The thugs won; the people lost, including Trump's supporters.

Btw, though it’s going to change and change again many times in the next two weeks or so, it looks right now like Clinton won the popular vote.

Win or lose, GOP, Dem, Socialist, Green, I think it’s waaaay past time we ditch the Electoral College. I’d support that change even if Stein had won the EVs but lost the popular vote this time.

Gotta get rid of it. It’s anti-democratic. It basically voids every vote cast in each state for the “loser,” even though we’re supposed to be electing the nation’s president.

wv wrote:

Well, the Election from Hell is over.

Now we wait. And see.

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It being over is perhaps the only good thing about today.

For me, personally, I hope this will help me end a wasteful period of time in my life, when I stopped being (basically) apolitical, and little by little became far too immersed in the politics of this country. Prior to that plunge, I was always concerned about particular issues, like the environment, war, education, human rights. But I really didn’t care about the day to day ups and downs of the two parties and their foods fights. I had better things to do.

Off and on, yeah. During the Reagan years, for instance. But it was mostly off. Then Dubya came along and, little by little, I was sucked into this cesspool. Obama’s betrayal of his “progressive” campaign platform, and the GOP’s decision to slam the door shut even on his attempts to be Republican Lite — that should have sent me back into the apolitical, “I couldn’t care less about the duopoly” mode of my younger years. But it didn’t.

I think this will, and I hope to goddess I can finally turn my back on the cesspool and live out my life to the best of my abilities . . . without giving two shits about mainstream politics in America.

zn wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

I have a clear conscience, though. It felt good to cast a vote for Jill Stein and against both major party candidates.

I have clear conscience too. I voted for Clinton.

I don’t have to spell out the reasons, and more than obviously, neither do you.

In no way did I mean to imply that my choice could be universalized. Folks can legitimately say their own “conscience is clear” regardless of whom they voted for. Was just talking about my personal thought process and look inward, etc. etc.

bnw wrote:

I have a clear conscience too. BTW Trump should have won by even more but the system is rigged.

The GOP holds a majority of the states and has passed umpteen measures designed to restrict voting by likely Dem voters, as well as those who won’t vote for either party. If the system is “rigged” for anyone, it’s rigged for Trump and the Republicans.

And, again, Trump is losing the popular vote. He’s likely to lose it by 300,000 or more.

He has zero “mandate.” He just has a ton of bluster, BS and empty promises.

Bnw, I guarantee you’re going to be one very disappointed supporter in the not too distant future. Kinda like many an Obama supporter in 2009 who thought he’d govern as a “progressive,” and watched him do that from the center-right instead.

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

I have a clear conscience too. BTW Trump should have won by even more but the system is rigged.

The GOP holds a majority of the states and has passed umpteen measures designed to restrict voting by likely Dem voters, as well as those who won’t vote for either party. If the system is “rigged” for anyone, it’s rigged for Trump and the Republicans.

And, again, Trump is losing the popular vote. He’s likely to lose it by 300,000 or more.

He has zero “mandate.” He just has a ton of bluster, BS and empty promises.

Bnw, I guarantee you’re going to be one very disappointed supporter in the not too distant future. Kinda like many an Obama supporter in 2009 who thought he’d govern as a “progressive,” and watched him do that from the center-right instead.

Perhaps though I’ll never be as disappointed as you.

I didn’t support either candidate from the duopoly, bnw. I voted for Jill Stein, as I did in 2012. I was waaaay beyond “disappointed” long before this election. Disappointed that America is insane enough to want either party in charge.

You chose to back the Republican party, as did your fellow Trump voters. It’s not being remotely “anti-establishment” to vote for every GOP candidate and send 99% of your incumbents back to DC.

As is always the case with each new iteration of right-wing “populism,” your side of the aisle just solidifies and strengthens the existing power structure, with cosmetic changes at the top. If you and your fellow Trumpsters had really wanted to “drain the swamp” or “throw a brick through the window” of the establishment, you wouldn’t have cast a single vote for those incumbents.