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    Mackeyser
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    Wouldn’t shutting down FOX be a kind of mercy killing?

    Why in every meme does she look like she just gave her hubby his birthday BJ and wants him to be happy, but absolutely, positively won’t swallow…

    So she’s just stuck there…with her mouth full and this weird awkward smile…thing…on her face.

    I dunno. It’s weird.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

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    #122081
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    Why in every meme does she look like she just gave her hubby his birthday BJ and wants him to be happy, but absolutely, positively won’t swallow…

    So she’s just stuck there…with her mouth full and this weird awkward smile…thing…on her face.

    I dunno. It’s weird.

    I just want you to know that I would pay above market value to spend a day with you and your family at a BBQ afternoon anywhere.

    I really, really wish you would post more here.

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    I hear this from people a lot:
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    When asked about Covid-19 and the current failures of our government, Biden always talks about masks but never brings up the fact that we need more Covid relief checks or addresses the homelessness crisis

    Not an accident

    And, btw, he keeps punching left and denouncing Sanders…the ONLY Democrat out on the trail campaigning in person.

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    When asked about Covid-19 and the current failures of our government, Biden always talks about masks but never brings up the fact that we need more Covid relief checks or addresses the homelessness crisis

    Not an accident

    And, btw, he keeps punching left and denouncing Sanders…the ONLY Democrat out on the trail campaigning in person.

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    Well, its very tempting for leftists like us, to think the best strategy for HIM would be to lean left. But is that really accurate? I am not convinced.

    I keep thinking about the senate: 99-1.

    If i were a corporate-dem, why in the hell would i trust the folks who got the “1” elected, instead of the folks that got the 99 elected.

    Sure the polls say, 60 or 70 percent of folks want M4A etc. But they dont VOTE that way do they. I mean even in a DEM primary, Biden beat Bernie. Straight up. Liberals/Dems had a choice — and they chose AGAINST the leftist.

    So why would Biden lean left? If i were his evil-political-adviser I’d tell Biden to do just what he’s doing. Be bland, and lean towards Right-Center. The DNC strategy.

    I hate it. But it is what it is.

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    #122504
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    Far too much to respond to in recent times. Have been doing my best not to get wound up beyond measure, so have stepped back a bit.

    Skimming through the above, could comment about a hundred things. But I’ll try some low-hanging fruit.

    The Nation makes a good point about the Middle Class, and the mistaken ways of defining it, but diminishes its own point a bit by using “household” as a metric. That’s a very slippery measure, cuz it can mean several incomes or just one. Far better way to define “Middle Class” is via a single income. Find the median for that, not an entire “household.”

    This has been used by the right for decades now to try to make things look less fucked up than they actually are. Cuz, well, prior to the 1970s, one bread-winner could bring home what it takes two or more now — relative to cost of living, etc. etc. And it slowly got worse from there. As in, one bread-winner, no credit card debt, to two bread-winners, plus credit cards, and then all of that plus second mortgages, and then side hustles, Uber, etc. etc.

    Time to update the metrics and tell the truth for once, and then compare all of that with the rest of the world which is even more fucked up.

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    Ok, someone explain this one to me. I cannot figure this out at all. Why would Trump do this. Makes zero sense to me. Seems like it would HAVE to hurt him politically. What am i missing?

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    Well, its very tempting for leftists like us, to think the best strategy for HIM would be to lean left. But is that really accurate? I am not convinced.

    I keep thinking about the senate: 99-1.

    If i were a corporate-dem, why in the hell would i trust the folks who got the “1” elected, instead of the folks that got the 99 elected.

    Sure the polls say, 60 or 70 percent of folks want M4A etc. But they dont VOTE that way do they. I mean even in a DEM primary, Biden beat Bernie. Straight up. Liberals/Dems had a choice — and they chose AGAINST the leftist.

    So why would Biden lean left? If i were his evil-political-adviser I’d tell Biden to do just what he’s doing. Be bland, and lean towards Right-Center. The DNC strategy.

    I hate it. But it is what it is.

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    I was pondering the old conundrum last night about why so many people vote for the GOP, counter to their own interests. And I was thinking that part of it is that those voters, like Trump supporters, are really low information voters, ya know. Nothing new there. But that doesn’t answer the question. They’re low information either way, so how does the GOP get their allegiance?

    And then I thought, well, the GOP appeals to their core…values/lifestyle/myths…whatever. A lot of these people just wanna go to work, have a beer with friends, watch UFC, go to church, shoot some birds, ride their motorbikes, raft the river, whatever. No time to watch BS on the news, or read Atlantic Monthly. It’s not their thing. Life is immediate and local. So the GOP just taps into their gut instincts, their biases, their prejudices, and does so without fearing that they, as governors, will ever be inspected for their actions. These people aren’t following the budgets, or the political movements that swirl in Yemen. The GOP goes straight for the Id, and sometimes the Ego.

    Democrats, OTOH, want to REASON with these people. Educate them on how their policies are better for them, and they are amazed when nobody bites that bait.

    So…I start wondering WHY the Liberals/Left don’t go for the Id appeals as well. I mean…why not?

    And I think that it’s because the Left and Right see other people differently. I am considering that maybe the Right actually has an advantage because they think of the masses as a commodity. People are widgets. They are just a different category of Materials necessary to conduct business on the one hand, and potential consumers of services and products on the other hand. They don’t care about the “human” aspects of their lives whatsoever. They are just there like clay, or steel, or tariffs, or tax breaks…just Things that need to be manipulated to their advantage. Appealing to their Id is just an efficient way to do that.

    Liberals and the Left give them a little more credit than that. They see them as people with human concerns. But they see them as uneducated and, frankly, sometimes stupid. They are raw humans, Uncultivated Humans. So they/we are driven to try to appeal to them through a variety of “Don’t you see that THIS is in your best interest, and THAT is not?” kind of things, and then get frustrated when they turn the channel to The Masked Singer. Ultimately, I think that Liberals tend to look DOWN on the masses because they are FAILING TO GRASP THINGS. And the Left tends to be condescending to everybody, including Liberals, and even other Leftists.

    Well…they HATE being condescended to. Everybody hates being condescended to. And here is where the Right has an advantage. They aren’t condescending to these people because they don’t place any human value on them in the first place. Nobody gets condescending to a horse because it’s a fucking horse. You harness it, and put it to use. So the Right can saddle up the masses partly because they don’t expect anything from them except their direct service. The left wants to…you know…SAVE them. Make their lives better. And when they don’t cooperate, well, it’s because they are Deplorable. They’re morons. They’re backwoods hicks and rubes and yokels.

    So the GOP can bang the identity drums, and the people will march because they hear the drumming, and they feel welcomed.

    The Democrats are hamstrung because they are trying to herd cats with shit like “Build Back Better,” whatever the fuck THAT is supposed to mean. And the Democrats don’t really have anything to offer because they aren’t committed to running on anything that will actually change lives. So it’s easy for the GOP to paint them as the party of giving away crap to OTHER people. And that’s totally believable because they certainly aren’t giving anything to ME. To US. To anybody in MY neighborhood. They’re trying to appeal to the masses without offering them a vision of anything other than Hope and Change and Harmony on the one hand, and a tall stack of Policy Papers on the other. Those just aren’t drumbeats that get them very far.

    Biden is running as a Rorschach Test. He is largely a vacuum with an invitation to everybody to believe he is whatever they want him to be.

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