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November 25, 2016 at 6:49 pm #59465nittany ramModerator
I’ve paid close attention to how the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement has effected the NFL. It’s more than clear to me, that an implied “Four Year” window – to establish a winning team through the NFL Draft – is a reality. I base this on teams who hit the “Rebuilding Mode” level; typically after they hire a new head coach…
The thinking that the CBA had some kind of NFL Draft relativity built in, didn’t work out the way team owners envisioned. It assumes a drafted player is replaced by another drafted player as he hits the rookie contract term of four years (5 years for 1st round picks, with some option year stuff mingled in)? In a perfect world, this could’ve been the case. In truth, there are a few teams who’ve been savant-like when it comes to the draft. Yet, it’s more common than not that teams get themselves on a kind of unending treadmill, as they hit on a few draft picks, but not enough to turn the corner in time before the four year window shatters their dreams…
The hiccup comes at two points: The number of positions needed to fill an NFL depth chart, and the Salary Cap. The position thing is kind of a crap shoot. Case in point, let’s look at the L.A. Rams. They couldn’t afford to keep both starting corner backs – Trumaine Johnson and Janoris Jenkins. Both were drafted by the Rams in the same year – 2012 – so their rookie deals expired at the same time. Ideally, the Rams would replace the one they let go – Jenkins – in the draft. As they addressed other position needs – quarterback Jared Goff – the remaining draft picks they had slid into lower rounds. It became a gamble, as they rolled the dice on players already on their roster to fill any voids left by those leaving in free agency. It worked, sort of… But it’s fair to say the corner back position Jenkins’ filled hasn’t improved with his absence. Some Rams fans will argue this point, but there’s no denying the fact interceptions, and turnovers in general, have declined for the Los Angeles defense.
The point here, is the never ending roll forward to create – and maintain – a roster in the NFL has become down right daunting. While the obvious answer to some is to strike back at position losses thru free agency, there’s no guarantee a new player signed will achieve or meet what’s been lost…
Why banter on about what’s – for the most part – generally known? The fact is, the Los Angeles Rams are in a “win now” place, and it hasn’t worked out. The newly relocated Rams are at the tipping point in their new Los Angeles home. The truth is – regardless of head coach Jeff Fisher’s status – this team is about to slide into a mid-level rebuilding mode. They know they’ll have to mortgage the proverbial farm to extend and sign All-Pro defensive tackle Aaron Donald in 2018, which means defensive end Robert Quinn is likely gone to create Salary Cap space. With a suspect offensive line, it’s hard to see the Rams not hitting free agency to fill gaps.
Devoid of Draft capital in 2017, – due to the Jared Goff selection – it’s just not reasonable to believe late round picks will improve their suspect offensive line. In the latest of high pick draft picks at left tackle, Greg Robinson hasn’t hit the mark and is quite literally on the bubble at his position. Los Angeles went high and hard drafting offensive linemen in 2015, with mixed results. Now the futures of Goff and running back Todd Gurley are literally hanging in the balance with what happens on this offensive line group going forward…
Added to the potential mire, is a wide receiver corp that’s middling at best. Rams fans have pinned their hopes on late round picks from 2016 – Pharoh Cooper, Mike Thomas – undrafted free agents – Bradley Marquez, Nelson Spruce – and underachieving draft picks Tavon Austin and Brian Quick. Kenny Britt has shined in a year where he’s stayed healthy.
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The Los Angeles sports market is a tough one. If the Rams begin a rebuilding mode, they’ll have to do so quietly. The very real possibility that the San Diego Chargers will head north to join the Rams in Los Angeles looms large. The Oakland Raiders and the NFL are seriously looking at Las Vegas, which is just a hop-skip- and jump away from L.A. up the I-15 interstate highway. What the L.A. market will bear when it comes to an NFL team is anyone’s guess, but I seriously doubt they’ll tolerate a loser for long.
