St.Paul, now this…it is a bad day…snipers shoot Dallas police during protest

False Flag.

False Flag.

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How convenient. Hildabeast no longer leads the news.

These are terrible times, with raw emotions swirling to the top. I get that. But you don’t really think this was a set up to help out Clinton, do you? That’s Alex Jones territory, and he inhabits a place of gross hysteria and paranoia, not sanity.

You’re better than that, bnw.

Fwiw, as a sidebar, some folks think dallas has a better-than-most
kinda police force:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/01/12/what-dallass-historically-low-murder-rate-can-teach-us-about-policing/

ps – i thot this was an inter esting paragraph:

“… The massive crime drop we’ve seen across the country since the mid-1990s occurred in places that both did and didn’t engage in mass incarceration, did and didn’t engage in “broken windows”-style policing, did and didn’t commit to real community-oriented policing, did and didn’t use a widespread stop-and-frisk policy, and so on. It’s quite possible that the drop had nothing to do policing strategy at all and instead was the product of rising standards of living, an aging population, or even environmental factors like a decrease in childhood exposure to lead.”
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• This reply was modified 8 years, 4 months ago by wv.

we’re all a big fat failure.

wv wrote:

How does a city build trust between cops and peepulz?

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=16710

“The City” is a big entity. It includes a lot of different people, business associations, interest groups, organizations. As a whole, I believe that American cities have trust with their police forces. The issue as I see it is that certain ethnic groups and local organizations do not trust the police. The question IMO is how to rebuild trust with those groups, those neighborhoods. I believe the key is an honest dialogue between the police and the neighborhoods and local organizations. Both sides need to understand how each other acts and reacts to each other, how both sides see each other that leads to the problems we have.

PA Ram wrote:

It’s times like this I wonder why I had kids. I love them and would never regret having them–but I feel for them and what looks like a dismal future.

This generation is an incredible failure.

This is how I am feeling.

This has been a singularly depressing week.

Billy_T wrote:

False Flag.

. . . .

How convenient. Hildabeast no longer leads the news.

These are terrible times, with raw emotions swirling to the top. I get that. But you don’t really think this was a set up to help out Clinton, do you? That’s Alex Jones territory, and he inhabits a place of gross hysteria and paranoia, not sanity.

You’re better than that, bnw.

Let’s put the outrage against Hillary’s emails in a little context.

Ford pardoned Nixon.

Reagan made a deal with Iranian revolutionaries to hold the hostages until after the election, then Reagan sold arms to a terrorist state and funneled the money to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua without congress knowing about it.

Bush Jr. falsely and deliberately misled Americans into believing Iraq and Hussein were connected to 9/11 in order to start the war opposed by almost every nation on the planet that cost us trillions of dollars and more lives than were lost on 9/11.

Dick Cheney outed a covert CIA operative for revenge.

But the outrage is Hillary’s use of a private server for her emails.

Alrighty then.

Basically, if you weren’t indignant about the above actions by Republicans, I am not going to listen to you talk about Hillary Clinton.

InvaderRam wrote:

we’re all a big fat failure.

I can definitely miss a few meals and be the better for it.

No I’m not. I’ve noticed too many times over the years where when the heat is being applied to the establishment that something else distracts the MSM to allow the roaches to return to their happy homes. In the case of Hildabeast this horrific crime will have her and her House of Representatives sit in disruptors again working to deny americans their 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Okay, bnw. I appreciate your clarification. Our views on this issue couldn’t be farther apart.

It’s not that I think our government is incapable of false flag operations. LBJ did one to help ramp up the war in Vietnam, for instance. But you have to look at who benefits, who holds power, what the likely effects are, and weigh all of that with the risks of discovery.

Given that these shootings may well help Trump, rather than Clinton, it doesn’t at all make sense she would be involved. And the possible benefit to her of leaving the front page for a day or two hardly makes the risks worth it.

It’s similar to the reasoning of the 9/11 truthers. I had too many arguments with them at the time — which I now regret as a major waste of that time. The thing in that case is what possible benefit could it be for the government to blow itself up, along with a major center of capitalist power.

If war were the object, that could have been accomplished without any loss of American life prior to the invasion, or any loss of financial power, or government buildings and staff. Just rig up something IN Iraq, pin it on Saddam, and bam!! War fever!

Seriously, this is Alex Jones territory, and he’s easily one of America’s most despicable people, along with being a sociopath.

bnw wrote:

Great! Keep listening to me about Hildabeast because I remain indignant about those four republican actions to this very day!

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But you never post anything about the evil-doings of Republicans.
Just Hillary and Bill.

Why is that?

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bnw wrote:

wv wrote:

bnw wrote:

Great! Keep listening to me about Hildabeast because I remain indignant about those four republican actions to this very day!

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But you never post anything about the evil-doings of Republicans.
Just Hillary and Bill.

Why is that?

w
v

Not true. Especially before the primaries last year. During the primaries among the 17 again not true. Graham, Cruz, Rubio, Romney, Ryan no thanks. Since Trump should have the nomination then yes I have been partisan but only because of Trump. Depending upon his pick for VP I assure you I will unload when warranted.

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Ok, but I’m not sure what it is exactly that you dont like about mainstream republicans. I dont like’em because I see them as puppets of big-private-sector-corporations. In the pockets of the big-private-sector. Why dont ‘you’ like’em ?

It sounds like you dont believe the official story about 9-11. So who or what do you think was behind it all ?

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bnw wrote:

What you say about republicans you could say about democrats too. So why don’t you?

