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March 25, 2019 at 8:54 pm #99287
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The surprising rankings of best and worst NFL teams at drafting
By Brian Costello
April 21, 2018 | 2:49pm
Over three days this week in the NFL draft, teams will try to find players to fill their roster holes, help them make the playoffs and get them a Lombardi Trophy.
Most of the picks won’t work out. Some will be OK, and a few will be franchise changers. We examined the past five drafts (2013-17) to see which teams have been the best at drafting and which have been the worst to formulate our fourth annual draft rankings. Some teams have started to figure things out while others have slipped.
The rankings are based on: how many games the draft pick has played, Pro Bowl appearances, first-team All-Pro selections and awards like MVP and Rookie of the Year. We also factored in how much the team has won during the five years, because players on losing teams tend to have an easier path to playing time.
Here are the rankings from best to worst with last year’s ranking in parentheses:
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https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/4/12/15274148/most-nfl-draft-picks-are-bustsMost NFL Draft Picks Are Busts
By wludford@wludford Apr 12, 2017, 7:14pm CDT
As we move through April, rumors swirling, excitement building for the draft at the end of the month, it makes sense to temper some of the hype and build-up with a rather sober reality check: most draft picks are busts.
Yep, that’s right. Busts. Not mediocre, not average, but busts.
Pro Football Reference put together a metric called “draft value” which attempts to rate the draft value of players at different positions to arrive at a measure of how well teams have drafted. It ranges from 0-160, with only 1% scoring 80 or higher. It weighs factors such as number of games started, individual stats, team performance and all-pro honors. It also does not include a player’s career after he was traded from the team that drafted him. So, for example, Jared Allen’s value to the Chiefs was much lower because it did not consider his career after he was traded to the Vikings.
BREAKING DOWN NFL DRAFT SUCCESS
Based on this metric, here is how all draft picks over the past 20 years (not including last year) have fared overall:
16.7% Didn’t Play for the Team that Drafted Them.
Most of these are draft picks that didn’t make the team, however, there were a few draft picks that were immediately traded that were of great value- Eli Manning and Philip Rivers for example. But generally these were few and far between so it is safe to say that most in this category (let’s say 16% of the 16.7%) were busts.
37% Were Considered “Useless”
Also known as busts. These are players that had a draft metric of between 0-4, and rarely or never saw the field. Guys like Ryan Leaf, Ryan Mallet and the Vikings’ 1999 1st round pick Dimitrius Underwood, to name a few. These are players that basically did nothing to help the team at all – and represent over a third of all draft picks over the past 20 years.
15.3% Were Considered “Poor”
Still pretty clearly in bust territory. These are players that had underwhelming careers with a draft metric between 5-10, and include some pretty well known busts such as Jamarcus Russell (who scored a 6).
So, if you add up these first three categories of bust (excluding a few draft pick trades that worked out), you come up with just over 68% of all draft picks over the past 20 years have been busts- over two-thirds of all draft picks.
10.5% Were Considered “Average”
This is also not a category that most would consider a successful draft pick, except perhaps a late round pick. Guys like Matt Leinart are in this category, as are Vikings picks such as Nate Burleson, Jasper Brinkley, and Jim Kleinsasser. These are guys that scored between 11-17 on the draft metric scale. These are journeymen that filled a role, but were otherwise undistinguished.
The one thing that comes to mind here is that the draft metric doesn’t consider the round the player was drafted in. A guy like Kleinsasser, for example, who was a good pick, becomes a little less so as a 2nd round pick that was average. As a 4th or 5th round pick, he would have been a much better value- and perhaps where you would pick a fullback these days.
12.3% – Were Considered “Good”
These are solid bread-and-butter players generally, who started many games, did reasonably well but not many accolades. These players scored between 18-35 on the draft metric scale. Guys like Michael Clayton, Carlos Rogers are considered here, as are Vikings picks Christian Ponder (!), Chris Hovan, Dwayne Rudd, Brandon Fusco, Ray Edwards, Moe Williams, and Sidney Rice.
Um, obviously there is a fairly wide definition of “good” used here, but strictly speaking I suspect the number of starts, rather than individual performance stats, had the greatest impact on most of these players being considered in this category. Again, if let’s say Ponder had been a 3rd or 4th round pick, the fact that he started as many games as he did might be more impressive than being picked 12th overall. But having been picked 12th overall, it’s hard not to see Ponder as anything more than a bust- despite being labelled “good” according to this metric.
