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    wv
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    #124080
    Billy_T
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    I’m having trouble finding the article again. But apparently there’s a woman, asymptomatic, who was shedding infectious virus particles for 70 days, breaking all previously known records.

    The longest period for being infectious for those with symptoms, according to the article, was 61 days.

    That’s not a good sign.

    #124085
    Billy_T
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    #124168
    zn
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    COVID-19 Hospitalizations Are Surging. Where Are Hospitals Reaching Capacity?
    Surging hospitalizations are straining health care systems around the United States.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/10/933253317/covid-19-hospitalizations-are-surging-where-are-hospitals-reaching-capacity

    Throughout the U.S., hospitals and health care workers are tracking the skyrocketing number of new coronavirus cases in their communities and bracing for a flood of patients to come in the wake of those infections. Already, seriously ill COVID-19 patients are starting to fill up hospital beds at unsustainable rates.

    U.S. hospitalizations overall have nearly doubled since late September. As of Tuesday, 59,275 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized around the country, nearly on par with the highs of the midsummer and spring surges.

    “We have legitimate reason to be very, very concerned about our health system at a national level,” says Lauren Sauer, an assistant professor of emergency medicine at Johns Hopkins University who studies hospital surge capacity.

    The spring and summer waves of COVID-19 hospitalizations were concentrated largely in a handful of cities in the Northeast and parts of the South.

    With the virus now surging across the country, experts warn that the impact of this next wave of hospitalizations will be even more devastating and protracted.

    “I fear that we’re going to have multiple epicenters,” says Dr. Mahshid Abir, an emergency physician at the University of Michigan and researcher at the Rand Corp. who has developed a model that helps hospitals manage surge capacity.

    If that happens, Abir warns that there won’t be flexibility to shuffle around resources to the places in need because everywhere will be overwhelmed.

    The impact varies state by state with certain areas showing much more rapid increases in hospitalizations. As of Monday, hospitalizations are now rising in 47 states, according to data collected by The COVID Tracking Project, and 22 states are seeing their highest numbers of COVID-19 hospitalizations since the pandemic began.

    Where are hospitals at risk of maxing out?

    With the numbers growing nearly everywhere, the key question for hospital leaders and policymakers is, when is a community on the brink of having more patients than it can handle?

    In parts of the Midwest and the West, hospitals are already brushing up against their capacity to deliver care. Some are struggling to find room for patients, even in large urban hospitals that have more beds.

    But the surge in hospitalizations is not evenly spread — and hospitals’ capacity for weathering case surges varies greatly.

    One way to gauge the growing stress on a health care system is by tracking the share of hospital beds occupied by COVID-19 patients.

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    The federal department of Health and Human Services tracks and publishes this data at the state (but not the local) level. Several experts NPR spoke to say that, though imperfect, this is one of the best metrics communities have to work with.

    Though there’s not a fixed threshold that applies to all hospitals, generally speaking, once COVID-19 hospitalizations exceed 10% of all available beds, that signals an increasing risk that the health care system could soon be overwhelmed, explains Sauer.

    “We start to pay attention above 5%,” says Sauer. “Above that, 10% is where we think, ‘Perhaps we have to start enacting surge strategies and crisis standards of care in some places.'”

    Crisis standards of care is a broad term for how to prioritize medical treatment when resources are scarce. In the most extreme cases, that can lead to rationing of care based on a patient’s chance of survival.

    The latest data from HHS shows that in 18 states — mostly in the Midwest — COVID-19 hospitalizations have already climbed above 10%.

    Six states are over 15%, including North Dakota and South Dakota, which are now over 20%.

    Hospital capacity is flexible … until it’s not

    The percentage of hospital beds taken up by COVID-19 patients does not tell a complete story about hospital capacity, says Sauer, but it’s a starting point.

    Hospital capacity is not so much a static number, but an ever-shifting balance of resources. “It’s space, staff and stuff, and you need all three, and if you don’t have one, it doesn’t matter if you have the other two,” says Abir.

    The level of COVID-19 hospitalizations that would be a crisis in one place might not be in another. Still, a growing share of beds occupied by COVID-19 patients can be a strong signal that the health care system is headed for trouble.

    COVID-19 patients can be more labor intensive because health care workers have to follow intricate protocols around personal protective equipment and infection control. And some of the patients take up ICU space.

    “When the numbers go up like that, particularly for critical care, that strains the system pretty significantly,” says Abir. “This is a scarce resource. Critical care nurses are scarce. Ventilators are scarce. Respiratory therapists are scarce.”

    In Utah, where the share of hospitalized COVID-19 patients is about 8%, state health officials have already warned that hospitals may soon be forced to ration care because of limited ICU space.

