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May 26, 2018 at 11:38 pm #86635znModerator
DeMaurice Smith: NFL’s anthem rule change about exerting control over players
NFL Players Association Executive Director DeMaurice Smith believes the NFL’s change in policy on the national anthem is designed to exert control on players, per Mike Chari of Bleacherreport.
During an appearance Friday on ESPN’s Get Up! show, Smith expressed his concerns regarding the new anthem rules:
With regard to the rationale behind the policy, Smith told ESPN’s Mike Greenberg (h/t Pro Football Talk’s Michael David Smith), “It smacks as more of a desire to exert control rather than a desire to stand up and support the rights and freedoms that our country was founded on.”
The NFL approved a new policy Wednesday that will fine teams if their players protest on the sidelines during the national anthem before games.
As part of the rule, players will be permitted to stay in the locker room during the anthem if they choose.
On Friday, Smith suggested that owners weren’t fully unified on the policy, saying, “It doesn’t appear to have the full support of all of the CEOs who own teams. It punishes not only players who wish to protest but also could punish players who want to come out and stand and salute the flag.”
Per ESPN.com’s Kevin Seifert, San Francisco 49ers owner Jed York abstained from taking part in the unofficial vote. Jerry McDonald of the Bay Area News Group reported Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis also abstained.
May 26, 2018 at 11:55 pm #86636znModeratorThe NFL’s new national-anthem policy was not as unanimous as the league wants people to believe
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-anthem-policy-vote-unaimous-2018-5
In announcing the NFL’s controversial new policy requiring players on the field to stand during the national anthem or face a fine, the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, said in a press conference on Thursday that it was “unanimously adopted” by team owners.
But ESPN reported Thursday that the league never took a formal vote on the new policy, adding that “not taking an official tally is atypical for a major resolution.”
An NFL spokesman, Brian McCarthy, confirmed to ESPN that there was no formal vote, saying there were zero “nays” in a show of hands to gauge support.
“That was considered a vote,” McCarthy said.
But news reports and statements from a few team owners show that not everybody supported the new policy.
ESPN reported that Mark Davis, the owner of the Oakland Raiders, and Jed York, the owner of the San Francisco 49ers, abstained from the vote.
York told ESPN earlier this week of the vote: “Teams that voted on it voted affirmatively.”
Meanwhile, Chris Johnson, the chairman of the New York Jets, went so far as to say he would pay fines imposed on his players under the national-anthem policy.
It’s also worth noting, per The Charlotte Observer, that David Tepper, the new Carolina Panthers owner, can’t vote on the policy until the sale of the team officially closes in July.
The NFL’s new policy, adopted in response to several NFL players and others who have knelt during the anthem to protest racial inequality and police brutality, has already come under fire by critics — and now it has the appearance that the league was trying to mislead people about its support among team owners.
May 27, 2018 at 12:06 am #86637znModeratorPoll: NFL fans overwhelmingly support league’s national anthem policy
By a significant margin, NFL fans are in favor of the league’s new policy regarding the national anthem, according to a Yahoo Sports/YouGov poll.
When asked if they support or oppose the new policy, which states teams will be fined if players “do not stand and show respect for the flag and the [national] anthem,” 53 percent of self-described NFL viewers said they support the policy, with 32 percent opposing and 15 percent saying neither or no opinion.
What does this tell us?
That NFL owners enacted the policy to appease their audience. From a business standpoint, this of course makes perfect sense and belies the idea that it was done to placate President Donald Trump.
While Trump may approve of the policy, opinion on the anthem issue hasn’t varied too much since 2016, when Colin Kaepernick first knelt and Barack Obama was still president.
According to the Yahoo Sports/YouGov poll, NFL fans are more supportive of the new policy than the general public, which came in 48 percent for vs. 32 percent against.
Racial breakdown
Not surprisingly, white Americans support the policy, while black Americans do not. Here’s a breakdown of support/opposition as it relates to ethnicity:
White: 52% support; 32% oppose
Black: 29% support; 48% oppose
Hispanic: 49% support; 19% oppose(NOTE: This is based on all respondents)
What are the details of the poll?
Number of adults surveyed: 1,184
Number of NFL viewers surveyed: 517
Questions asked:1. As you may be aware, the NFL has announced that it will fine teams if their players “do not stand and show respect for the flag and the [national] anthem.” Players can choose to stay in the locker room during the anthem, without being fined.
To what extent do you support or oppose this policy
2. Do you think that the NFL should or should not have a rule regarding players’ conduct during the playing of the national anthem?
May 27, 2018 at 10:08 am #86640InvaderRamModeratorModerator
Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr called the NFL’s new national anthem policy “idiotic” while talking with reporters ahead of Game 5 of the Western Conference Finals.Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
I like Kerr, but isn’t the NBA rule on the anthem much stricter? So who is the NBA trying to appeal to?yup.
