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  • #48290
    bnw
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    No I’m not. I’ve noticed too many times over the years where when the heat is being applied to the establishment that something else distracts the MSM to allow the roaches to return to their happy homes. In the case of Hildabeast this horrific crime will have her and her House of Representatives sit in disruptors again working to deny americans their 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

    Okay, bnw. I appreciate your clarification. Our views on this issue couldn’t be farther apart.

    It’s not that I think our government is incapable of false flag operations. LBJ did one to help ramp up the war in Vietnam, for instance. But you have to look at who benefits, who holds power, what the likely effects are, and weigh all of that with the risks of discovery.

    Given that these shootings may well help Trump, rather than Clinton, it doesn’t at all make sense she would be involved. And the possible benefit to her of leaving the front page for a day or two hardly makes the risks worth it.

    It’s similar to the reasoning of the 9/11 truthers. I had too many arguments with them at the time — which I now regret as a major waste of that time. The thing in that case is what possible benefit could it be for the government to blow itself up, along with a major center of capitalist power.

    If war were the object, that could have been accomplished without any loss of American life prior to the invasion, or any loss of financial power, or government buildings and staff. Just rig up something IN Iraq, pin it on Saddam, and bam!! War fever!

    Seriously, this is Alex Jones territory, and he’s easily one of America’s most despicable people, along with being a sociopath.

    Well we both have our opinions. Regarding 9/11 Truth, something caused molten steel to pour out of those buildings and within the dust generated from the destruction of those buildings were the unmistakable trace of thermite. More than enough reason to immediately destroy the crime scene and ignore health and safety laws in order to destroy that crime scene and to hell with the cleanup workers health. USA! USA! USA! USA!

    I’m a former network engineer. I went to Lehigh. I still keep up on all sorts of science and engineering in all fields because it interests me.

    The original explanations for why the towers fell were bullshit. I’ll grant you that, especially the original government explanations. They lacked even basic scientific credulity. It’s why even on this board with this crew, I said I had doubts because the science didn’t match what I had seen. Then the engineering dept at Purdue demonstrated the exact conditions including why there would be “possible thermite residue”. The Twin Towers (I’ll be brief because I REALLY don’t want to go into it and won’t be relitigating this) were built like a soda can. It had almost no internal support other than the elevator shafts. The ENTIRE support was based on the exoskeleton, a unique design for a skyscraper. Moreover, it allowed for zero supporting walls and that’s why all the traders liked to be in there because they could have an entire open floor. You can see that in the movie Wall Street. The jet fuel didn’t melt the internal supports, but weakened them which the UL underwritten steel would weaken within the burn temperature of jet fuel. If you look at pics taken just before the collapse, the external structure was buckling outward significantly. Once the initial floor collapsed, the pressure of that collapse created a pressure wave that from the outside looked like a set of controlled explosives. If you want to experience this phenomenon, stand on a soda can with one foot, then reach down and tap the edges with both fingers at the same time. Your weight coupled with the deflection will cause the aluminum to fail and the soda can will crush and you’ll fall the six inches at basically the speed of gravity. It’s how we used to crush soda cans for fun when the kids were little and how I used to teach the kids various aspects of science (gravity, structural integrity, deflection, etc).

    The issue with building 7 is less resolved because other buildings in the same radius while sustaining significant damage did not have a massive failure as building 7 did and building 7 wasn’t of the same construction type as the two towers.

    I will agree that the lack of forensic analysis on the remains of the buildings was unconscionable and only fuels conspiracy theories.

    However, as we saw time and again with the Bush Administration, rather than complicated conspiracies, they were rarely capable of simple incompetencies. Can’t have both.

    None of that explains molten steel pouring from the towers before they fell. I was watching live when a reporter on the scene said that emergency responders told him to get back because building 7 was going to blow or something like that. Hopefully that can be found on Youtube. The demise of Building 7 was also reported 20 minutes before it happened on the BBC.

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    #48292
    Mackeyser
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    here’s a video that puts building 7 to rest in less than 4 minutes. It’s concise and scientifically accurate. NO BS, very tight and to the point. Origin, progression and termination (collapse) are all covered. As for the molten steel, it very well may have come because the building was left to burn uncontrolled for 7 hours… With limited air intake, the inside of that place became an oven. I dunno how hot it got inside, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it got hot enough to melt steel well before 7 hours.