    There is no “magic number” to indicate when a health care system may be overwhelmed, says Eugene Litvak, who is CEO of the Institute for Healthcare Optimization and helps advise hospitals on how to manage their capacity. But hospitals must be alert to rapid increases in patient load.

    “Even a 10% increase can be quite dangerous,” says Litvak. “If you are a hospital that’s half empty, you can tolerate it.” But U.S. hospitals generally run close to capacity, Litvak says, with above 90% of beds already full — especially toward the end of the week.

    “Imagine that 10% of extremely sick patients on top of that,” he says. “What are your options? You can not admit ambulances and patients with non-COVID medical needs, or you have to cancel your elective surgeries.”

    In the spring, some states ordered that most elective surgeries come to a halt so that hospitals had room for COVID-19 patients, but Litvak says this leads to all kinds of collateral damage because patients don’t get the care they need and hospitals lose money and lay off staff.

    State data may miss local hot spots

    Statewide COVID-19 hospitalization metrics mask huge variations within a state. Certain health care systems or metro areas may be in crisis.

    “It’s very valuable information, but a state average can be misleading,” says Ali Mokdad with the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, which projects that many states will face big problems with hospital capacity this winter. “It doesn’t tell you where in the states it’s happening.”

    Big urban centers may be much better equipped to absorb a rush of patients than smaller towns.

    In New York City, Mount Sinai Health System was able to more than double its bed capacity during the spring surge. Other communities don’t have the ability to ramp up capacity so quickly.

    “Especially the states that don’t have major cities with major hospitals, you see a lot of stress on them,” Mokdad says.

    But it’s hard for researchers and health leaders to get a clear picture of what’s happening regionally without good data, he adds. NPR has reported that the federal government does not share this local data, although it does collect it daily.

    Some states publish their own hospital data sets. Texas, which shares the data in detail, provides a striking example. Statewide, COVID-19 hospitalizations have reached about 11%. Meanwhile, El Paso is above 40%, which has pushed the health care system to the brink.

    Ultimately, it’s difficult to know the true capacity for a region because many hospitals still don’t coordinate well, says Dr. Christina Cutter, an emergency physician at the University of Michigan who collaborated on the Rand model with Abir.

    “It’s really hard to make sure you’re leveraging all the resources and that one hospital is not overburdened compared to another hospital, and that may have unintended loss of life as a consequence,” Cutter says.

    Dire consequences of overfilled hospitals

    During the height of Arizona’s summer surge, COVID-19 patients filled nearly half of all beds in the state.

    “When 50% of our hospital is doing COVID, it means the hospital is overloaded. It means that other services in that hospital are being delayed,” says Mokdad. “The hospital becomes a nightmare.”

    Health care workers are pushed to their limits and are required to treat more patients at the same time. Hospitals can construct makeshift field hospitals to add to their capacity, but those can be logistically challenging and still require health care workers to staff the beds.

    In Wisconsin, COVID-19 patients account for 17% of all hospitalizations, and many hospitals are warning that they are at or near capacity.

    The Marshfield Clinic Health System, which runs nine hospitals in primarily rural parts of the state, is expecting its share of COVID-19 patients to double, if not more, by the end of the month.

    “That will push us well beyond our staffing levels,” says Dr. William Melms, chief medical officer at Marshfield. “We can always make more space, but creating the manpower to take care of our patients is the dilemma.”

    During earlier surges, many hospitals relied on bringing in hundreds or even thousands of out-of-state health care workers for backup, but Melms says that is not happening this time.

    “We are on an island out here,” he says.

    An increase in COVID-19 hospitalizations statewide is also associated with higher mortality, according to a recent study that analyzed the relationship between COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths.

    “It’s an indicator that you’re going to have more deaths from COVID as you see the numbers inch up in the hospital,” says Pinar Karaca-Mandic, professor and academic director of the Medical Industry Leadership Institute at the University of Minnesota.

    Specifically, Karaca-Mandic’s research found that a 1% increase of COVID-19 patients in a state’s ICU beds will lead to about 2.8 additional deaths in the next seven days.

    She says a statewide level of 20% COVID-19 hospitalizations may not look all that alarming, but that number doesn’t capture the constraints on the health care system in adding more ICU beds.

    “That’s not very flexible,” she says. “It requires a lot of planning. It requires a lot of investments. So the more you fill up the ICU, the impact is going to be larger.”

    #124256
    zn
    Moderator

    Fauci said the US has ‘no appetite’ for lockdowns but mask wearing and distancing could be enough, the day after a Biden advisor called for a weeks-long lockdown

    https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-us-no-appetite-for-lockdown-masks-distancing-needed-2020-11

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top US infectious-disease expert, on Thursday said the country had “no appetite” for lockdowns but that wearing masks and social distancing could be enough to control the coronavirus outbreak.