No I don’t believe the official story of 9/11. Why would anyone? Look at the aftermath. Who gained power? The american people? NO. The US government, YES.

—————–
bnw, all the leftists on here trash the Democrats non-stop. We are constantly posting about how we loathe the Duplicats and Replicants. I’m voting for Jill. Not Hillary.

I believe the official story about 9-11 even though there will always be some
questions that remain unanswered or unanswerable. You are not alone though. A lot of Americans dont believe the official version.
You are entitled to your view 🙂

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Zooey wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

False Flag.

. . . .

How convenient. Hildabeast no longer leads the news.

These are terrible times, with raw emotions swirling to the top. I get that. But you don’t really think this was a set up to help out Clinton, do you? That’s Alex Jones territory, and he inhabits a place of gross hysteria and paranoia, not sanity.

You’re better than that, bnw.

Let’s put the outrage against Hillary’s emails in a little context.

Ford pardoned Nixon.

Reagan made a deal with Iranian revolutionaries to hold the hostages until after the election, then Reagan sold arms to a terrorist state and funneled the money to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua without congress knowing about it.

Bush Jr. falsely and deliberately misled Americans into believing Iraq and Hussein were connected to 9/11 in order to start the war opposed by almost every nation on the planet that cost us trillions of dollars and more lives than were lost on 9/11.

Dick Cheney outed a covert CIA operative for revenge.

But the outrage is Hillary’s use of a private server for her emails.

Alrighty then.

Basically, if you weren’t indignant about the above actions by Republicans, I am not going to listen to you talk about Hillary Clinton.

All true with the exception that Reagan didn’t secretly broker a
deal with Iran for the hostages to be released after he was elected. He often gets credit for their release and was all too happy to accept it but Reagan actually had nothing to do with it. They were going to be released regardless of the outcome of the election.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/17/marco-rubio/rubio-wrongly-credits-reagan-1981-release-hostages/

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

No I’m not. I’ve noticed too many times over the years where when the heat is being applied to the establishment that something else distracts the MSM to allow the roaches to return to their happy homes. In the case of Hildabeast this horrific crime will have her and her House of Representatives sit in disruptors again working to deny americans their 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Okay, bnw. I appreciate your clarification. Our views on this issue couldn’t be farther apart.

It’s not that I think our government is incapable of false flag operations. LBJ did one to help ramp up the war in Vietnam, for instance. But you have to look at who benefits, who holds power, what the likely effects are, and weigh all of that with the risks of discovery.

Given that these shootings may well help Trump, rather than Clinton, it doesn’t at all make sense she would be involved. And the possible benefit to her of leaving the front page for a day or two hardly makes the risks worth it.

It’s similar to the reasoning of the 9/11 truthers. I had too many arguments with them at the time — which I now regret as a major waste of that time. The thing in that case is what possible benefit could it be for the government to blow itself up, along with a major center of capitalist power.

If war were the object, that could have been accomplished without any loss of American life prior to the invasion, or any loss of financial power, or government buildings and staff. Just rig up something IN Iraq, pin it on Saddam, and bam!! War fever!

Seriously, this is Alex Jones territory, and he’s easily one of America’s most despicable people, along with being a sociopath.

Well we both have our opinions. Regarding 9/11 Truth, something caused molten steel to pour out of those buildings and within the dust generated from the destruction of those buildings were the unmistakable trace of thermite. More than enough reason to immediately destroy the crime scene and ignore health and safety laws in order to destroy that crime scene and to hell with the cleanup workers health. USA! USA! USA! USA!

I’m a former network engineer. I went to Lehigh. I still keep up on all sorts of science and engineering in all fields because it interests me.

The original explanations for why the towers fell were bullshit. I’ll grant you that, especially the original government explanations. They lacked even basic scientific credulity. It’s why even on this board with this crew, I said I had doubts because the science didn’t match what I had seen. Then the engineering dept at Purdue demonstrated the exact conditions including why there would be “possible thermite residue”. The Twin Towers (I’ll be brief because I REALLY don’t want to go into it and won’t be relitigating this) were built like a soda can. It had almost no internal support other than the elevator shafts. The ENTIRE support was based on the exoskeleton, a unique design for a skyscraper. Moreover, it allowed for zero supporting walls and that’s why all the traders liked to be in there because they could have an entire open floor. You can see that in the movie Wall Street. The jet fuel didn’t melt the internal supports, but weakened them which the UL underwritten steel would weaken within the burn temperature of jet fuel. If you look at pics taken just before the collapse, the external structure was buckling outward significantly. Once the initial floor collapsed, the pressure of that collapse created a pressure wave that from the outside looked like a set of controlled explosives. If you want to experience this phenomenon, stand on a soda can with one foot, then reach down and tap the edges with both fingers at the same time. Your weight coupled with the deflection will cause the aluminum to fail and the soda can will crush and you’ll fall the six inches at basically the speed of gravity. It’s how we used to crush soda cans for fun when the kids were little and how I used to teach the kids various aspects of science (gravity, structural integrity, deflection, etc).

The issue with building 7 is less resolved because other buildings in the same radius while sustaining significant damage did not have a massive failure as building 7 did and building 7 wasn’t of the same construction type as the two towers.

I will agree that the lack of forensic analysis on the remains of the buildings was unconscionable and only fuels conspiracy theories.

However, as we saw time and again with the Bush Administration, rather than complicated conspiracies, they were rarely capable of simple incompetencies. Can’t have both.