Ponder is an example of where position makes a big difference- it’s a lot easier to call a mediocre interior lineman “good” as a draft pick that started for 4-5 years, but with a QB it’s a little different…
6.9% Were Considered “Great”
These were picks that started for many years and were also at least above average, but not necessarily elite, at their position. These players scored between 36-80 on the draft metric scale and included players such as Vikings draft picks Chad Greenway, Bryant McKinnie, Matt Birk, EJ Henderson, John Sullivan, and Phil Loadholt.
Again there is something of a range here, as the metric number range suggests, but these are all guys that a team got a lot of mileage out of, and had some pretty good years mixed in. The fact that guys like Birk and Sullivan were taken in the 6th round adds to their draft value in my view.
For many people, this is the expectation for any 1st round pick, and probably most other rounds too. But the fact remains that staggeringly few draft picks ever reach this level.
1% Were Considered “Legendary”
Tom Brady and Ray Lewis are at the top of the heap here, with a draft metric of 160. Both have had long, highly decorated careers with the same team that drafted them, which is why they are ranked so high in this draft metric. These are generally Hall of Famers, with long, distinguished careers that included all-pro accolades- and mostly with the same team that drafted them. Guys like Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Brian Urlacher, Orlando Pace, JJ Watt, and Vikings picks Adrian Peterson, Daunte Culpepper, Kevin Williams, and Randy Moss.
Interestingly, both Moss and Culpepper just barely made this category (scoring 80 and 81 respectively) as the scoring doesn’t include their post-Vikings careers, which were very different. Had Moss had his same career entirely with the Vikings, I’m sure he would be much higher in this category. Culpepper may not have made it so high.
Overall This Shows How Difficult It Is To Draft Well
When guys like Christian Ponder, John Sullivan and Daunte Culpepper are considered good, great and legendary picks respectively, it shows, at least on a relative scale, how difficult it is to draft a quality starter.
Add to that the fact that a little over 2 out of every 3 players drafted are a bust – with over half (53%) of all draft picks adding no value to the team that drafted them- and 9 out of 10 have basically undistinguished careers in the NFL, and you get a better idea of what expectations should be for this year’s draft class adding a quality starter for the Vikings over many years.
Part II of this draft analysis will focus on how well the Vikings have drafted, and how well Rick Spielman has done since having the final say (rather than by committee) on draft picks beginning in 2012.
March 25, 2019 at 9:13 pm #99290zn
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How well do the Rams draft?
Here’s a site that says they’re 4th best in the NFL from 2013 thru 2017 behind the Cowboys, Chiefs, and Vikings. https://nypost.com/2018/04/21/giants-jets-cant-crack-top-10-most-successful-teams-at-draft/ Their criteria: “The rankings are based on: how many games the draft pick has played, Pro Bowl appearances, first-team All-Pro selections and awards like MVP and Rookie of the Year. We also factored in how much the team has won during the five years, because players on losing teams tend to have an easier path to playing time.” <my note: 2018 isn’t included in this evaluation, but the Rams drafted 10 players last year – in rounds 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7 – and all 10 are currently on the Rams’ roster>
This site looks at 2012 thru 2016 and lists the Rams at #7. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2017/04/28/which-nfl-teams-have-been-the-best-and-worst-at-drafting/#1b2f56925dcd Their criteria: “To determine the NFL’s best-drafting teams we first started with a list of the last five draft classes. From there we pulled each drafted player’s career Approximate Value, a statistic calculated by Pro-Football-Reference.com that attempts to quantify a player’s on-field performance in a way that can be compared across positions …”
The Rams are 6th on this site for 2012-2016. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/nfl-draft-teams-picks-draft-records-ranked-2012-present-030117 Their criteria: “… teams scored 5 points for Pro Bowl player (when the nomination occurred while on the team’s roster), 3 points for a 2016 starter and 1 point for a 2016 rostered player (IR counts). Additional Pro Bowl nods earned and extra point and players traded or lost for value (trades or compensatory picks) yield a point, too.”
When I ask myself why the Rams get such little respect for their drafting success it generally boils down to unrealistic expectations. This article titled “Most NFL Draft Picks Are Busts” does a good job of analyzing draft success over a 20 year period. In it, their data shows that 69% of all draft picks are poor, useless, or never even played with the team. https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/4/12/15274148/most-nfl-draft-picks-are-busts
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