    Fauci, who serves on the White House coronavirus task force, made the comments the day after Michael Osterholm, a COVID-19 advisor to President-elect Joe Biden, recommended a national lockdown that could last between four to six weeks in a bid to reduce the country’s infections.

    Biden himself has not advocated for a lockdown, but has called for a stronger strategy to address the health crisis. He has also repeatedly said that he will “listen to the scientists” when working on public-health policy.

    There is no indication that Fauci was responding directly to Osterholm’s suggestion of a lockdown, but said on “Good Morning America” on Thursday that there was “no appetite for locking down” among Americans.

    He did not cite evidence for this belief, though there have been anti-lockdown protests across the country since the pandemic began.

    Fauci added that “I believe that we can do it without a lockdown. I really do.”

    “The best opposite strategy to locking down is to intensify the public-health measures short of locking down,” he said. “So if you can do that well, you don’t have to take that step that people are trying to avoid, which has so many implications both psychologically and economically. We’d like not to do that.”

    He said that the US would not need to lock down if people followed other public-health advice, like wearing masks and social distancing.

    “What we need to do is what we’ve been talking about for some time now, but really doubling down on it,” he said.

    “There are certain fundamental, baseline things that you can do: universal and uniform wearing of masks; avoiding crowded, congregate situations; keeping physical distance.”

    “If we could just hang in there, do the public-health measures that we’re talking about, we’re going to get this under control, I promise you,” he added.

    While many countries have used weeks-long, localized or national lockdowns to try and control their outbreaks, the US has largely avoided that strategy, with President Donald Trump criticizing countries who have done them.

    The other measures for controlling the virus that Fauci endorsed are not being enforced either: Many US states don’t have mask mandates, and the restrictions on social gatherings vary across states.

    Biden has already created a coronavirus task force, which includes experts who have served under previous administrations during other infectious-disease outbreaks.

    Biden has also encouraged people to wear masks throughout the year.

    The US is the worst-hit country in the pandemic, having recorded the highest number of cases and deaths in the world.

    According to data from Johns Hopkins University, more than 10.5 million people in the US have tested positive for the virus, and more than 240,000 people have died.

    The US hit a record for the number of new coronavirus cases reported in a day on Thursday, with more than 150,000 new recorded. As of Thursday, more than 67,000 people were hospitalized for COVID-19 complications, an all-time high.

    #124258
    zn
    Moderator

    #124262
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I’m still, by turns, baffled, flummoxed, appalled and outraged by this nation’s support for Trump and the GOP, at any level. No well-informed, relatively intelligent, sane human could possibly look at all the ways Trump fucked this entire thing up, for the most selfish of reasons (personal adulation and blind allegiance), and still support him. He turned mask-wearing into a culture war!! He actually infected and killed his supporters and fans!! Not to mention doing everything he could to spread lies about the disease, thus spreading the disease, thus killing 250K Americans and counting.

    This isn’t a matter of things once hidden, like our covert wars around the world. That’s the kind of thing that can be debated until the evidence is out there. In the case of the pandemic, however, no one could escape the obvious, in real time, in the here and now, via Trump’s own words and tweets, and the results.

    No way to spin this. No way to conceivably scapegoat others.

    By all rights, 99% of the nation should have rejected Trump and the GOP based on nothing more than the pandemic. Not necessarily as any kind of embrace of Biden and the Dems, but simply as an indictment on the worst government response to a national emergency in our history.

    It’s not close.

    #124278
    zn
    Moderator

    Adam Amin@adamamin
    I was going to type some emotional tweet about how I’m thankful to be back on NFL coverage this week and I am but most of you don’t care and that’s fine.

    I’m 33 and healthy and I got COVID and it sucked. It sucked feeling like a truck hit me and having no life in my body.

    It sucked going from my bed to my kitchen for water and feeling like I was going to pass out. It sucked feeling like I couldn’t breathe beyond 50% capacity for three days, fearing the same thing that Emmanuel Sanders, A PRO FOOTBALL PLAYER, feared.

    Save your “survival rate” and “infection rate” screenshots. I’ve seen them. They won’t matter to you if you, the individual, go to bed honestly wondering if your body will stop working overnight. I’m not sure how people can’t comprehend that. The whole experience sucked.

    And it sucked a lot less because I took in a lower viral load cause I wore a mask as diligently as I have while traveling. I don’t know when my lungs will decide to be 100% again but I’m going to work my ass off to get them as close to normal as possible

    In the meantime, have some empathy for your fellow human, in fact for millions who dealt with this and likely will continue to deal with this in some capacity, hopefully a small one, and wear the fucking masks and stop bitching about LITERALLY the least you are being asked to do.

    I usually say things nicely, so I apologize if this wasn’t nice.

    But I don’t want to feel the way my body felt like that again. And I don’t want you to have to feel that way either. So I say these things in hopes that maybe you’ll minimize the chance you or someone else gets it.

