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  • #87139
    waterfield
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    This state is heavily democratic. Yet it seems clear that by far the Republicans get more voting turnout from their constituency than the Democrats do. I wonder is this is true nationwide and if so why? I live in south Orange County where it used to be overwhelmingly republican. But with the increase in the Hispanic population over the last few years we are close to turning the county blue. However, the Hispanic turnout was extremely low compared to the Republicans-even with a popular Hispanic x mayor of L.A. and candidate for Governor- Villaraigosa. It reminds me of how low the African American turnout in the 2016 general election was compared to when Obama was elected.

    So are republican voters just more concerned about voting than democrats ? And, if so, what does that portend for the future. I was listening to a podcast on Axelrod the other day. I can’t recall the guest but he was asked about this issue. His reply was “I’m not going to make the democratic strategists happy here -but we have to forget about the old get out the minority vote and focus on the same people Trump did”. I think his point was clearly that group actually votes. (i.e. many of the Trump voters voted for Obama in 2008)

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    #87141
    Avatar photojoemad
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    Ca voter demographics on wiki:

    URL = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_locations_by_voter_registration

    this is old data (2013), but the cities in O.C. that are “blue” the margins are slim, and in the most part are working class cities within O.C., thus these working class voter populations don’t have the time to vote. Similar results apply in other counties in CA.

    I think making election days similar to “jury duty”. …. show proof to your employer that you voted to get paid for the “civil service”.

    #87144
    waterfield
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    Joe: I think Republicans work too but somehow they find a way to vote. Granted this year’s (California) wacky Direct Primary election had tons of candidates. The race to see who would compete for the Governor had like a million people running. The propositions, candidate statements, arguments, blah blah took me a lot or time to just get through all of it. That could dissuade potential voters. But that didn’t seem to bother the Republicans, most of whom I Know don’t have any more time to do it than anyone else.

    #87148
    Avatar photoZooey
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    It was 30-45 minutes of work to prepare to vote this time.

    Anybody can vote by mail. I’m a permanent absentee voter (that way I avoid the long lines of illegal aliens George Soros pays to vote multiple times).

    It isn’t time.

    It’s that the issues are complex, and the information provided is incomplete (many candidates make generic statements that don’t mean anything, and many don’t provide any statement at all). This is something I would address if I was in power. I would require more information. As it is, how are we supposed to know whom to vote for in down ticket races? How is anyone supposed to know how to vote for a judge or sheriff when they are on the ballot?

    The issues are complex, and the reading level is too high for most Americans, so they just don’t do it (or vote based on advertising).

    #87151
    waterfield
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    It was 30-45 minutes of work to prepare to vote this time.

    Anybody can vote by mail. I’m a permanent absentee voter (that way I avoid the long lines of illegal aliens George Soros pays to vote multiple times).

    It isn’t time.

    It’s that the issues are complex, and the information provided is incomplete (many candidates make generic statements that don’t mean anything, and many don’t provide any statement at all). This is something I would address if I was in power. I would require more information. As it is, how are we supposed to know whom to vote for in down ticket races? How is anyone supposed to know how to vote for a judge or sheriff when they are on the ballot?

    The issues are complex, and the reading level is too high for most Americans, so they just don’t do it (or vote based on advertising).

    I suppose my question is this: if “the issues are complex, and the reading level is too high for most Americans” why is it that on a percentage basis the Republicans have more of their constituency voting than the Democrats? And by a lot.

    #87162
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I suppose my question is this: if “the issues are complex, and the reading level is too high for most Americans” why is it that on a percentage basis the Republicans have more of their constituency voting than the Democrats? And by a lot.

    Good question.

    My first armchair guess would be that older, whiter, more affluent voters are more likely to feel like they have a stake in the outcome whereas younger, minority, and poor people are more likely to feel like it doesn’t make much difference.

    But I don’t know. Democrats should really figure this out, though. The lack of turnout for them to midterm elections and special elections is the reason that Republicans control the country disproportionately.

    #87164
    waterfield
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    I suppose my question is this: if “the issues are complex, and the reading level is too high for most Americans” why is it that on a percentage basis the Republicans have more of their constituency voting than the Democrats? And by a lot.

    Good question.

    My first armchair guess would be that older, whiter, more affluent voters are more likely to feel like they have a stake in the outcome whereas younger, minority, and poor people are more likely to feel like it doesn’t make much difference.

    But I don’t know. Democrats should really figure this out, though. The lack of turnout for them to midterm elections and special elections is the reason that Republicans control the country disproportionately.

    Yeah-I’m not sure either. But the Democratic leadership needs to focus on this turn out issue or were assured of more what we have now. I recently read Chris Matthews book on Bobby Kennedy. Granted this before the net and social media, etc. but he had a way of connecting to the individual so that the person thought he really cared about them. His older brother had some of that but not nearly as much as Bobby. When I’m around my Republican friends my wife says I talk down to them like I’m an elitist and it puts people off-so she says. She’s likely right.

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    #87180
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I suppose my question is this: if “the issues are complex, and the reading level is too high for most Americans” why is it that on a percentage basis the Republicans have more of their constituency voting than the Democrats? And by a lot.

