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  • #53144
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    Warning: opinion-laden editorial ahead.

    Granted WR is not their strength (in terms of personnel acquisition.) And granted that Givens was a flat out bust.

    But there are some footnotes and asterisks in this story.

    Austin never was and never was going to be and isn’t and won’t be a pure receiver. He does not have it. He is a hybrid player—you have him run the ball, you use him on the routes he is good at. AND I was saying before they drafted him that he was not a pure receiver…and I was advocating drafting him.

    Another was shot in the head. Rams needed a slot receiver, Bailey was becoming their slot receiver, but he tragically suffered a freak non-football injury.

    One (who was emerging) was set back by a career threatening injury which seems to have taken a toll mentally. As I see it Quick has nothing to do with coaching. He got severely injured and has simply not been the same since. It is clearly and obviously a mental thing…and of course that probably means he’s done, he apparently is not going to come out of it.

    Britt is fine. He is what Givens was supposed to be. If they had a healthy, decent Quick, Bailey, and Britt that would have been better than the current situation, which mostly consists of watching their replacements and seeing how they develop.

    Meanwhile they spent the last 2 years trying to fix the qb and OL situations. But now they’re addressing WR at an emergency level, so of course we want to see how they do with this year’s (and next year’s) crop, plus Marquez. No one has any insight on that yet. Two of the rookies aren’t even playing yet (Spruce and Cooper).

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    #53147
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I agree with that.

    Two of the Rams top three receivers were struck down just as they were showing signs of becoming real threats. So the Rams have Britt, and a bunch of “We’ll see.”

    I think they two young TEs may also be helpful. In fact, I am kind of expecting Higbee to be an important pass catcher this year.

    #53151
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i like spruce. the force is strong in that one.

    #53154
    bnw
    Blocked

    i like spruce. the force is strong in that one.

    We need him to succeed bigly.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #53155
    Winnbrad
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    Britt is a below average WR. Always has been. Unfortunately, he’s the best we’ve got.

    The Rams have to hope that Cooper and Spruce become above average WRs. If Spruce can become a healthy version of Amendola we’d at least have a “chain mover” that could keep the O on the field more.

    Higbee is an unknown to me. Kendricks is exactly what we’ve seen for the last two years. He’s never going to be a great pass catcher or playmaker, but he’s not bad.

    Austin is Austin. He makes plays from time to time, but he will never be a WR. I agree with the “hybrid” label, and I like him, he makes plays.

    I see nothing special in Marquez. If he can’t stand out among this WR corps, then he’s in trouble. This is a very low bar to clear.

    #53156
    bnw
    Blocked

    This team can’t afford a Tavon Austin. The NFL is about specialists and he isn’t one. We have a top notch RB. We need a top notch WR. We at least need a decent QB.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #53157
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    Britt is a below average WR. Always has been. Unfortunately, he’s the best we’ve got.

    Well the way I see Britt is, he’s just not a #1 WR or a complete receiver. He’s basically a keeper version of Givens. Home run threat who can run a few other routes. But he’s actually good at that role. He had the 2nd highest YPR in the league last year.

    But, again, he’s a role player. Judging him against a more complete receiver, he’s lacking. Judging him as a deep threat who can do some other things too and he’s just fine.

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    #53158
    — X —
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    The Rams have to hope that Cooper and Spruce become above average WRs. If Spruce can become a healthy version of Amendola we’d at least have a “chain mover” that could keep the O on the field more.

    Keep an eye on Mike Thomas. I’ve done a lot of research on that dude, and have spoken to some pretty good talent scouts, and he has the potential to be an Isaac Bruce 2.0. His only (ONLY) knock is that he has a tendency to come up with the dropsies once in a while, but he makes up for that with some pretty spectacular catches and has really, really good range and athleticism. Really good at high pointing the ball in traffic too.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #53160
    JackPMiller
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    The 2017 Draft is not a strong WR draft. Not a guy you can say is a number 1 guy. Some solid guys we can hang get in the late rounds, but that is it.

    #53167
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I forgot about Thomas. He has some promise from what I can see.

    I think Quick is a goner when Spruce and Cooper are healthy, and I feel sorry for him – he was looking good when he went down – but he is out of time now.

    And I am excited by Spruce, too, but only have the one preseason game of information on him. He looked like a stronger Amendola – which I would take in a heartbeat. But this year I pretty much skipped on reading camp reports, so I don’t know what the summertime word on him was. And Hard Knocks focused on the future unemployed players.

    #53176
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    everything on spruce was nothing but positive.

    the only question i have is that he didn’t do it against better competition.

    although i’m not sure if he ever went against the first or second defense in practice. either way i would have liked to see him play more in the first half of preseason games.

    #53181
    Winnbrad
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    We need Spruce healthy. That’s my main question with him. From what I saw in preseason he can catch the ball in traffic. We need that Welker/Amendola (in their prime) kind of receiver. Hell, I’d take any good WR at this point.

    #53184
    bnw
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    We need Spruce healthy. That’s my main question with him. From what I saw in preseason he can catch the ball in traffic. We need that Welker/Amendola (in their prime) kind of receiver. Hell, I’d take any good WR at this point.

    Is Welker no longer on the team?

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #53186
    PA Ram
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    I’m pretty pleased with Britt right now–and what he does. Yes–it is limited but at least he is a deep threat. I don’t know what Tavon was doing, exactly–highstepping, a bit indecisive–dropping the ball. Tavon has to do better than this. Call him a receiver–a weapon–whatever–he has to be a big part of this offense. I don’t know that Quick was on his way to becoming any sort of star, but he had a decent year last year before becoming injured. Still—he seems like Jared Cook–a tease sort of player who will ultimately let you down. His problem is that he hasn’t staked a solid claim to a receiver position on this team.. Quick, Marquez–just a couple guys–nothing particularly special.

