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  • #68025
    Avatar photozn
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    (Written after Friday’s picks)

    They don’t seem to have a central lead character type receiver, but a lot of interesting prospects for spreading the ball around. This seems very system oriented. Usually I like pragmatic coordinators who just adapt to what they have but in this case, if any of these guys pan out, it could work. The approach seems to be, have a collection of offensive skill players who allow you to play mismatch games with different defenses. So one week it’s 6 TE sets, and the next week it’s 12 WR sets. That kind of thing. Parts to shift and turn like a kaleidoscope.

    In the post-draft press conference McVay was praising Higbee, Cooper, and Hemingway. I mean I know to shower that in grains of salt but still.

    Including last draft, in 2 years the Rams have made 8 picks so far, and 6 of them have been TEs and WRs.

    It’s Higbee, Cooper, Thomas, Hemingway, Everett, and Krupp.

    Which btw is also my favorite law firm. But I digress.

    So add Woods to that.

    Out of that they need to come up with at least 1 TE who can play now, and in addition to Woods, one other WR who can play now.

    That’s of course not mentioning Tavon, Gurley, and Dunbar.

    #68033
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
    Participant

    We replaced Quick, Britt, and Kendricks with Kupp, Woods, and Everett. I think we are better off at WR and TE for doing that.

    Agamemnon

    #68086
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    We had three good picks, the rest, not so good. Kupp, and Reynolds are pretty decent WRs, and I like Tanzel Smart. Other than that, we reached for a TE, and a Safety. Did not draft Center, which we desperately needed, CB was a strength in this draft and we came out with nothing. Have to give this draft a solid D+ for the whole draft.

    #68115
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I’m giving them a “C” but then I have no idea so it’s a fairly safe grade. There isn’t one pick who stands out to me that makes me go: “YEAH!”. It’s more like a bunch of bodies who may bring certain skills which will allow the offense to exploit things–as zn said.

    I really was hoping they’d find a center somewhere in the draft but it didn’t work out that way.

    Everett? A lot seems to be riding on “potential”. I’m not saying he wasn’t productive. But it was a smaller school and that always gives me the “Brian Quick” heebee jeebees. But of course–I hope he’s much better than that. And he can’t be worse, really. Obviously tight ends are going to be important.

    Kupp? I just find myself wondering if a healthy Spruce could not have offered the same thing that Kupp will bring. But can Spruce stay healthy/ Good question. In any case, his value was fantastic for a 3rd round pick.

    The others? Just names to me for now.

    I hope they all pan out but some obviously won’t.

    Still, I do think that these players were picked with Phillips and McVay in mind–and what they want to do. I see a bunch of role players–hopefully solid role players and championship teams certainly need that.

    The stars will still have to be Gurley, Goff, and Austin. If those three perform then these role players will be just what the team needs. But a team needs some stars too and a coach with a plan.

    Stay tuned.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #68122
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
    Participant

    They did better than I expected. B to B+

    Agamemnon

    #68169
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    I’d rate it Fairly Bleh, I guess. I don’t think I’ve been less inspired by a draft, actually.

    I just have no love for TEs to begin with. The Rams seem to draft them as much or more than any other position, and they are all JAGs, basically, with the star of the past couple of decades being Kendricks who was Adequate. And the guy is Division II, yeah? I dunno, but that doesn’t fire up the fans with the bags over their heads.

    Overall, I’m not wild about the positions drafted, though I certainly wanted WR. I like what I read about Kupp. That’s probably my favorite pick. I’m going to get over the fact that he looks like a pretty boy high school senior who thinks way too highly of himself because he is apparently a hard-working tough guy who gets the job done, so….

    There are some decent-looking prospects, but not one “steal.” I just wouldn’t be surprised if none of these guys made it six years in the league. And many of them played against Podunk U. every week, so it just seems dicey to me.

    However, none of that is a Prediction because I have no idea. And I have loved some drafts in the past that were complete disasters in retrospect, so I dunno.

    I am going to say, at this point, it looks like Snead got a lot of input from McVay and Phillips, and both those guys have good to great track records, and if Everett and Kupp and Johnson make impacts, I will just sit back and claim I saw it all coming from the beginning, I suppose.

    #68170
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i love the kupp and johnson picks. i have an extreme crush on rogers. i give those picks A’s.

    reynolds and ebukam i give a solid B.

    the other picks i am on the fence. i don’t know why they picked smart. unless he can play nose tackle.

    price. i don’t know. i like the character. but he’s been injured for the last 2 years?

    everett. hey. if he can surpass jordan reed like he says he plans to do? and if he can stay healthy which reed never has been able to do? then i’ll eat my words.

    so i’ll give them a b.

    #68190
    Avatar photowv
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    I rate it, “wait and see.”