    Good question.

    My first armchair guess would be that older, whiter, more affluent voters are more likely to feel like they have a stake in the outcome whereas younger, minority, and poor people are more likely to feel like it doesn’t make much difference.

    But I don’t know. Democrats should really figure this out, though. The lack of turnout for them to midterm elections and special elections is the reason that Republicans control the country disproportionately.

    Yeah-I’m not sure either. But the Democratic leadership needs to focus on this turn out issue or were assured of more what we have now. I recently read Chris Matthews book on Bobby Kennedy. Granted this before the net and social media, etc. but he had a way of connecting to the individual so that the person thought he really cared about them. His older brother had some of that but not nearly as much as Bobby. When I’m around my Republican friends my wife says I talk down to them like I’m an elitist and it puts people off-so she says. She’s likely right.

    To me, the whole “elitist” thing is nonsense, and a manufactured narrative designed to help Republicans. Not that it doesn’t exist. But saying it’s somehow exclusively the domain of Dems, liberals, leftists, the coasts, etc. is absurd.

    The narrative basically narrows the concept down to one’s education or professional status only — just that — forgetting that economic elitism is far more devastating. And it’s not close. But it works for Republicans. It works to be an elitist, as long as you wear a cowboy hat and drive a pickup truck. The Dems don’t know how to make their own form work.

    Obviously, exceptions occur all over the place, but, generally speaking, the Dems have placed their bets on the “elite” from professional ranks, who count on academic advancement, primarily, to gain the upper echelons of those ranks. Thomas Frank talks about the dark underside of this bet in his recent Listen, Liberal.

    Republicans, OTOH, see business owners as their key constituency, and their rise up economic ladders via the ownership of businesses. Anyone who has ever spent any time working for others, dealing with CEOs, working, say, in country clubs, with an array of business owners and their families, knows that “elitism” is alive and well in that community too.

    The Media want a horse race. They don’t want one party to dominate. So they concocted this nonsense to even the playing field. And, speaking of Chris Matthews, he’s in on the game too. He’s long ranted about Democratic Party elitism, and did so the other day on Morning Joe, saying he was actually rooting against the Dems because of it.

    Personally, I find the economic form not only insulting but dangerous. The academic kind is much easier, IMO, to deal with.

    #87181
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    For me, the pursuit of knowledge, the creation of art, will always tower above the extraction and accumulation of wealth. It’s not even in the same universe, morally, ethically, spiritually, etc. etc.

    I find the former a great addition to the world and the latter a subtraction from it (at best).

    So if I have to deal with “elitism” from either “camp,” I have that in the back of my mind.

    Of course, it would be a thousand times better not to have elitism, period. A truly democratic spirit should permeate the arts and academia as well. Whitman comes to mind, as does Dewey. They weren’t “elitists” inside or outside the Humanities. And it’s just not a working formula for those of us left of center to even have the appearance of intellectual elitism. But it’s not really “dangerous” for a nation. Economic elitism, however, always is. Under the capitalist system, it tends to accelerate the creation of poverty, homelessness, inequality and wars well beyond the normal odious generation of those things.

    “Talking down” to people about various intellectual matters? I may be missing something, but I can’t see how that leads to wars, environmental devastation, the surveillance state, the carceral state, mass inequality, etc. etc.

    #87191
    waterfield
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    “Talking down” to people about various intellectual matters? I may be missing something, but I can’t see how that leads to wars, environmental devastation, the surveillance state, the carceral state, mass inequality, etc. etc.

    Simple. When you insult someone’s intelligence you eventually cause them to lose faith in your positions. That in turns causes them, knowingly or unknowingly, to support those who care far less about “wars, environmental devastation,…, and the mass inequality, than you or I do.

    #87192
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    “Talking down” to people about various intellectual matters? I may be missing something, but I can’t see how that leads to wars, environmental devastation, the surveillance state, the carceral state, mass inequality, etc. etc.

    Simple. When you insult someone’s intelligence you eventually cause them to lose faith in your positions. That in turns causes them, knowingly or unknowingly, to support those who care far less about “wars, environmental devastation,…, and the mass inequality, than you or I do.

    Well, again, I’m against “talking down” to other people, and against insulting their intelligence. But I don’t see that as something practiced only by “coastal elites” or liberals, or leftists, or Dems. And I think if people are honest, and come out of their tribal bubbles at least long enough to be honest, they’d admit they’ve experienced that from many different sources, and all over the country.

    Even in the South. Even in heavily Republican areas.

    I mentioned country clubs above. My experience working in one, with Republican members dominant, forced daily negotiations with “elitists” and all too frequent “talking down to” those of us on staff. The business owner/rich people form of that. Not the academic or professional classes, with rare exceptions.

    Anyway . . . my very general observation is that Dems are just really, really bad at hiding their elitism, whereas Republicans are very good at it. Cowboy hats and pickup trucks — literally and metaphorically. They can pull that off. The Dems pretty much either never try or just can’t make it work.

    (In this case, talking about the Dems, rather than “the left.” The two aren’t generally the same, at least not since the 1960s.)

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