    #124282
    zn
    Moderator

    #124293
    zn
    Moderator

    from ‘No One Is Listening to Us’
    More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can’t go on like this.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/?fbclid=IwAR27_eCSc48uJXsmkaMydzbwbSLSHlRDZmAbvpUss-TEpfW4zpH8hL4yiIo

    Every time nurse Megan Ranney returns to the hospital, there are more COVID-19 patients.

    In the months since March, many Americans have habituated to the horrors of the pandemic. But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: They’re facing a third pandemic surge that is bigger and broader than the previous two. In the U.S., states now report more people in the hospital with COVID-19 than at any other point this year—and 40 percent more than just two weeks ago.

    Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak. Hatton says that his intensive-care unit is housing twice as many patients as it normally does. His shifts usually last 12 to 24 hours, but can stretch to 36. “There are times I’ll come in in the morning, see patients, work that night, work all the next day, and then go home,” he told me. I asked him how many such shifts he has had to do. “Too many,” he said.

    Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they’ve ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. “It was doable over the summer, but now it’s just too much,” says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. “Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them.” I asked her how much slack the system has left. “There is none,” she said.

    The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that’s more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, “when their system was near collapse,” Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today’s soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. “The wave hasn’t even crashed down on us yet,” Perencevich said. “It keeps rising and rising, and we’re all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question.”

    In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren’t enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn’t some miracle drug. It’s the expertise of its health-care workers—and they are exhausted.

    The struggles of the first two COVID-19 surges in the United States helped hospitals steel themselves for the third. Hardened by the crucible of March and April, New York City built up its ability to spot burgeoning hot spots, trace contacts, and offer places where infected people can isolate. “We’re seeing red flags but we’ve prepared ourselves,” says Syra Madad from NYC Health + Hospitals. Experienced health-care workers are less fearful than they were earlier this year. “We’ve been through this before and we know what we have to do,” says Uché Blackstock, an emergency physician who works in Brooklyn. And with the new generation of rapid tests, Blackstock says she can now tell patients if they have the coronavirus within minutes—a huge improvement over the spring, when tests were scarce and slow.

    Smaller clinics, nursing homes, and long-term-care facilities are still struggling to provide personal protective equipment, including gloves and masks. “About a third are completely out of at least one type of PPE” despite having COVID-19 cases, says Esther Choo, a physician at Oregon Health and Science University and a founder of Get Us PPE. But larger hospitals are doing better, having built up stockpiles and backup plans in case supply chains become strained again. “The hospital is probably the safest place to work in Iowa, because we actually have PPE,” Perencevich said.

    Most important, COVID-19 is no longer a total mystery. Health-care workers now have a clearer idea of what the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is capable of. Protocols that didn’t exist in the spring have become habit. “It used to be that to do a single thing, people would start email chains and you’d be 100 emails in before we knew the answer,” Choo says. “Now we’re moving faster. It feels a lot more confident.”

    There are still no cures, and the best drug on offer—the steroid dexamethasone—reduces the odds of dying from COVID-19 by at most 12 percent. But doctors know how to triage patients, which tests to order, and which treatments to use. They know that ventilators can sometimes hurt patients, and that “proning”—flipping patients onto their stomach—can help. They know about the blood clots and kidney problems. They know that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work. This cumulative knowledge means that death rates from COVID-19 are much lower now than they were in the spring. Flattening the curve worked as intended, giving health-care workers some breathing room to learn how to handle a disease that didn’t even exist this time last year.

    But these hard-earned successes are brittle. If death rates have fallen thanks to increasing medical savvy, they might rise again as nurses and doctors burn out. “If we can get patients into staffed beds, I feel like they’re doing better,” Perencevich said. “But that requires a functional health-care system, and we’re at the point where we aren’t going to have that.”

    Intensive-care units are called that for a reason. A typical patient with a severe case of COVID-19 will have a tube connecting their airways to a ventilator, which must be monitored by a respiratory therapist. If their kidneys shut down, they might be on 24-hour dialysis. Every day, they’ll need to be flipped onto their stomach, and then onto their back again—a process that requires six or seven people. They’ll have several tubes going into their heart and blood vessels, administering eight to 12 drugs—sedatives, pain medications, blood thinners, antibiotics, and more. All of these must be carefully adjusted, sometimes minute to minute, by an ICU nurse. None of these drugs is for treating COVID-19 itself. “That’s just to keep them alive,” Neville, the Iowa nurse, said. An ICU nurse can typically care for two people at a time, but a single COVID-19 patient can consume their full attention. Those patients remain in the ICU for three times the length of the usual stay.