May 27, 2018 at 10:21 am #86641InvaderRamModeratorhttps://deadspin.com/the-nba-shouldnt-get-credit-just-for-not-being-the-nfl-1826313089
wonder what would happen if nba players started kneeling.
May 27, 2018 at 11:27 am #86645Billy_TParticipantSomething almost no one is talking about in the media, regarding this case:
NFL players kneeling was not a widespread concern until Trump made it so. And it was fading as a concern until he jumped back into the fray recently. Any loss of revenue via boycotts can be traced back to Trump’s highly opportunistic rhetoric, not to the players’ actions. So when the idiot (former?) CEO of Papa Johns made a big stink about the players supposedly costing him money, he should have focused on his buddy Trump, not them.
It’s also the case that no American, regardless of “sides,” should support any president’s call for American citizens to be fired and deported for expressing dissent, especially when it’s non-violent. Even the suggestion that this should happen should be roundly condemned by every American.
May 27, 2018 at 5:44 pm #86667wvParticipantAny words from Kroenke on this yet. He obviously voted for it.
I am at a point where I may be done with watching the games at all. I forget where I read it, but someone wrote that it used you be the American ideal to stand up to authoritarianism, and now we seem to allow for it and, in many cases, embrace it. All I can say is if this was my local restaurant behaving like this, I would stop going to my local restaurant. How is providing support to the NFL any different.
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Well, I hear ya, but there’s the Corporation-aspect of football and then there’s the football-aspect of football. Ya know.
The Corporate part of it has always been loathsome. I mean just look at the concussion issue and how it was handled by the money-people…
But the football aspect of it, is still fun to me. I can separate em.
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vMay 28, 2018 at 2:09 pm #86699znModeratorWhite Baseball Players Kneel in the 50’s to protest Black Lynchings
Archival photos reveal several white baseball players kneeling during the national anthem in protest of the lynching of innocent negroes and Jim Crow laws. The practice was quickly ended when the players realized that most of their fans were either KKK members or sympathizers.
May 28, 2018 at 11:24 pm #86715wvParticipantOne man’s view:
May 29, 2018 at 6:58 am #86720nittany ramModeratorPoll: NFL fans overwhelmingly support league’s national anthem policy
I wouldn’t call it “overwhelming”.
53% of NFL fans support it. That means 47% don’t. To me that’s a small majority. I actually expected it to be a much bigger percentage.
May 29, 2018 at 9:01 am #86724Ramsey GlissadevilParticipantAlthough its not the best solution, I’m glad there is a ban on kneeling. I know it wasn’t all about disrespecting the flag. I didn’t want politics mixed with my Rams, so I boycotted last season. If the players start kneeling again? I’ll boycott the entire 2018 season.
May 29, 2018 at 10:13 am #86737nittany ramModeratorTo keep all this in perspective…
May 29, 2018 at 10:42 am #86742ZooeyModeratorWhy aren’t people upset by the fact that policemen in this country are not held accountable when they unnecessarily kill people?
Explain to me why respectfully kneeling in memory of victims during the national anthem is more troubling than the fact that there is a steady stream of examples of the police killing unarmed, compliant black people.
A policeman can kill a black man, and there is no inquiry, no investigation, no assessment of that action. Instead, they just blame the victim for having drawn the attention of the police in the first place.
Our nation places a high value on “liberty and justice for all.” But if it, in fact, routinely violates that promise, and fails to even admit it, let alone look at ways to adjust police training and/or accountability, then how can it expect people to respect the flag anyway? Is it not complete hypocrisy to expect us to salute a set of values that we only give lip service to, but refuse to actually implement?
You want players to stop kneeling?
All you gotta do is demonstrate that there is an actual effort to live by the values that the flag represents.
If the police in this country were to extend police training by a couple of extra weeks to include education on racial stereotyping, and were to implement a internal review board for evaluating the actions of police officers, this whole thing would go away. Players would stand. Gladly. All they want is equality and “justice for all.”
Why is that unpatriotic?
May 29, 2018 at 3:47 pm #86761wvParticipant… I didn’t want politics mixed with my Rams….
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The “national anthem” IS political. Everytime its played, and people stand up they are making a political statement.
So if you dont want “politics” mixed with football you should boycott any game where people stand for the “national anthem”.
Everytime they have soldiers at half-time its a “political” statement as well. Etc, and so forth.
What you are really saying is you dont like politics you disagree with being introduced into football 🙂
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vMay 29, 2018 at 5:02 pm #86765znModeratorHarry Edwards: NFL’s failure to learn from history on protests will prove costly
Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY Sports
It would be a shock if Harry Edwards were not appalled by the revised national anthem policy that NFL owners pushed through this week with hopes of squashing player protests.
