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August 1, 2015 at 12:44 pm #27863rflParticipant
For me, the young OL is THE issue to watch for.
Keep in mind that the OL is ALWAYS well behind the DL at the start of camp. That’s been true of every team I have ever played on or watched. Gotta keep that in mind.
Now, let’s break it down a bit:
RT & RG–the Rookies
What we’re watching for here is competitiveness. That’s a combination of strength and athleticism, but more than anything else the demonstrated ability to battle. Remember J Smith–all the talent you could ask for but minimal ability to battle. This is important for individuals, but with TWO rookies playing next to each other, they are going to inevitably face a lot of confusion. Can they figure out how to battle through it?
After just 1 day, the J Brown stuff is very encouraging. It would help immensely if we had ONE of the 2 rookies who had the talent to step fairly smoothly into the role. I’ll be watching for more indicators on him.
Haven’t heard too much yet on Havenstein. I keep remembering the scouting reports: he has a knack for figuring out how to meet challenges at the level of his talents. This, actually, is what a coach does with a limited guy: show him how to compensate. I won’t freak out by accounts of his limitations IF we are also getting reports of his ability to battle it out.
Then there are the other guys. Who knows? It would be GREAT if one of the other rookies stepped up. But you know I figure we have pretty poor odds of finding more than 2 rooks who can step up in Year 1.
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In many ways, this is the crucial issue. I think that we can get by with rookie RT and RG. But the centers have two crucial jobs: hold up physically AND make the line calls.
As far as I can tell, Barnes, who has a little more experience, can’t hold up physically.
Rhaney seems to have the physical talent, but I wonder if he can read and call. It just seems to me that a rookie OC who isn’t remarkably smart would struggle to read NFL defenses. At any event, that’s what I want to hear about Rhaney–can he captain the OL?
Barrett Jones is the guy who probably CAN captain the OL. His whole rep was about intelligence, and while he hasn’t played much, I figure he has been learning a lot about DLs in the last couple of years. I favor the odds of Jones making the reads and line calls.
But for him, the challenge has always been physical: especially strength. Has he raised his physicality to where it needs to be so he can compete inside? If so, then I’ll feel good about him. But I don’t recall ever seeing camp reports that recorded him showing the physical skills and strength needed. Has this changed with health and 2.5 years of working out?
Those are my questions for camp. I feel that, depending on how they work out, they will determine whether the team as a whole can be competitive.
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August 1, 2015 at 1:09 pm #27864znModeratorRhaney seems to have the physical talent, but I wonder if he can read and call. It just seems to me that a rookie OC who isn’t remarkably smart would struggle to read NFL defenses. At any event, that’s what I want to hear about Rhaney–can he captain the OL?
Good point. That’s important of course, but I assume that we won’t hear much about it unless players or coaches start talking about what happens when they discuss practice film in meetings. I will assume, though, that if they like him, that he has the head for the job.
I also don’t rule out a green center starting…last year, a few different teams started rookie centers who did well, include Green Bay.
I do think that Jones has a leg up on him, but still, Rhaney sounds intriguing.
Here’s some comments about him from the local reporters…from several different chats and articles:
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It could be Rhaney, who’s athletic and quick off the ball, but needs to add strength. But don’t think he’s quite ready to take over at this point.
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Athletic. Quick feet. Needs to get bigger and stronger. Working against him this year is the fact he’d be working with a QB (Foles) who’s new to the Rams.
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WAGONER:
Rhaney is more of an unknown, but is also the most athletic of the three and might be the best fit in a more zone-oriented blocking scheme.
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Rhaney has earned positive reviews for his athleticism and toughness.
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Rhaney should not be discounted in this. While the Rams have a habit of talking up all of their players, the discussion of Rhaney’s potential seems to be much more than just lip service. Don’t be surprised if this comes down to Jones and Rhaney with Jones narrowly winning the job.
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…though he doesn’t have the experience or time in the system of Barnes and Jones, he does bring a few intriguing elements that have him firmly in the mix for the job. Rhaney said he’s fully healthy and added five pounds of muscle in the offseason. The team now lists him at 6-foot-2, 301 pounds.
Rhaney is also considered the most athletic of the three contenders and could prove the best fit in a tweaked offensive scheme that calls for more zone blocking concepts.
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Rhaney represents the wild card in the mix. Although he’s even more unproven than Barnes and Jones, the second-year center has his share of supporters in the organization. After a knee injury cost the 2014 seventh-round draft choice his rookie season, Rhaney said he’s added about five pounds of muscle in the offseason.
It should help Rhaney’s cause that the Rams offense has a few tweaks coming that seem to play into his skill set. Rhaney said he played in a zone-heavy scheme at Tennessee State and that new Rams offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti is adding wrinkles to the scheme that fit his style of play.
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LYONS:
The Rams have been impressed with Rhaney’s quick feet and low center of gravity.
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August 1, 2015 at 3:23 pm #27870AgamemnonParticipantA few items:
I read somewhere that zone blocking helps make pass blocking simpler. Maybe it is a bit easier for Rookies to learn? I read every team does some zone blocking.
The main attribute for a center is intelligence, making line calls. That would be Jones. imo
If our center or any other oline position plays between to good players that helps immensely. imo
Like it helped Jacob Bell. He played well at Tenn. when he was between to good players. As Ram, he was on his own. I thought he suxed.
I like Havenstein, Brown, Donal, and Battle. Not sure about Wichmann, mostly cause he seems to be a pure guard. A pure guard needs to be a starter. Imo
Jones and Rhaney figure to be better playing guard than Barnes. imo -
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