    Nurses and doctors are also falling sick themselves. “The winter is traditionally a very stressful time in health care, and everyone gets taken down at some point,” says Saskia Popescu, an infection preventionist at George Mason University, who is based in Arizona. The third COVID-19 surge has intensified this seasonal cycle, as health-care workers catch the virus, often from outside the hospital. “Our unplanned time off is double what it was last October,” says Allison Suttle of Sanford Health, a health system operating in South Dakota, North Dakota, and Minnesota. Many hospitals have staff on triple backup: While off their shifts, they should expect to get called in if a colleague and their first substitute and the substitute’s substitute are all sick. At least 1,375 U.S. health-care workers have died from COVID-19.

    The first two surges were concentrated in specific parts of the country, so beleaguered hospitals could call for help from states that weren’t besieged. “People were coming to us in our hour of need,” says Madad, from NYC Health + Hospitals, “but now the entire nation is on fire.” No one has reinforcements to send. There are travel nurses who aren’t tied to specific health systems, but the hardest-hit rural hospitals are struggling to attract them away from wealthier, urban centers. “Everyone is tapping into the same pool, and people don’t want to work in Fargo, North Dakota, for the holidays,” Suttle says. North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum recently said that nurses who are positive for COVID-19 but symptom-free can return to work in COVID-19 units. “That’s just a big red flag of just how serious it is,” Suttle says. (The North Dakota Nurses Association has rejected the policy.)

    Short-staffed hospitals could transfer their patients—but to where? “A lot of smaller hospitals don’t have ventilators or staff trained to take care of someone in critical condition,” says Renae Moch, the director of Bismarck-Burleigh Public Health, North Dakota. “They’re looking to larger hospitals,” but those are also full.

    Making matters worse, patients with other medical problems are sicker than usual, several doctors told me. During the earlier surges, hospitals canceled elective surgeries and pulled in doctors from outpatient clinics. People with heart problems, cancers, strokes, and other diseases found it harder to get medical help, and some sat on their illness for fear of contracting COVID-19 at the hospital. Now health-care workers are facing an influx of unusually sick people at a time when COVID-19 has consumed their attention and their facilities. “We’re still catching up on all of that,” says Choo, the Oregon physician. “Even the simplest patients aren’t simple.”

    For many health-care workers, the toll of the pandemic goes beyond physical exhaustion. COVID-19 has eaten away at the emotional core of their work. “To be a nurse, you really have to care about people,” Neville said. But when an ICU is packed with COVID-19 patients, most of whom are likely to die, “to protect yourself, you just shut down. You get to the point when you realize that you’ve become a machine. There’s only so many bags you can zip.”

    As the pandemic moved out of big coastal cities and into rural communities, health-care workers were more likely to treat people they knew personally—relatives, hospital colleagues, the bus driver who drove their kids to school. And across the country, doctors and nurses have struggled with the same anxieties as everyone else—loneliness, extra child-care burdens, the stress of a tumultuous year, fear. “The lines between our personal lives and our careers have completely gone,” says Laolu Fayanju, senior medical director in Ohio of Oak Street Health, a national network of primary-care centers. “We’re often thinking about how we protect ourselves, our families, and our neighborhoods” from the pandemic.

    After SARS hit Toronto in 2003, health-care workers at hospitals that treated SARS patients showed higher levels of burnout and posttraumatic stress up to two years later, compared with those at hospitals in nearby cities that didn’t see the disease. That outbreak lasted just four months. The COVID-19 pandemic is now in its tenth month. “I’ve had conversations with people who’ve been nurses for 25 years, and all of them say the same thing: ‘We’ve never worked in this environment before,’” says Jennifer Gil from Thomas Jefferson University Hospital in Philadelphia, who contracted COVID-19 herself in March. “How much can meditation or mental-health resources help when we’re doing this every day?”

    Even after cases stop climbing, health-care workers will have to catch up on a new round of procedures that didn’t happen because of COVID-19—but without the adrenaline that a packed hospital brings. “Everyone talks about fatigue during the surge, but one of the hardest things is coming down from it,” Popescu says. “You’re exhausted but you still don’t get that mental break.”

    As hard as the work fatigue is, the “societal fatigue” is harder, said Hatton, the Utah pulmonary specialist. He is tired of walking out of an ICU where COVID-19 has killed another patient, and walking into a grocery store where he hears people saying it doesn’t exist. Health-care workers and public-health officials have received threats and abusive messages accusing them of fearmongering. They’ve watched as friends have adopted Donald Trump’s lies about doctors juking the hospitalization numbers to get more money. They’ve pleaded with family members to wear masks and physically distance, lest they end up competing for ICU beds that no longer exist. “Nurses have been the most trusted profession for 18 years in a row, which is now bullshit because no one is listening to us,” Neville said.

    Choo also studies the impacts of health-care policy, and has found that health-care systems sometimes react to imminent policies months before they are actually come into force.

