesn’t matter if the team continues to do this crap.

Prove it on the field as a solid, well-coached and disciplined football team.

• This reply was modified 10 years ago by PA Ram.

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

Well put RFL I agree. I hate to say it but the strangest thing happened watching the SEA AZ game. I think I’m now a Seahawks fan, I actually enjoyed watching them play in a way I haven’t enjoyed the Rams since 2003 and Fisher in his 3 years has sucked out every last bit of joy from watching the Rams play.

Step away from the Aqua Light.

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In a ten point game, the Giants scored 10 points off of turnovers, and it could’ve been more if they didn’t take a knee after the last shotgun snap from Wells. Perhaps someone can point to evidence that suggests otherwise, but Benny is usually quite reliable with his ball control and has been quite solid as a KR this season. To me in Benny’s case it’s just one of those rare things that happens. Austin just screwed up letting the ball bounce off of his hands and into the hands of Wynn. Both of those plays were big in the outcome of the game. Me? I don’t see that as a coaching thing. Others porbably do, I guess.

The penalties and chippy stuff are mostly young players acting up. The coaches have got to do a better job reigning them in. Personally, I think that stuff dissipates as guys like McDonald and Ogletree get older.

Anyway, a disappointing loss for sure. The coverage breakdowns are mind numbing. There’s no way McDonald should’ve been left alone on Beckham on his first TD. I don’t know who screwed up on the second Beckham TD, Joyner or Johnson, but it looked like Joyner to me. A young secondary always has me holding my breath. Mistakes there are so costly, and young guys are good for a couple a game.

zn wrote:

canadaram wrote:
don’t know who screwed up on the second Beckham TD, Joyner or Johnson, but it looked like Joyner to me.

That was Joyner, according to Joyner.

Oh well. His first real playing time in over a month, coming right after the injury to Gaines. Rookie CBs and rookie QBs make the most costly types of errors.

I have been thinking the same thing, have we improved. Seattle needs to win on Sunday for a bye. With Fisher, our record has gotten worse, 7-8-1, 7-9, to 6-10(maybe)? That is 20 wins in 3 years. No Head Coach would last that long. I know Fisher and company will be back, but if he does not turn this around quickly, Fisher and his staff will be gone. Nextyear he knows this team has to win at least 10 games, no excuses.

wv wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:
I have been thinking the same thing, have we improved. Seattle needs to win on Sunday for a bye. With Fisher, our record has gotten worse, 7-8-1, 7-9, to 6-10(maybe)? That is 20 wins in 3 years. No Head Coach would last that long. I know Fisher and company will be back, but if he does not turn this around quickly, Fisher and his staff will be gone. Nextyear he knows this team has to win at least 10 games, no excuses.

How much of a break do we give Snisher
since they lost their starting QB,
two years in a row?

Ah well. Snisher will get another
year. Let us hope they do not
give us a fourth year of
inconsistent-mediocrity.
I do not want to be sitting here
next year typing
“wait till year FIVE…”

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I think they had to come a long way in overhauling the roster, and have done a good job in doing that. Other teams that turned things around in the past 5-8 years (Detroit, Arizona, Houston) all had pieces in place. The Rams had very little (Long, JL, an aging Jackson). But having said that, other teams found their QBs (Seattle) and rebuilt their OLs (Dallas) so Fisher has to be held accountable for not having done that to this point. He also has to be held accountable for the faux-toughness. The trash talking and cheap shots have to go. McDonald almost decapitated Gaines yesterday because he was trying to layout Beckham when the pass had already been made incomplete.

zn wrote:

OahuRam wrote:
other teams found their QBs (Seattle) and rebuilt their OLs (Dallas) so Fisher has to be held accountable for not having done that to this point. He also has to be held accountable for the faux-toughness. The trash talking and cheap shots have to go. McDonald almost decapitated Gaines yesterday because he was trying to layout Beckham when the pass had already been made incomplete.

I agree about the trash-talking. I feel exactly the same way.

On the OL? They signed Long, they signed Wells, they found Barksdale, they drafted Jones, they drafted Robinson. Both Long and Wells played fine when first signed. What they encountered was a series of injuries. Demoff has even said that OL injuries are the Rams achilles heel. Because of injuries, Long is done, Robinson is at LOT instead LOG as a rookie, and Saffold Wells AND Joseph are playing banged up. And Jones is no use to them because he had back surgery and lost muscle because he could not lift after the surgery.

And they didn’t have to find a qb, they had one. He then became the 1st qb we have ever heard of in all NFL history who injured the same ACL in under 12 months.