Of course, Edwards, with undoubtedly the most powerful voice for more than a half-century linking sports and society, is livid.
“This is the dumbest move possible,” Edwards told USA TODAY Sports of the policy, which mandates players who choose to be on the sideline stand during the anthem. “They put the protest movement on blast. They just created a bigger stage than ever.”
Edwards should know. Fifty years ago, he was in the midst of organizing what was then considered a radical movement, the Olympic Project for Human Rights. That effort fell short of the initial goal of a boycott of the 1968 Olympics by African-American athletes, but it raised consciousness about societal injustices – much like Colin Kaepernick in 2016 when he kneeled during the playing of The Star-Spangled Banner – and led to the iconic image from Mexico City when sprinters John Carlos and Tommie Smith raised black-gloved fists while on the podium during the anthem.
“It’s almost like ’68 has come back through the mirror, including the same issues, including police killings of African-Americans,” Edwards compared.
As Kaepernick contemplated and carried out his protests nearly two years ago – which led to him remaining unsigned since the end of the 2016 season and his subsequent pursuit of a pending collusion grievance against the NFL – Edwards consulted the quarterback. He has long been engaged with 49ers ownership that is clearly among the most progressive in the NFL (CEO Jed York declared that the team intended to pause concession stand operations and other money making ventures during the anthem). And as the crisis has escalated with the league embroiled in politics, he’s given advice to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.
The recommendations to Goodell, outlined in a letter that Edwards shared with USA TODAY Sports, involved three key themes that are boiled down as such:
• Work in collaboration with the players in addressing the issues that fuel the protests, rather than focusing on retribution and punishment.
• Take a long-term view, recognizing that the movement could coalesce into another wave of athlete activism.
• Realize that retaliation would turn protesting players into martyrs while positioning the league as an entity opposing the merits of the issues that are of concern to the players.
While the NFL has taken steps to back some of the efforts of players, most notably with a matching funds partnership with the Players Coalition, the anthem policy is anything but supportive. The new policy instead echoes themes espoused by President Trump, who has attacked the league with vitriolic rhetoric. After declaring last fall that the NFL should “get that son of a (expletive) off the field right now” as a means for dealing with players who engage in peaceful protests, Trump maintained to Fox & Friends on Thursday that protesting players maybe “shouldn’t even be in the country.”
It doesn’t surprise Edwards that in response to the NFL’s policy – and Trump’s latest salvo – players have pushed back, setting the stage for the return of the controversy the league wanted to go away.
“They took a movement that was in decline and have resurrected it, pumped it up with adrenaline and made it a front-page story,” Edwards said. “And you’ve got you-know-who talking about players ought to leave the country.”
Edwards is incensed that the narrative has been redirected from the original protest motivations – police brutality and social injustices challenging African-Americans and other people of color – to a debate about honoring the flag and respect for the U.S. Armed Forces.
“I don’t know of a single athlete who is trying to insult the soldiers or the flag,” Edwards said. “But because we’re perceived to not have the credibility to speak to our own motivations and interests, it has come to this.”
He went on to blast NFL owners for allowing Trump to define patriotism as it relates to the anthem.
“But that’s where we are as a country,” Edwards said.
Strikingly, Edwards remains supportive of Goodell. He maintains that the commissioner’s role inherently involves taking the heat for the decisions of his bosses – the owners of the 32 teams.
“I feel for Roger, because I know where his heart it,” Edwards said. “But I guess that’s where the $44 million (estimate for his peak of his annual earnings during his tenure) comes in.”
Edwards said it harms the “tremendous effort” that Goodell demonstrated in striking an ongoing agreement with the Players Coalition to pursue social justice and other initiatives, which he feels is the model for moving from “protests to progress.”
Now Edwards insists that with African-Americans representing the overwhelming majority of protesting players, the racial overtones of the policy positioned the NFL as an institution existing in what he calls a “white space” in America.
“You scratch your head and wonder: ‘Are they really this racist? This stupid? What’s driving this?’ “ Edwards said. “I think that at a very fundamental level, we are still battling the residuals of 400 years of slavery. A lot of the owners think they own the players. They own the franchise.”
And a league at the center of societal debate like never before.
Follow Jarrett Bell on Twitter @JarrettBell.
May 30, 2018 at 3:09 am #86791znModeratorAlthough its not the best solution, I’m glad there is a ban on kneeling. I know it wasn’t all about disrespecting the flag. I didn’t want politics mixed with my Rams, so I boycotted last season. If the players start kneeling again? I’ll boycott the entire 2018 season.
Glad you spoke up Ramsey, it’s always good to get different voices on these things. You and I differ on this one but more perspectives needed. I hope all is well with you — good of you to drop in.
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