    Still, “you can’t just fix a pandemic this far down the rabbit hole,” Popescu says. “I’m hopeful, but I don’t expect this to suddenly turn itself around overnight.”

    “We can’t just sit on our hands and wait for Jan. 20 to come,” said Megan Ranney, the Rhode Island physician. Several health-care workers I spoke with are trying to keep mild cases of COVID-19 from becoming severe enough to warrant an ICU bed. The Oak Street Health primary-care centers deliver fluids, pulse oximeters, and smart tablets to the homes of newly diagnosed COVID-19 patients, so doctors can check on their symptoms virtually. In North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota, the Sanford Health network has set up outpatient “infusion centers” where elderly COVID-19 patients or those with chronic illnesses can get drugs that might slow the progression of their disease. These drugs will include the antibody therapy bamlanivimab, which received an emergency-use authorization from the FDA on Monday, Suttle told me.

    But the best strategy remains the obvious one: Keep people from getting infected at all. Once again, the fate of the U.S. health-care system depends on the collective action of its citizens. Once again, the nation must flatten the curve. This need not involve a lockdown. We now know that the coronavirus mostly spreads through the air, and does so easily when people spend prolonged periods together in poorly ventilated areas. People can reduce their risk by wearing masks and avoiding indoor spaces such as restaurants, bars, and gyms, where the possibility of transmission is especially high (no matter how often these places clean their surfaces). Thanksgiving and Christmas gatherings, for which several generations will travel around the country for days of close indoor contact and constant conversation, will be risky too.

    Preliminary results suggest that at least one effective vaccine is on the way. The choices made in the coming weeks will influence how many Americans die before they have a chance to receive it, and how many health-care workers are broken in the process.

    #124296
    Billy_T
    Participant

    ZN,

    You’ve done a great job of posting evidence and pertinent articles. I’d be very interested in your own views, especially regarding the relative effectiveness of the US response to this crisis — local, state, federal.

    Straight up. No holds barred. What’s your honest assessment regarding how we’ve faced or failed to face this existential threat? And how to do see our response impacting the rest of the world?

    Same goes with everyone else who posts here.

    #124298
    Zooey
    Moderator

    By all rights, 99% of the nation should have rejected Trump and the GOP based on nothing more than the pandemic. Not necessarily as any kind of embrace of Biden and the Dems, but simply as an indictment on the worst government response to a national emergency in our history.

    It’s not close.

    Agree with all that.

    Never mind ALL the OTHER STUFF. This alone….

    #124299
    zn
    Moderator

    Straight up. No holds barred. What’s your honest assessment regarding how we’ve faced or failed to face this existential threat? And how to do see our response impacting the rest of the world?

    Until something convinces me otherwise, I think three things. None of which are original. 😎

    1. That the main protocols such as masking, distancing, avoiding crowded poorly ventilated indoors places, testing–if done consistently by a large percentage of the population–works. I think all of that can keep the numbers down until the vaccine rides in (bugels blowing).

    2. We never really did any of that. Not in a committed, decisive, nationally unified way. That goes straight to leadership. Leaders at all levels could have led on this–blasted the message out, debunked the myths, honestly conveyed valid info, assured people the protocols work. That failure was catastrophic.

    3. At a completely different level, I believe the virus took an economic toll, but in a different way than that is usually said. (Not different from here, different from the mainstream.) That is, the viruas completely exposed the policy and economic deficiencies that haunt our system. I recently posted info that shows there are mental health issues not just with those who got stressed out by the lockdown, but also by at risk populations who are reacting to the virus itself–that is, a primary source of anxiety is the vulnerability of those who have a higher likelihood of either getting the virus or of getting sick from it. These include people who are listed as “essential workers” (I post that bit at the end below). There’s all that plus the fact that death rates depended upon whether your hospital was for a high-bracket or low-bracket income population, plus the fact that we don’t have public insurance, plus the fact that we have no basic workers protection like in Europe (so staying away from work does not mean starving), and so on and so on and so on.

    from https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6932a1-H.pdf

    “The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic has been associated with mental health challenges related to the morbidity and mortality caused by the disease and to mitigation activities, including the impact of physical distancing and stay-at-home orders.* Symptoms of anxiety disorder and depressive disorder increased considerably in the United States during April–June of 2020, compared with the same period in 2019 (1,2). To assess mental health, substance use, and suicidal ideation during the pandemic, representative panel surveys were conducted among adults aged ≥18 years across the United States during June 24–30, 2020. Overall, 40.9% of respondents reported at least one adverse mental or behavioral health condition, including symptoms of anxiety disorder or depressive disorder (30.9%), symptoms of a trauma- and stressor-related disorder (TSRD) related to the pandemic† (26.3%), and having started or increased substance use to cope with stress or emotions related to COVID-19 (13.3%). The percentage of respondents who reported having seriously considered suicide in the 30 days before completing the survey (10.7%) was significantly higher among respondents aged 18–24 years (25.5%), minority racial/ethnic groups (Hispanic respondents [18.6%], non-Hispanic black [black] respondents [15.1%]), self-reported unpaid caregivers for adults§ (30.7%), and essential workers¶ (21.7%). Community-level intervention and prevention efforts, including health communication strategies, designed to reach these groups could help address various mental health conditions associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