    Things I’ll be watching for next season in order of importance:

    1 Goff
    2 Quinn
    3 OLine
    4 Wade Phillips
    5 Gurley

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    #68193
    Avatar photosnowman
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    I liked it. They addressed the need at skill positions on offense, they addressed to secondary with all the contracts ending after next season and I like the way they traded up and down. I kind of realized they were not drafting a center after the fourth round ended, and that’s Ok. I would guess that many pro centers played some guard in college. No big name players, but when your first pick is scheduled at #37 they are long gone.

    #68200
    Avatar photozn
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    My first post on this just does Friday. This one does the whole draft.

    Frankly, I can’t remember the last draft where I saw something interesting and exciting in practically every pick.

    Everett. The skills are all there, but what sold me was an interview I saw with him. He just has the mind and mentality of a serious and passionate pro. A very impressive guy, but not in an over the top way–he’s just quietly intense and bright, yet down to earth. So if nothing else I am rooting for him. If he can master the Jordan Reed role, that would be very valuable. He’s also very good in the open field, very physical. Kind of a unique type for a receiving tight end when it comes to that.

    Johnson. Word around is, he just fits what Wade wants from his free safeties. This was a deep, deep draft for safeties–as deep a draft for safeties as anyone can remember–and so basically Wade just had his pick at that point. I just trust that. Both Rams safeties are FAs next year so this pick matters.

    Kupp. I can see why the draftniks are so into him. At minimum you get a taller Amendola, I think.

    Reynolds also inspired enthusiasm among the draftniks, and looking into him a bit, I can see why. He can make freaky Brandon Lloyd style gumby body adjustments and has a lot of tenacity.

    Ebukam. Wade again. They needed another OLB/rusher and there is a lot to like about this guy, plus Wade knows what he wants in a defender. This draft was not only deep at safety, it was deep at edge rusher too, and once again, Wade had his pick of what was there.

    Smart. Listening to the DL coach, they see him playing at all 3 DL positions (DT, NT, DE). He may be short but he has long arms and good leverage. They just see him as a playmaker, always in the backfield.

    Rogers is a crowd favorite, and rightly so. A good pass and run blocking FB they can line up anywhere, from in-line to in the backfield, plus he can catch and run some. Think of all the old original great WCO teams and their FBs. Same thing. Versatile.

    Price is kind of just a role player for passing downs but a very good one. If Smart and Price and Ebukam ALL work out, then, added to Donald, Quinn, and Barwin–plus Ogletree, I think–they are going to be drowning in pass rushers.

    If Everett, Kupp, and Reynolds can come through they will obviously get lots of playing time now and more in the future but it will probably be hard to name who are the “starters” among the skill players…they will just all get time. Rogers will probably be the FB, when they use a FB, and how much they do that remains to be seen. I see Johnson and Ebukam as starters, maybe as soon as 2018. Price will be situational unless they convert him to ILB and that would be down the road. Smart is rotational. The only one I have any doubts about making the squad is Smart.

    This is just a hunch/opinion in its early stages of forming, but, I have to say, it is clear how they ranked this draft. Forget about the normal ways of assessing picks. They add something–they want smart, dedicated, productive guys with great character. A type. And from what I can see, all of these guys fit that. If someone has all those things they will cut slack on other thins like level of competition and measureables. This was a McVay Rams draft from top to bottom. If you use THEIR criteria then this is an “A” draft.

    #68207
    Herzog
    Participant

    I give it an A also. They had a clear vision, and they got what they were looking for. I even think that fullback is going to be useful. I feel like Mcvay is building a Racecar. He knows what parts he needs and he is getting them. They don’t have to independently be the best parts in the world… they just have to fit together to make his car exemplary. Same thing with Wade.

    I am really excited for the future of this team.

    #68221
    sanbagger
    Participant

    I’m giving them a “C” but then I have no idea so it’s a fairly safe grade. There isn’t one pick who stands out to me that makes me go: “YEAH!”. It’s more like a bunch of bodies who may bring certain skills which will allow the offense to exploit things–as zn said.

    I really was hoping they’d find a center somewhere in the draft but it didn’t work out that way.

    Everett? A lot seems to be riding on “potential”. I’m not saying he wasn’t productive. But it was a smaller school and that always gives me the “Brian Quick” heebee jeebees. But of course–I hope he’s much better than that. And he can’t be worse, really. Obviously tight ends are going to be important.

    Kupp? I just find myself wondering if a healthy Spruce could not have offered the same thing that Kupp will bring. But can Spruce stay healthy/ Good question. In any case, his value was fantastic for a 3rd round pick.

    The others? Just names to me for now.

    I hope they all pan out but some obviously won’t.

    Still, I do think that these players were picked with Phillips and McVay in mind–and what they want to do. I see a bunch of role players–hopefully solid role players and championship teams certainly need that.

