the election

Ralph on the Dems.

wv wrote:

I dont have much respect for Bernie anymore (‘my friend Joe’ etc) but he did at least say some useful things to his buddies in the Ecocide-Party.  (and i hate TYT, btw, fwiw)

Yeah…I saw Bernie’s statement both on twitter and facebook yesterday, and I didn’t read it. I did watch the video you brought here, and I guess I’m glad he’s found his voice again, now that the bargain he made is at an end, but it feels like too little, too late. His capitulation to the party went exactly the way we all expected it would. He gave up his voice in exchange for a committee seat that got a few things passed that will be a little bit of help to a few people. That was the deal. It wasn’t enough, and now we have Trump again.

Jordan
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🧵MAJOR takeaway ignored by Dems in losing to Trump twice in 8 years:

Combined Millennial/Gen Z turnout—age 18-44—declined by 7% from 2016 (44% of voters) to 2024 (37% of voters). This was age group @BernieSanders won & galvanized—but Dems & media took him out by the knees.

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@BernieSanders 2016 (Bernie wave)

18-44
44% of voters

18-29
19% of voters
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@BernieSanders 2020

18-44
40% of voters
(4 point turnout drop vs 2016)

18-29
17% of voters
(2 point turnout drop by 2016)

***Lots of young voters felt Dems came together to stop Bernie from winning Dem primary
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@BernieSanders 2024

18-44
37% of voters
(3 point turnout drop vs 2020)
(7 point turnout drop vs 2016)

18-29
14% of voters
(3 point turnout drop vs 2020)
(5 point turnout drop by 2016)

***Millions of young voters disgusted by Gaza genocide, buried by student loans, deflated in post-Bernie era
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@BernieSanders There’s never 1 singular reason a presidential candidate wins or loses an election—but Dems shrinking in youth turnout by 7 points in eight years is significant. The reality is the corrupt elites running the party truly thought if they just put forward Taylor Swift and Beyonce…
@BernieSanders Mixed with “cute” “cool” TikTok videos, that would sway the youth. But young people are not stupid and didn’t support @BernieSanders because he was cool or had celebrity support: they supported him because he was the only one offering them a bold economic reprieve from this…
@BernieSanders New Gilded Age young people are living in. Millennials grew into adulthood while simultaneously being CRUSHED by post 9/11 economic downturn, 2008 financial crash, growing shit-job/job-less/gig-job economy, and as student loan debt slaves…
@BernieSanders Gen Z has mostly had to grow into adulthood in the same growing shit-job/job-less/gig-job economy with the sour cherry on top of the COVID economic collapse…
@BernieSanders In 2020, Millennials/Gen Z in large part held their nose & voted for Biden because they wanted to stop Trump (and I believe bc of Bernie’s strong endorsement of Biden). BUT they were also promised:
✅$15 min wage
✅Public Option
✅Aggressive climate policy
✅$2K checks

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@BernieSanders But they got:
🛑$15 min wage (the parliamentarian!)
🛑Public Option (Biden never uttered it again after election)
🛑Aggressive climate policy (Biden doubled public land drilling)
🛑$1,400 check
🛑Small loan cancellation blocked by Supreme Courty
@BernieSanders Now, you can argue “well it’s more than they would have gotten from Trump!”…

But if you are young, haven’t had the economic opportunities that Boomers/Gen X had, and have a hopeless economic future, “the other guy is worse” eventually…

Falls on deaf ears.
@BernieSanders When you add in something young people across the country have repeatedly told me since 2016—”why the hell are we spending all this money across the world while ignoring here”—all of this is a recipe for disaster for Democrats…
@BernieSanders This is not meant to relitigate the whole “Bernie was screwed in 2016 & 2020” argument (but he was). This is to show clearly by the data…turnout among age 50 and under inched toward half the electorate in 2016 when Bernie galvanized the youth—and has dramatically shrunk…
@BernieSanders over eight years since then as the Dem Party blamed Russia for their defeat, moved further right, offered SHORT-TERM economic relief during a deadly pandemic that they allowed to quickly expire, and abandoned the few economic promises they made…
@BernieSanders The takeaway: offering neoliberal crumbs like tax credits, grants, help w/ home down payments (when Wall Street is still allowed to buy up all the housing and double the price)…is not enough for a younger generation with little economic hope, no savings, and buried in debt.
@BernieSanders Maybe instead of listening to their donors and crushing the most popular politician— beloved and energized young people—they should start embracing his politics and putting forth his proposals to win back working class voters of all colors and ages…
@BernieSanders Better chance I develop six-pack abs by Thanksgiving.

wv wrote:

Bernie’s got a vid where he solemnly, calmly states he ‘disagrees’ with Kamala’s Israel policy, etc. I watched it and thought, what if a Nazi politician had done a vid where he ‘disagreed’ with killing all the commies and jews. ‘Disagreed’.     Jeezus.