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    zn
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    Rep.-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene, supporter of QAnon, denounces House mask requirement
    “In GA, we work out, shop, go to restaurants, go to work, and school without masks,” Greene continued. “My body, my choice.”
    https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-congress-masks-oppressive-orientation-191419432.html

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    wv
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    As per usual, i have no idea how accurate this website or article is:
    Sweden:https://debunkingdenialism.com/2020/07/29/sweden-did-not-take-herd-immunity-approach-against-coronavirus-pandemic/
    Sweden Did Not Take Herd Immunity Approach Against Coronavirus Pandemic
    July 29
    There is currently a tsunami of misinformation out there about how Sweden handled the coronavirus pandemic. Sweden did not opt to use a brief hard lockdown like many other countries, but instead put into place a robust set of long-term restrictions that combined both legal bans and voluntary guidelines. This was because leaving a hard lockdown would probably cause a major increase in number of cases as societies opened up again.

    The benefits of the Swedish strategy now appears to be confirmed because both the United States and many countries in Europe are now seeing hundreds of post-lockdown outbreaks. The current number of reported cases per day in the United States has passed the previous peak that the brief and hard lockdown was suppose to hammer down and rests on somewhere between 60 000 and 70 000 (which are just the tip of the ice berg as many cases go undiscovered).

    In contrast, the number of new reported cases, the number of new ICU cases and the number of deaths are small and continuing going down in July of 2020 in Sweden. During the past 14 days, the average number of new ICU cases for COVID-19 in Sweden was one individual per day according to the Swedish Intensive Care Registry (the featured image above is from this source). More detailed data is presented below. Both deaths and new ICU cases peaked in April….

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    wv
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    zn
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    Science Has Learned So Much About COVID—and the Trump Administration Hasn’t Learned Anything at All
    We’ve come a long way since March, yet our leaders are giving up.

    * https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/11/science-has-learned-so-much-about-covid-and-the-trump-administration-hasnt-learned-anything-at-all/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-motherjonesmag&utm_content=later-12061299&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram&fbclid=IwAR0vK6NFHQWS49wak3FxoItjOCV3DXXYSwPDLQzfoT84Nn1jdY7Oitc95kQ

    We are in the throes of the coronavirus’ deadly third surge. Daily cases in the United States are getting dangerously close to 200,000, and a map with each state’s case count basically looks like one big hot spot. New stay-at-home advisories and mask mandates have been issued in some communities in the Midwest. California is putting the brakes on its reopening plans. ICUs are filling up fast. In North Dakota, health care workers who test positive but aren’t showing symptoms are being asked to report to work. Dr. Anthony Fauci recently warned that an additional 200,000 people could die of COVID by the spring if we don’t get things under control soon.

    How did we get to such a dark place? In part, it’s the fault of the cold weather driving people indoors, where the virus spreads much more efficiently. At Mother Jones, we’ve charted the abject failure of the Trump administration to do anything about the spread of the coronavirus—you can see its sweep in our timeline, which is called Superspreader in Chief. We’ve watched in horror as our leaders sat back and let a quarter of a million Americans die, promoting dangerous misinformation. The Great Barrington Declaration, embraced by White House coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas, basically suggests letting the virus run its course—a plan that would lead to millions of unnecessary deaths, mostly in vulnerable communities. For many reasons, it’s looking like Americans are just giving up.

    Our leaders’ attitude of indifference is contagious, and as a result, there’s an all-or-nothing kind of mentality as we go into the holidays: You can hole up in your house alone—or blithely ignore the disease and host a rager with 50 members of your extended family. Indeed, a new Ohio State poll out this week found that 38 percent of people surveyed planned to attend holiday gatherings of 10 or more people.

    When looking around for others to blame, the Trump administration has cast public health officials as the enemies—bloodless, liberal data wonks who want to enforce draconian lockdowns while destroying what’s left of the economy. Nothing could be further from the truth: Scientists are working overtime to figure out how we can reduce our risk so we can continue to live our lives. (If we had an effective public health messaging system, we’d know that, but I digress.)

    Here’s the secret that the Trump administration doesn’t want you to know: Science can set us free. Though the pandemic may seem to be dragging on indefinitely, we’re learning about the coronavirus at an unbelievable clip. Scientists know so much more now than they did back in March about how the virus spreads—and how to stop it in its tracks.