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    #48318
    Avatar photoZooey
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    The thing is…if 9/11 was an elaborate inside job…and ELABORATE is what it would have been…they would have made it look like Iraqis did it. How easy would that have been? And that would have been that.

    Instead, it inconveniently involved Saudis (our allies) and the trail led to Afghanistan, a country that is a complete waste of time to invade economically or strategically.

    I mean…if you are going to go the monumental effort of working through the logistics of demolishing the WTC, it would have been small potatoes to frame somebody worth framing.

    #48319
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    The thing is…if 9/11 was an elaborate inside job…and ELABORATE is what it would have been…they would have made it look like Iraqis did it. How easy would that have been? And that would have been that.

    Instead, it inconveniently involved Saudis (our allies) and the trail led to Afghanistan, a country that is a complete waste of time to invade economically or strategically.

    I mean…if you are going to go the monumental effort of working through the logistics of demolishing the WTC, it would have been small potatoes to frame somebody worth framing.

    Very true. And, again, why on earth would the powers that be try to blow up the powers that be? It makes zero sense. It’s far too easy to inflict great harm on others outside the power structure, and blame whomever they want. It’s just absurd to believe they would try to blow up the Pentagon, the White House and one of the strongholds of the financial world in NYC.

    Matt Taibbi demolished the truthers in several articles back in the day.

    Edit: Now this is weird. Try googling “matt taibbi demolishes truthers.” It will take you to sites like the Rolling Stone, where he published them, but the stories seem to be gone. Hmmm. Perhaps the rabid truthers did their best to shut down anyone who dared suggest they were nuts. Online, I remember them being like flying monkeys. Crazed stalkers, too.

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    #48325
    Avatar photozn
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    The thing is…if 9/11 was an elaborate inside job…and ELABORATE is what it would have been…they would have made it look like Iraqis did it. How easy would that have been? And that would have been that.

    Instead, it inconveniently involved Saudis (our allies) and the trail led to Afghanistan, a country that is a complete waste of time to invade economically or strategically.

    I mean…if you are going to go the monumental effort of working through the logistics of demolishing the WTC, it would have been small potatoes to frame somebody worth framing.

    Very true. And, again, why on earth would the powers that be try to blow up the powers that be? It makes zero sense. It’s far too easy to inflict great harm on others outside the power structure, and blame whomever they want. It’s just absurd to believe they would try to blow up the Pentagon, the White House and one of the strongholds of the financial world in NYC.

    Matt Taibbi demolished the truthers in several articles back in the day.

    Edit: Now this is weird. Try googling “matt taibbi demolishes truthers.” It will take you to sites like the Rolling Stone, where he published them, but the stories seem to be gone. Hmmm. Perhaps the rabid truthers did their best to shut down anyone who dared suggest they were nuts. Online, I remember them being like flying monkeys. Crazed stalkers, too.

    Plus going through all the effort to find and train suicide pilots to fly the planes. You either do that as this elaborate ruse originating in the middle east, which would be hard and weird, or you find guys who are willing to be suicide martyrs for the cause of furthering USA political interests, which would be harder and weirder.

    #48338
    TSRF
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    Gonna try and bring this thread back to the here and now…

    Just getting back from vacation, but it appears this has been another lone wolf attack.

    How, did one angry individual manage to shoot so many people and kill 5? Maybe because he had a long gun with a huge fucking clip??

    BNW stated in another thread that he had to attend a course where they told him to comply with cops to get his hide like a little girl carry permit. Good.

    Soldiers going through boot camp need to be trained before they are allowed to train with their weapons. Good.

    In what reality other than the one we are trapped in does it make any sense to be able to sell long gun, fire every time you pull the trigger type of death guns with huge magazines to any fucker who wants one?

    Just wiped my ass with a false flag. We have to get these fucking death tools off the street.

    Guns don’t kill people; people kill people. Yes, very true. But why give people the tools to kill so many other people??