I see a lot of voices (tweeter) on the left trying to make out that Harris lost bc of Gaza, and…you know…that’s not it.

One thing I’ve noticed in my life is that few people get upset at the suffering and deaths of people they do not know personally. Is that a Leftist thing? I’ll have to ponder that.

Zooey wrote:

I see a lot of voices (tweeter) on the left trying to make out that Harris lost bc of Gaza, and…you know…that’s not it. One thing I’ve noticed in my life is that few people get upset at the suffering and deaths of people they do not know personally. Is that a Leftist thing? I’ll have to ponder that.

Yeah, Leftists took the genocide seriously, but the rest of the country couldn’t care less or were misinformed, or loved jesus-and-israel etc.

I dont think the US-Israel genocide had much of an impact, except maybe in Michigan.

Which sez a lot about the complete moral-decay and capitalist-pathology of US primates.

At any rate, I’m pretty disconnected from Dem-Rep politics, though, these days.   So, I dont have a good sense of the exact algebra of why the soul-less Duplicat lost and the Buffoon Replicant won.

But I am curious.   (In a quirky, doomer, apocalyptic, wry way. )   I like to keep up on mainstream capitalist-pathology and ecocide-culture.  🙂     So, i will read around, the next few weeks, as i did in 2016.    Probly the same exact forces are at play.  Same factions.

My gut tells me, that Kamala is John Kerry.  She’s Bob Dole.  She’s just got a dull personality that did not excite enough people.   Shallow amerikunz.  Ya know.

Leftists often like to say Dems lose because the party moved too far right, and abandoned the working class. (see vid with RD Kelly below) I mean, leftists always say that.   Could be truth to that.  I dunno.  Thats why LEFTISTS didnt like her.  But Clinton won twice by moving right.  Obama won twice by moving right.   I mean, the Dem ecocide-coalition sometimes works.  Sometimes it doesnt.   I dunno.

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At any rate, I’m pretty disconnected from Dem-Rep politics, though, these days.   So, I dont have a good sense of the exact algebra of why the soul-less Duplicat lost and the Buffoon Replicant won.

But I am curious.   (In a quirky, doomer, apocalyptic, wry way. )   I like to keep up on mainstream capitalist-pathology and ecocide-culture.  🙂     So, i will read around, the next few weeks, as i did in 2016.    Probly the same exact forces are at play.  Same factions.

My gut tells me, that Kamala is John Kerry.  She’s Bob Dole.  She’s just got a dull personality that did not excite enough people.   Shallow amerikunz.  Ya know.

Same. I’m curious, but I can already feel my curiosity starting to fade, though my activity in this thread would testify otherwise. But it’s kind of like replaying a car accident in your head, over and over, just to try to get a handle on it. The damage is done, and the fallout will follow. Trump’s victory is bad news in immediate, substantial ways to vulnerable, marginalized groups. But the Grand Arc of biosphere destruction, of imperial devastation, of a sharpening divide of wealth and power…all that marches on either way, so I find myself more interested in trying to protect my future and my kids, and enjoying myself as much as possible than in reading the news headlines.

I didn’t watch any coverage on Tuesday. My wife did. I received some Push headlines that suggested the worst was happening, but it wasn’t until I got up yesterday morning that I actually knew for sure. And I was sick for about an hour, and then I started moving into the autopsy, and trying to figure out how I was going to maintain my mental health over the next four years, and the only answer to that is to restrict the amount of news I digest. That feels like a copout of sorts, but it also seems starkly obvious that I can’t do a god damn thing about any of this.

Leftists often like to say Dems lose because the party moved too far right, and abandoned the working class. (see vid with RD Kelly below) I mean, leftists always say that.   Could be truth to that.  I dunno.  Thats why LEFTISTS didnt like her.  But Clinton won twice by moving right.  Obama won twice by moving right.   I mean, the Dem ecocide-coalition sometimes works.  Sometimes it doesnt.