    One of my son’s favorite books is Boy, Were We Wrong About Dinosaurs! It’s all about how paleontologists have revised their hypotheses over the years as they uncover more fossils to learn from. It’s kind of been the same experience for epidemiologists, virologists, and infectious disease experts over these last nine months. Here’s a far from comprehensive list of some of the leaps they’ve made. Let’s call it Boy, Were We Wrong About the Coronavirus!

    Back in March, we thought: that the virus was transmitted on surfaces like doorknobs, counters, and food packaging.

    Now we know: that while the virus can survive on surfaces, it’s mostly transmitted through respiratory droplets from breathing, talking, laughing, singing, coughing, and sneezing.

    What that means: Most public health experts still emphasize the importance of hand-washing and regular surface cleaning, but they don’t recommend wiping down your groceries.

    Back in March, we thought: that masks weren’t effective in preventing the spread of the virus.
    Now we know: that cloth face coverings can protect both the wearer and those around them. One recent University of Washington study estimated that universal mask-wearing could save 130,000 lives by February. Masks may even act as a crude vaccine, exposing wearers to just enough virus to trigger an immune response.

    What that means: You can feel pretty safe running to the grocery store, the doctor’s office, or other public indoor spaces if you and others are wearing masks. You can minimize your risk of transmitting the virus during a holiday gathering if everyone wears masks and stays outside.

    Back in March, we thought: that only people who showed symptoms could transmit the coronavirus.

    Now we know: that asymptomatic people can and do spread the virus.
    What that means: Health care professionals can now tell patients who have been exposed to someone with the virus to isolate right away, even if they don’t feel sick, thereby preventing additional infections.

    Back in March, we thought: that we’d never be able to scale up testing enough to make a difference.

    Now we know: that while we still have a long way to go, testing is free, quick, and readily available in many places. Just this week, there was more good news on the testing front: The FDA has authorized the first at-home rapid test for the virus.

    What that means: We now have the ability to catch cases early, before the infected person has a chance to spread the virus to many others. The key now is convincing people to be tested and investing in systems to warn people who have been in close contact with those who test positive.

    Back in March, we thought: that air filtration systems might not help limit the spread of the virus.

    Now we know: that while they’re not enough on their own to protect us, when used correctly and in combination with masks, HEPA filters can help.
    What that means: Installing filters can offer an additional layer of protection for essential spaces like hospitals and classrooms.

    Back in March, we thought: that schools would be the main way that the coronavirus spreads.

    Now we know: that while school outbreaks do occur, indoor spaces where adults congregate are much more likely to lead to outbreaks. A recent study in the journal Nature found that in urban areas, restaurants, gyms, hotels, cafes, and houses of worship were the source of most superspreader events. Schools, meanwhile, have not seen as many outbreaks as experts initially feared, especially at the elementary level.

    What that means: We can prioritize reopening schools with appropriate safety measures—and putting more restrictions on restaurants, bars, gyms, and other adult-centered businesses.

    To explain the power of these measures, public health experts like to use the analogy of layers of slices of Swiss cheese. In one slice, there are many holes. If you add another slice, it covers up a few of those holes, and so on. The more layers, the closer you get to an opaque hunk of cheese. The more virus-protection strategies you layer on, the less likely it is the virus will sneak through.

    Of course there are more layers should infection occur: Coronavirus treatments have improved immensely—back in March the ventilator was basically the only tool doctors had, and it wasn’t a very good one. Now we know that “proning”—placing patients on their stomach—can help them breathe better. We have a fleet of promising medications, including, as of last week, an antibody treatment that seems to be effective in preventing severe disease. The brass ring, of course, is the promise of several highly effective vaccines expected to begin distribution before year’s end.

    But as I’ve written before, medical breakthroughs on their own won’t stop this virus. What’s more, despite what our leaders say, we don’t have to sit around and wait for a miracle cure, nor must we throw our hands up in despair and let the virus run loose. We do have agency in this situation. We have the power to protect ourselves and our loved ones, thanks to the dazzlingly fast and careful work of scientists. The best way to honor that work is by letting it empower us.

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    Emily@emilysuetaketwo
    I’m not going to be told I’m “living in fear” for wearing a mask by someone who is so afraid of the world that they need to bring a gun to Walmart.

    #124634
    canadaram
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    He said that the US would not need to lock down if people followed other public-health advice, like wearing masks and social distancing.

    Speaking strictly anecdotally, where I live far too many people do not follow basic public-health advice.

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    LARK@LARams520
    Had a doctors appointment yesterday. My doc told me in the next two weeks COVID cases will be the worst they’ve ever been. Asked me if we’ve had cases at work and if we haven’t, we will.

    Stay safe everyone, please.

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    nittany ram
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    Obituary of man who dies from COVID-19 admonishes anti-maskers…

    Link: https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article247594945.html

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