the film room: gurley and austin

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  • October 15, 2015 at 8:14 pm #32416
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    October 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm #32418
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    Well that was quite good.

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    October 15, 2015 at 9:28 pm #32419
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    yeah. makes me excited that this running game could be something special. maybe even a little unpredictable. good description too of how the passing game might play off this gurley austin combo.

    October 16, 2015 at 2:54 pm #32437
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    I liked that video. It looks like the Rams have a nice coherent plan for the running game and Austin.

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    October 16, 2015 at 6:56 pm #32444
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    it’s worth watching. i don’t know if it’s true, but it sounds really good… haha!

    a very nice simplified description of the different components and philosophies that go into their running game and how austin and gurley make it go. bottom line is they are both fantastic athletes and really stress and stretch out the defense. also sounds like they are able to do it in a way that makes it hard for defenses to key in on what they are doing.

    just need to find a way to play off this and get other guys going. but a good foundation is a start.

    October 16, 2015 at 9:42 pm #32449
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    That’s a good vid but he gets a few things wrong. First, I don’t buy the idea that Cigs suddenly found ways to use Austin. It seems to me Austin upped his game and became more useable. Second, Cook did not cut off his route on that INT…he paused in a zone and Foles threw a bad pass under pressure.

    Not to say Cook is having a great season, but, fair is fair.

    But that’s just a couple of things. It’s good overall. I also like some of the more subtle things in that vid. First, he praises Kendricks as a blocker. IMO Kendricks is very good as a move TE/H-back hybrid type blocker and not as a straight-up in-line TE. Some of that gets highlighted. He also basically indicates that this OL can be both a zone blocking line and a power line, which (and he doesn’t say this) is why they have guys zone-blocking who don’t fit the mold of the smaller more athletic ZBS linemen. I also like the fact that this is a play-action offense and the analyst stresses that.

    IMO this offense is just out of sync right now, and that includes being young but it’s not just that. When it is more in sync and confident, then, it’s not just that we will see less of the OL getting flat beat, we will see fewer drops, the qb pressing less, and fewer stupid false starts in the redzone. Those, from my point of view, are always the kinds of mistakes you get from a unit that doesn’t have core confidence yet. But it also looks like a team that will get out of that bad state sooner rather than later..

    October 17, 2015 at 1:01 am #32457
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    i think what’s interesting is that they mix and match and disguise all the different plays making them look the same right up until the last second.

    i think what cignetti has done is introduced the zone blocking scheme. that’s an element that schotty didn’t incorporate and seems to serve as a nice counter punch to the power schemes they run as well.

    stretch them out wide and the counter them with a gurley power run. or hit them the other way with tavon. so in that sense he has found a different way to use austin. or at least that’s how i understand that. when you get gurley stretching the defense one way and then counter with austin going the other way, the defense is stressed in a way they weren’t before the wide zone offense was installed.

    so cignetti has added a wrinkle that schotty did not have. and it might have actually increased the effectiveness of players including austin. although having gurley there doesn’t hurt.

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    October 17, 2015 at 1:07 am #32459
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    InvaderRam wrote:

    i think what’s interesting is that they mix and match and disguise all the different plays making them look the same right up until the last second.

    I like everything else you say too, but focusing on this bit, this is why Kendricks is so important to this offense. I wish he would get over his pass catching slump, and maybe part of it was the injury, but still—this is an offensive design made for him. My mantra on LK is that he can line up anywhere in the formation (in-line, out wide, in the backfield) and pass block, or run block, or catch a pass from any one of those spots. Plus of course he can motion from one spot to another. Taken all together that means he adds another layer of deception to the offense. He adds to the power, he adds to the movement, he adds to protection, and he can fake any of that and go catch a pass too.

    This could be quite a formula.