I thought they would have won yesterday even with the banged up OL because Hill, though he started shakey, settled in. So I don’t think qb was the issue yesterday. They lost because of a rare special teams turnover and then a regression into the “blown coverages” scenarios from earlier in the season.

I hear you ZN but there were concerns about those signings when they happened, so it was Fisher and Snead’s choices to go with who they got. It was often said that the Rams got ‘inexpensively,’ and the Dolphis let go of, Long because of injury concerns. My buddy that is a Packers fan chuckled when I told him we signed Wells. Barksdale has not had a good year this season. Why draft Jones if he has to “bulk” up, and then the bulking up led to him getting hurt and needing back surgery? The Raiders apparently knew what they were doing in not signing Saffold because of his shoulder. So I understand that the Rams have been unfortunate with all the injuries, but they chose all of these guys despite them all having question marks. So the Rams have to shoulder some of the blame.

Regarding yesterday’s game. In the moment I was very unhappy but know that the turnovers prevented the Rams from having a chance to win. Now I could argue that the turnovers, although unusual, were commited by questionable personnel that the Rams chose to have on their team. T. Austin has been a major disappointment to me and his missed catch was just another example to me that he cannot play in this league. Cunningham has been a good KR so I cannot really fault him too much for his fumble. He has been pretty good with ball security since that phantom fumble he had last year.

For QBs, yes they had their QB but it could be argued that despite Bradfor having good numbers last season he still was not winning enough games. He was not a difference maker. He still needs to prove that he can be a reason they consistently win. I like Bradford and want him to be a 16-game starter for the Rams next season. But up to this point he has not proven himself. I think they should have had a better back up plan for the future. For comparison it will be interesting to see what the Cardinals do with QB this offseason because Palmer now has had 2 ACLs.

zn wrote:

To me Bradford has amply proven himself already. In the last 2 years, when this team has had both a relatively healthy OL (ie not up to 3 injury replacements a la the first half of 2012) AND a running threat (ie. not Richardson) Bradford has played well. Played well enough to reach “proven himself” status. That is, in 2012/13, in the games meeting that description (relatively healthy OL + running threat), Bradford has averaged a qb rating of 92.2, along with 1.8 TDs per game & 0.67 INTs per game, and a near 50% TDs on attempts inside the 10. And that was without the improved 2014 receivers and Mason. The issue with Bradford is health.

What are Dalton’s numbers like in Cincinnati? I think he has good stats too but I do not think that anyone would say that he has proven himself yet. I hope that Sam comes back next year and lights it up. I think he has the ability to do it. It was so much fun watching the Rams with Warner and then Bulger at the helm. I just miss it man. I miss it. We gotta get it back. If only Cleveland had made that FG attempt the season before the Luck draft.

OahuRam wrote:

zn wrote:
To me Bradford has amply proven himself already. In the last 2 years, when this team has had both a relatively healthy OL (ie not up to 3 injury replacements a la the first half of 2012) AND a running threat (ie. not Richardson) Bradford has played well. Played well enough to reach “proven himself” status. That is, in 2012/13, in the games meeting that description (relatively healthy OL + running threat), Bradford has averaged a qb rating of 92.2, along with 1.8 TDs per game & 0.67 INTs per game, and a near 50% TDs on attempts inside the 10. And that was without the improved 2014 receivers and Mason. The issue with Bradford is health.

What are Dalton’s numbers like in Cincinnati? I think he has good stats too but I do not think that anyone would say that he has proven himself yet. I hope that Sam comes back next year and lights it up. I think he has the ability to do it. It was so much fun watching the Rams with Warner and then Bulger at the helm. I just miss it man. I miss it. We gotta get it back. If only Cleveland had made that FG attempt the season before the Luck draft.

I didn’t BASE THAT on numbers, but numbers validate it. Bradford’s way better than Dalton according to any test you want to offer, but what he doesn’t have is AJ Green. He had Amendola and Gibson. I would say Bradford has proven himself to the point where just watching the games and looking at the numbers back it. That’s what I saw. Provided, as I said, he has both a relatively healthy qb and a running threat. That’s mostly because every qb does better with a relatively healthy OL and most do better with a running threat.

Bulger and Warner had years of Bruce and Holt and a stable OL, until the stable OLs ran out in 2007. Bradford never had the weapons they had. Warner is the best of the 3 but Bradford would have done as well as Bulger if not better IMO if he had even just the Rams 2014 WRs.

Heck in the span of games I am talking about…where he had the things I say he needed (OL, running threat) he has 4 comeback games and was the qb of an offense that beat (from memory, I think the number is) 8 top 12 defenses.

Luck is a rare type, like once a decade, but Bradford could be at least as good as Eli and Flacco at their best — if not better — if he is healthy.