    The stars will still have to be Gurley, Goff, and Austin. If those three perform then these role players will be just what the team needs. But a team needs some stars too and a coach with a plan.

    Stay tuned.

    I agree with just about all of this. I’m grading them on my criteria and what I wanted….so a C it is.

    Why draft a fullback? I love Harkey….does the team have room for 2 FB’s?

    Kupp reminds me of another Spruce…but I can’t deny the production.

    Maybe a little harsh because I wanted a Center this year….again. Well, there’s always next year….again.

    #68223
    Avatar photowv
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    Maybe a little harsh because I wanted a Center this year….again. Well, there’s always next year….again.

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    On Spruce, looks to me like Kupp is a more athletic version of Spruce. I like Spruce but Kupp
    looks like he has more to offer than Spruce.

    The Center issue — this seems to be the one issue that is bothering Ram fans all over the internet.
    I dont have the slightest idea whether McV and his OLine coach have solved that problem, but if they havent its going to be a long year. Lets hope they know what they are doing.

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    #68225
    sanbagger
    Participant

    Maybe a little harsh because I wanted a Center this year….again. Well, there’s always next year….again.

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    On Spruce, looks to me like Kupp is a more athletic version of Spruce. I like Spruce but Kupp
    looks like he has more to offer than Spruce.

    The Center issue — this seems to be the one issue that is bothering Ram fans all over the internet.
    I dont have the slightest idea whether McV and his OLine coach have solved that problem, but if they havent its going to be a long year. Lets hope they know what they are doing.

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    Yea…I’ve read that about Kupp….It will interesting to see them head to head in pre-season to take a look at the comparison.

    I think Kromer is gonna get a back-up Center from what is already available…hopefully it pans out sooner rather than later as we are a knee injury from trouble right now IMO.

    #68240
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I am going to trust Phillips on the defense.
    I am going to trust Fassel on Special Teams.
    I am going to trust Kromer on the offensive line.
    I will see, McVay as he goes Martz on the offense. 😉
    I will see what Snead does without Fisher.
    I will see if Demoff’s protege can handle the cap and contracts.

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    #68257
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
    Participant

    I give it an A. I didn’t know they even had picks this year but we’ve go three WRs that can catch and one burner and I like that.

    #68412
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Which leads to another question–if all goes well, how many potential starters did the Rams get in this draft?

    Gerald Everett: starter, down the road. But “starter” becomes a little murky if McVay rotates a lot of different weapons

    Cooper Kupp: starter

    John Johnson: starter, down the road

    Josh Reynolds: future starter…though I am not as sure about him

    Samson Ebukam: starter, down the road

    Tanzel Smart: rotation/depth

    Sam Rogers: depends how much they use a FB, is he a packages guy or a “starter”?

    Ejuan Price: packages/rotation guy

    Btw if they get 4 starters out of 8 picks with no 1st rounder, that’s quite a draft.

    EDIT: I changed it to 5. It was originally 4.

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    #68515
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    I keep seeing people around who say, I wish they had taken Lamp…they still could have gotten Everett after taking Lamp.

    That got me tah thinkin and so I think this: I actually prefer Everett + Johnson over Lamp + Everett.

    This draft, looks to me, was about getting the guys they need for 2 new systems. Phillips uses his safeties very differently from Williams, so he needed a free safety prospect. And that is coming from a guy who likes Joyner.

    Everett is a McVay guy, of course, meaning a requirement for his system. The Rams had nothing like Everett.

    Apparently, Kromer does not feel he needs guys for HIS OL system. He thinks he has people on the roster, from the 2015 youngsters up to the 2 big free agent signings. And the Rams have sort of indicated that Kromer knew the 2015 guys from scouting them in Buffalo, that is he already knew about them, and thinks there are some players there.

    So I just do the math on that. McVay needs an Everett type and doesn’t have one, Phillips needs a Johnson type and doesn’t have one, Kromer thinks he’s set.

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    #68516
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
    Participant

    I think this: I actually prefer Everett + Johnson over Lamp + Everett.

    If I do the math, you like Johnson over Lamp. I know. You mentally factored in the extra 3rd round pick. 😉 But, I couldn’t resist.

    Agamemnon

    #68566
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    If I do the math, you like Johnson over Lamp. I know. You mentally factored in the extra 3rd round pick. But, I couldn’t resist.

    I know…what I did there was based on the claim some have made that if they had taken Lamp, they could have gotten Everett anyway.

    I keep seeing people around who say, I wish they had taken Lamp…they still could have gotten Everett after taking Lamp.

    So I was kind of responding to that, and saying even if that had happened like that, I would still prefer the Everett/Johnson option over that option.

    But see using absent posts as a springboard is probably not a very clear or effective way to set things up. So my bad.

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