    I am very excited for Spruce and he could be a total flop–or he could be an Edleman type. I want to see how he plays in the real games.

    Also–I have some high hopes for Cooper.

    Thomas doesn’t do anything for me yet. I want to see consistency.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #53188
    Winnbrad
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    We need Spruce healthy. That’s my main question with him. From what I saw in preseason he can catch the ball in traffic. We need that Welker/Amendola (in their prime) kind of receiver. Hell, I’d take any good WR at this point.

    Is Welker no longer on the team?

    No. They let him go. And even if he were, at this point in his career, he’s useless. We need the younger version of Welker, but with better hands. I’m hoping that’s Spruce. If he can stay healthy.

    #53246
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    Britt and Givens are two very different wrs. Givens was a straight up burner and Britt’s game is power/redzone contested catches. Givens was a 4th round record setting rookie . Britt’s is a underwhelming 1st round pick. Givens went down hill quick and Britt has teased of a rebirth since coming to the Rams. Britt is 6’3″ Givens was 5’11” in boots. Britt 223lbs Givens 195lbs. With all due respect Zn what in the hell are you talking about ?

    #53247
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    Britt and Givens are two very different wrs. Givens was a straight up burner and Britt’s game is power/redzone contested catches. Givens was a 4th round record setting rookie . Britt’s is a underwhelming 1st round pick. Givens went down hill quick and Britt has teased of a rebirth since coming to the Rams. Britt is 6’3″ Givens was 5’11” in boots. Britt 223lbs Givens 195lbs. With all due respect Zn what in the hell are you talking about ?

    Well that’s all true.

    Britt’s big addition to the offense, though, is being a deep threat, though he can also do a little more.

    Givens was just a deep threat.

    I really was thinking about the role Britt plays. He is their long ball receiver. The point of saying that is to appreciate him for what he is, instead of comparing him to a role (all around #1 WR) he is not able to play.

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    #53260
    bnw
    Blocked

    We need Spruce healthy. That’s my main question with him. From what I saw in preseason he can catch the ball in traffic. We need that Welker/Amendola (in their prime) kind of receiver. Hell, I’d take any good WR at this point.

    Is Welker no longer on the team?

    No. They let him go. And even if he were, at this point in his career, he’s useless. We need the younger version of Welker, but with better hands. I’m hoping that’s Spruce. If he can stay healthy.

    He was catching the ball across the middle which has been problematic for Rams WRs.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #53263
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Britt is legit.

    He is not a #1, but he is a very good #2.

    He is the best WR the Rams have by far, and I don’t know who is second.

    #53281
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    Britt fits the Fisher mold better, his blocking ability . Givens needed a strong arm imo. I remember seeing out run Bradford’s arm a few times and once Bradford went down the Rams didn’t have anyone with enough arm to really use him properly. If you look at when Britt goes deep he usually has to adjust to an under thrown ball.Bradford as I write this is looking like the Vikes prayers answered.He’s carving up Green Bay pretty good for only being there 2 weeks.

    #53282
    Avatar photozn
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    Britt fits the Fisher mold better, his blocking ability . Givens needed a strong arm imo. I remember seeing out run Bradford’s arm a few times and once Bradford went down the Rams didn’t have anyone with enough arm to really use him properly. If you look at when Britt goes deep he usually has to adjust to an under thrown ball.Bradford as I write this is looking like the Vikes prayers answered.He’s carving up Green Bay pretty good for only being there 2 weeks.

    No Britt does not usually have to adjust to an underthrown ball. He has, but to be fair I wouldn’t say “usually.”

    As it happens we have virtually every long throw from Keenu to Britt in the on highlight vids. I wouldn’t know where to find a vid with Foles to Britt.

    And Givens fell apart long before Bradford left. He was also cut by the Ravens and Eagles, who have qbs with arms (including Bradford, partly). Givens’s problem was he had nothing more to his game.

    Though the last long pass to Givens thrown by a Ram was Keenum, in a preseason game. He caught it in stride.

    It’s the 2nd pass here at about 0.24 in.

    #53301
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    Bradford played his last game for the Rams in game 7 2013. Givens was leading the wrs. at that point with about 300 yds including a 100yd game He finished with 569 leading all wrs. Remember they started with the idea to spread it out that season and did the reboot pounding the rock with Stacy. 2014 Fisher brought in Britt, drafted Tre Mason , Britt mentored Quick who is also great at blocking in the run game. TA and Bailey were starting to roll and Givens was the odd man out.I disagree he fell apart long before Bradford left. Bradford left before the draft Givens was traded after the 3rd game that same year 2015. in regards to being under thrown I was talking about Clemmons , Davis and Hill he didn’t play enough with Foles or Keenum, although that preseason bomb from Keenum was quite a bit better than Quick has showed so far this year or last for that matter.

    #53302
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    Thoughtful response ER. We may have to agree to disagree on Givens though…I probably just don’t like him as much as you do (not that you said he was Randy Moss).

    On Britt? I think he will be okay this year. I know he is not the same kind of player Givens is–they have different measurables and skill sets—but I do like KB in the deep ball role this year. You probably don’t like him as much as I do (and I don’t like him as much as I would an actual consistent #1 WR).

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    #53329
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    Yes I agree KB will be fine this year as the deep threat. Hopefully Cooper and especially Spruce can fulfill the promise shown in the preseason. That would help KB out a lot.

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