And I think there is some truth to the claim that Ds have moved too far to the right. If the Democrats actually strengthened unions and raised the minimum wage, and provided healthcare and family leave and vacation time and workers’ comp and all that, they probably wouldn’t be facing the angry maga people. But I don’t think it’s an Intellectual, principled choice on the part of voters. Seems to me that the truism that it always comes down to the economy is accurate. The price of eggs, milk, and rent have gone up a lot, and people are feeling squeezed. That’s it. They aren’t thinking about Fed policy and interest rates and any of that. Since neither party is doing a damn thing to reverse those trends – and, in fact, seem united in believing that the working class should experience a little MORE insecurity – they turn to other factors. And for a lot of those people, the next thing on the list is hating the scapegoat for their economic insecurity, and here we are. That gets turned into resentment against lgbtq and immigrants and racial minorities and religious minorities and a bunch of stuff that wouldn’t really feel threatening IF they had enough money to prosper and retire etc. But when you are struggling financially, everything becomes a threat.

Anyway. We’re screwed. Enjoy your evening.

InvaderRam wrote:

wv wrote:

My gut tells me, that Kamala is John Kerry. She’s Bob Dole. She’s just got a dull personality that did not excite enough people. Shallow amerikunz. Ya know.

it really is that simple.

I’m sure being a woman of color didn’t help, but yeah…

wv wrote:

nittany ram wrote:

I’m sure being a woman of color didn’t help, but yeah…

Right. Which speaks to the fact there are some factions in the Blue or Red pies that are just givens. There is a white supremacist faction that will always go Republican. And Patriarchal ‘family values’ fundamentalist christian faction that will always go Republican. Also a white-wealthy-country-club crowd that will always go Rep. So, yeah, the woman of color thing hurt the pr0-genocide, pro-ecocide, soul-less, mind-numbingly-dull Dem. w v

What they need is an exciting black woman.

From the Ben Norton vid up there.   In the 2024 election for the first time, self-declared ‘Independent’ voters outnumbered Democrat voters.

Turnout:

34 percent were Independent.

34 percent Republican.

32 percent Democrat.

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Okay. Well, I’m not a a loss for reasons for wishing she had won, and I’m a bit jaded etc., but all that is heartening. Nevertheless, we iz fecked.

ZOOEY–I don’t know how in the fuck I did that, but I ended up editing you instead of quoting you. WTF. 

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Latino voters

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-economy-latino-vote-2024-election-rcna178951

“…From the beginning of the election to its final days, Latino voters in interviews and polls consistently named economy, inflation or higher costs as their No. 1 issue and gave Trump the advantage on them. Pennsylvania voter Regino Cruz, 25, said Tuesday that he voted for Trump, believing the former president could improve the economy…

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Carlos Odio, co-founder of Equis Research, a Democrat-leaning polling and research company, said Latino voters who backed Trump liked his prioritization of the economy.

“That was the message they got about Trump coming out of the pandemic, that this guy is going to prioritize the economy better than everyone else,” Odio said. “They even told us in focus groups they didn’t believe Trump was going to do any of the other stuff, whether it was banning abortion, repealing Obamacare or deporting Dreamers. They viewed that as political propaganda and ultimately viewed him as a businessman who was going to put the money first,” Odio said.

Odio warned against pinning the election outcome on the Democratic drop in Latino support. Trump had “eye-popping gains” among Latinos in “places like New York and New Jersey and Texas and Florida,” he said. But Trump’s victory came down to a broader erosion of support from voters.

“There’s a temptation to look at campaign tactics, but when you have a broad erosion, you have to zoom out and look at the crises of migration and inflation,” Odio said. “The twin crises of economy and migration have doomed incumbents across the world.”

A rightward shift on immigration — and a gender divide

Latino voters, like other voter groups, shifted right on immigration, backing tougher enforcement against large groups of people arriving at the border that have strained resources in communities that have attempted to shelter them. In the September NBC News poll, 35% of Latinos polled said that immigration hurts more than it helps, the highest share of Latino voters to say so in about 20 years of surveys.
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Hispanic men were among the voter groups propelling Trump to victory and his record Latino vote share.

Nationally, NBC News exit polls  estimate that 54% of Latino men voted for Trump, while 44% supported Harris.
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…But among Latinas, 61% voted for Harris, and a much lower share (37%) supported Trump. …”

Melt-downs.   Cenk Uygur at the 1:14 mark.

Saw this on a Sabby Sabs vid.   Had a hard time finding it in a stand alone vid.