I wonder if the Los Angeles Rams players know just how tenuous their roster places are right now? Add in the down right mysterious vanishing act of team GM Les Snead since the Rams arrived in L.A., and I have to wonder if the lack of roster moves lends an eerie portent to the coming off season. An unabashed fan of head coach Jeff Fisher, I truly like the guy. I mean, you can’t tell me you wouldn’t want a chance to sit down for a beer with Fisher and chat. Still, the reality is that Fisher has had since 2012 to put together a solid team, and it hasn’t happened. While I believe he’s built roster depth better than any Rams coach has since Dick Vermeil, I think the 2011 CBA caught him off guard a bit. Failed draft picks have kept the Rams teetering on the edge of sustainability, let alone forward progress…
November 26, 2016 at 8:34 am #59496bnwBlockedSo uplifting.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 26, 2016 at 8:51 am #59501InvaderRamModeratoryup. he did not get draft picks right. if he coulda hit on grob and austin. those 2 alone would have made a huge difference.
to be fair the austin pick was a hard one. hopkins maybe but no one saw him as an upper tier first round talent. many wanted patterson, but he’s been even worse.
grob, however, was a blown pick. and this is coming from someone who was really positive about the pick at the time. but looking back either lewan or matthews would have been a better pick.
November 26, 2016 at 8:55 am #59502AgamemnonParticipantNovember 26, 2016 at 8:59 am #59503wvParticipantWell the OLine/Gurley was the last straw for me. Year Five. This is Fisher’s OLine. And its healthy.
But, if Kronky keeps Fisher another year, so be it.
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vNovember 26, 2016 at 10:38 am #59518AgamemnonParticipantNovember 26, 2016 at 10:55 am #59519AgamemnonParticipantAnother thing about change. Let’s say 5 years from now things will have changed so much that what was important today isn’t important then. Sooner or later, even the trading all those draft choices for goff will be water under the bridge. That does not mean I have changed my mind about the trade.
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Things will still mean something, but as time moves on, the effects will lessen.November 26, 2016 at 11:09 am #59520AgamemnonParticipantNovember 26, 2016 at 11:46 am #59526wvParticipantSo, what separates some teams as better than others? The ability to make better decisions and commit less mistakes will give them an edge over the variations of chance.
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Perhaps, but maybe the Football-Gods laugh at coaching-decisions.
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vNovember 26, 2016 at 11:52 am #59527AgamemnonParticipant————-
Perhaps, but maybe the Football-Gods laugh at coaching-decisions.
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vThe Gods reward good decisions and punish bad decisions. At least I know the Billiards Gods do. If you don’t take the right shot, you are almost always punished.
November 26, 2016 at 12:35 pm #59531nittany ramModerator————-
Perhaps, but maybe the Football-Gods laugh at coaching-decisions.
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vThe Gods reward good decisions and punish bad decisions. At least I know the Billiards Gods do. If you don’t take the right shot, you are almost always punished.
You are our resident cap guru, Ag. Will the Rams really have to cut Quinn to lock up Donald long term?
November 26, 2016 at 12:43 pm #59533AgamemnonParticipantYou are our resident cap guru, Ag. Will the Rams really have to cut Quinn to lock up Donald long term?
The Rams are in good shape. They lost a bit this year in talent, but the future looks bright. They have enough money to sign Donald and Goff. They can keep Quinn or let him go, that is independent to whether they sign Donald. Depending on how they want to structure their future cap, they can keep 8 to 12 of their best players for the next few years. They just have to be correct on picking the right players to extend.
Extending Brockers and Austin is fine. They just need to perform up to their contracts and their contracts are really not that bad when you consider the expected raise in the salary cap for the coming years. imo
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November 26, 2016 at 12:55 pm #59537znModeratorThey know they’ll have to mortgage the proverbial farm to extend and sign All-Pro defensive tackle Aaron Donald in 2018, which means defensive end Robert Quinn is likely gone to create Salary Cap space.
You know, personally, this is why I don’t post much stuff from the fan blogs. It is invariably not as good as a well-informed message board discussion among diehard posters. I’m not faulting anyone for posting it…people can post anything. But once posted it’s a fair target.
And that piece is so full of flaws I don’t even know where to start.