    #48343
    bnw
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    BNW stated in another thread that he had to attend a course where they told him to comply with cops to get his hide like a little girl carry permit. Good.

    No not to get a conceal carry permit. Complying with the police is a no brainer as is being upfront with letting the officer know you have a permit to carry. The hide like a little girl when on the ground hoping the shooter runs out of ammo that is what you want. BTW CT is an open carry state too.

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    #48349
    waterfield
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    This entire false flag discussion is idiotic. And you never convince idiots of anything-whether its grand conspiracies, gun control, or big foot.

    #48352
    Avatar photozn
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    This entire false flag discussion is idiotic. And you never convince idiots of anything-whether its grand conspiracies, gun control, or big foot.

    like a little girl carry permit.

    The hide like a little girl when on the ground hoping the shooter runs out of ammo that is what you want.

    Guys, don’t do that kind of stuff (rules directly say: avoid antagonistic language). The rules not only say don’t start it, they say don’t respond in kind. Plus they say when asked by a mod to move on do so without comment. So I will be specific. Move on…from that kind of language (I am not asking you to move on from the topic).

    Thanks.

    #48361
    bnw
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    This entire false flag discussion is idiotic. And you never convince idiots of anything-whether its grand conspiracies, gun control, or big foot.

    False flags are essentially lies told mainly by government to the people. Selling the lie of the weapons of mass destruction to the american people for the invasion of Iraq qualifies with the BS nuclear materials from Africa and the aluminum cylinders etc. Now I was never convinced but Hildiot certainly was.

    From, 53 ADMITTED False Flag Attacks

    53 ADMITTED False Flag Attacks

    (27) The NSA admits that it lied about what really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964 … manipulating data to make it look like North Vietnamese boats fired on a U.S. ship so as to create a false justification for the Vietnam war.

    (28) A U.S. Congressional committee admitted that – as part of its “Cointelpro” campaign – the FBI had used many provocateurs in the 1950s through 1970s to carry out violent acts and falsely blame them on political activists.

    (34) The United States Army’s 1994 publication Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces – updated in 2004 – recommends employing terrorists and using false flag operations to destabilize leftist regimes in Latin America. False flag terrorist attacks were carried out in Latin America and other regions as part of the CIA’s “Dirty Wars“. And see this.

    (41) The U.S. falsely blamed Iraq for playing a role in the 9/11 attacks – as shown by a memo from the defense secretary – as one of the main justifications for launching the Iraq war. Even after the 9/11 Commission admitted that there was no connection, Dick Cheney said that the evidence is “overwhelming” that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein’s regime, that Cheney “probably” had information unavailable to the Commission, and that the media was not ‘doing their homework’ in reporting such ties. Top U.S. government officials now admit that the Iraq war was really launched for oil … not 9/11 or weapons of mass destruction. Despite previous “lone wolf” claims, many U.S. government officials now say that 9/11 was state-sponsored terror; but Iraq was not the state which backed the hijackers. (Many U.S. officials have alleged that 9/11 was a false flag operation by rogue elements of the U.S. government.).

    (42) Although the FBI now admits that the 2001 anthrax attacks were carried out by one or more U.S. government scientists, a senior FBI official says that the FBI was actually told to blame the Anthrax attacks on Al Qaeda by White House officials (remember what the anthrax letters looked like). Government officials also confirm that the white House tried to link the anthrax to Iraq as a justification for regime change in that country.

    (51) High-level American sources admitted that the Turkish government – a fellow NATO country – carried out the chemical weapons attacks blamed on the Syrian government; and high-ranking Turkish government admitted on tape plans to carry out attacks and blame it on the Syrian government.

    Leaders throughout history have acknowledged the danger of false flags:

    “A history of false flag attacks used to manipulate the minds of the people! “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.”
    ― Friedrich Nietzsche

    “Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death”.
    – Adolph Hitler

    “Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
    – Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.

    “The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened”.
    – Josef Stalin

    And now in the aftermath of the Dallas police killings Obama proposes all police to become federalized. Hitler did that too and named them the Gestapo.

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    #48454
    Avatar photozn
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    BT I moved your post (with the pic) to the Baton Rouge thread. Better sense of belonging there for that content.

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