    October 17, 2015 at 1:27 am #32460
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    well i am a fan of kendricks. i don’t think he’ll ever be a superstar, but he can be that hybrid player that fisher loves. do a little bit of everything and add to the deception that gurley and austin provide.

    and this is what i’ve been wanting. other players to play off of that potent gurley austin combo. he doesn’t have to light up the stat sheets. just do enough to keep defenses honest. i hope that this surgery is successful cuz the rams are gonna need him. harkey too.

    the biggest question mark i have is at receiver. can they get bailey more involved. he’s their most sure handed guy. get the play action working, but receivers need to catch the ball. the video seems to imply that’s already started happening, but receivers are dropping catches or foles will make a bad throw.

    it’ll be interesting to see if the offense can continue to progress the next 11 games. if i’m cignetti, i’m concentrating on these three things.

    1. offensive line has to tighten up their pass protection. get guys on the same page.

    2. foles working on the timing with his receivers. his passes are just a little bit off. the potential td throw to kendricks for example was just a little bit behind him. is he just inaccurate or is he just throwing to the wrong spot? i don’t know. but a lot of times those passes are just a half a second behind the receivers. maybe it’s just getting that chemistry down.

    3. find one receiver who can consistently bail the defense out with some first down catches. i think that guy should be bailey. i don’t trust britt. i don’t trust cook. i don’t know about quick. i’m hoping it’s bailey. get him some more snaps.

    October 17, 2015 at 6:04 am #32476
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    Laram — Anbody focus on Greg Robinson in that film?

    IF so, anybody that thought that TG got most of his yards running behind GRob should know better now.

    GRob was doing nothing notable in those runs by Gurley, and the best block I saw him make was pretty close to a cut block.

    I don’t recall if somebody had the defender high, GRob cut him low creating a seal.

    GRob would have to be my most disappointing player.

    I had hope for the proverbial, “Year 2 leap”, that I have yet to see thus far.

    Btw, watch Tim Barnes, he is relentless.

    He’ll hit his guy then quickly get to the second level and hit another guy.

    He’s showing good power knocking guys completely out of the whole with a punch.

    Happy for him.
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    October 17, 2015 at 9:21 am #32478
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    wv wrote:

    watch Tim Barnes, he is relentless.

    He’ll hit his guy then quickly get to the second level and hit another guy.

    I think Barnes is exceeding expectations. But then the next problem Barnes presents is that he is on a one-year.

    In terms of GR, that’s a highlight vid. The people who watched him on all 22 and like him were concentrating on several successive plays, and even then people note that he is not “there” yet in terms of consistency. FWIW here again is the GB reporter who remarked on GR.

    All quotes in blue:

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    from Rating the Packers vs. Rams

    Bob McGinn | On the Packers

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rating-the-packers-vs-rams-b99594632z1-332282942.html

    As the game wore on, left tackle Greg Robinson played like a man among boys. . . . With refinement, Robinson might have the dancing-bear feet and aggressive temperament to become the next dominant tackle.

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    And here is a GR enthusiast who watched the all-22:

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    Pass Pro is still a work in progress…but watch each and every pass play…and I bet you see some dominant plays, some good plays, some stalemates and a few plays where he just blows it…

    The Rams run behind him and he is mashing people.

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    My thing about things like this is read lots of sources, trust your eyes, and see what the range is. In general, the range is that he’s improving. In terms of the specific claim that he is run blocking well or at least was in the GB game, that’s harder to pin down without viewing the 22, but I would say that to me it sounds likely.

    Do the Rams run behind him?

    That’s hard to tell with a zone blocking scheme since you don’t design those to open a specific hole. It’s a flow that opens up lanes, and the RB has to read the options.

    BUt according to ESPN splits, (and I don’t know the answer to this until I look which I am doing right now for the first time), this is how his runs tend to go:

    On 55 carries, TG has run

    right sideline 8 … 1.5 a carry
    right side 7 … 11.6 a carry
    middle 18 … 4.5 carry
    left side 11 … 7.9 a carry
    left sideline 11… 4.8 a carry

    That’s all fwiw

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