What I quote there is a good example of that—it’s complete nonsense that they have to lose Quinn to keep Donald. That’s not even remotely plausible. That is, it’s not a matter of opinion and the writer chooses one way of seeing over other possibilities—it flat-out does not make sense. The Rams cap has been set up to handle things like signing Donald in the future (that’s one reason why they don’t keep guys at positions they are good at replacing, like the secondary–signing McLeod and Jenkins subtracts from future cap space, and why do that when you are crazy deep in the secondary. And as of right now, even with losing JJ and McL, Johnson missing time, the Rams pass defense is ranked 6th in the league.)
I don’t even know what that claim about losing Quinn would be based on.
And that’s not the only huge flaw in that piece.
At least when it comes to Quinn, though, I agree with Ag:
The Rams are in good shape. They lost a bit this year in talent, but the future looks bright. They have enough money to sign Donald and Goff. They can keep Quinn or let him go, that is independent to whether they sign Donald. Depending on how they want to structure their future cap, they can keep their 8 to 12 best players for the next few years. They just have to be correct on picking the right players to extend.
November 26, 2016 at 12:56 pm #59538wvParticipant————-
Perhaps, but maybe the Football-Gods laugh at coaching-decisions.
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vThe Gods reward good decisions and punish bad decisions. At least I know the Billiards Gods do. If you don’t take the right shot, you are almost always punished.
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Well the Billiard Gods dont cause ACL injuries, as far as i know 🙂
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vNovember 26, 2016 at 12:58 pm #59540nittany ramModeratorYou are our resident cap guru, Ag. Will the Rams really have to cut Quinn to lock up Donald long term?
The Rams are in good shape. They lost a bit this year in talent, but the future looks bright. They have enough money to sign Donald and Goff. They can keep Quinn or let him go, that is independent to whether they sign Donald. Depending on how they want to structure their future cap, they can keep 8 to 12 of their best players for the next few years. They just have to be correct on picking the right players to extend.
Extending Brockers and Austin is fine. They just need to perform up to their contracts and their contracts are really not that bad when you consider the expected raise in the salary cap for the coming years.
Well, I question Quinn’s ability to stay healthy but he’s such a singular talent that I’m not ready to give up on him yet.
I’m glad that the Rams are in good enough cap shape to keep him if they want to. Thanks.
November 26, 2016 at 1:08 pm #59541znModeratorI’m glad that the Rams are in good enough cap shape to keep him if they want to. Thanks.
Well it’s more than that. Not only is it possible to keep Quinn, it’s not even really an issue. As I say a couple of posts above, the fan blogger who speculated that keeping Donald was tied to Quinn is just plain wrong. Even saying that shows he doesn’t know enough to discuss cap issues credibly. That is, it’s simply NOT a real issue–and the guy doesn’t get the Rams cap well enough to see that.
To me, it’s like my wife saying “hey I read an online article about how carburetors can eat your foot while driving.” And I go, “carburetors cannot eat anything let alone your feet.” And she goes “good, that clears up one worry.” Truth is–it was never an actual worry. It’s just a writer who’s not on top of the issue. That’s all it really is.
November 26, 2016 at 1:21 pm #59544bnwBlockedAnd I go, “carburetors cannot eat anything
Don’t install your air filter and you will learn the fallacy of your statement.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 26, 2016 at 1:28 pm #59548InvaderRamModeratorSo, what separates some teams as better than others? The ability to make better decisions and commit less mistakes will give them an edge over the variations of chance. imo
well how does he compare to the other 31 coaches there?
i have no idea. is there even a website which evaluates that? ya know like a metric for nfl coaches.
pff should work on that.
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November 26, 2016 at 1:48 pm #59552AgamemnonParticipantSo, what separates some teams as better than others? The ability to make better decisions and commit less mistakes will give them an edge over the variations of chance. imo
well how does he compare to the other 31 coaches there?
i have no idea. is there even a website which evaluates that? ya know like a metric for nfl coaches.
pff should work on that.
I give him a C+. ?12-15? But that is just my opinion. I don’t use a formal metric. It is based on how I see him compared to the other NFL coaches.
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