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January 23, 2015 at 5:12 pm #17235znModerator
Teammate: Manziel was a “100 percent joke” as a rookie
by Mike Florio
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/23/teammate-manziel-was-a-100-percent-joke-as-a-rookie/
So why aren’t the Browns declaring Johnny Manziel to be the team’s franchise quarterback? Based on a new report from ESPN.com, the reasons are plentiful.
The article from Jeremy Fowler and Patrick McManamon paints Manziel as being everything that it was feared he’d be, and worse. Based on interviews with 20 Browns sources, they’ve concluded that Manziel engaged in a “year-long pattern that showed a lack of commitment and preparation, a failure to be ready when given a chance in his first start against Cincinnati and a continued commitment to nightlife, which affected his preparation and work while in the team facility.”
As one unnamed player told ESPN.com, Manziel’s rookie year was a “100 percent joke.”
Last year at this time, Manziel was all about football, stubbornly refusing media requests as he stayed out of the limelight and (supposedly) focused on getting drafted as high as he could. Ultimately, it was an Eddie Haskell routine that the Browns should have spotted.
“During the draft process, not one person interviewed by the team said he was going to grow up,” a source directly involved in the drafting of Manziel told ESPN.com. “You can’t blame Johnny. This is who he is. The team knew that.”
(At the risk of being perceived as outing someone’s source, we can’t be the only ones who wonder whether that quote came from former Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, or from former Browns quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains.)
It came to a head for the Browns on the final weekend of the regular season, when he didn’t show up at the facility on Saturday morning for treatment. Per the report, team security went to Manziel’s apartment and found the player “drunk off his ass.” The team put out the word that he was “late” for treatment on an injured hamstring; per the report, players didn’t see him at all until it was time to fly to Baltimore for the regular-season finale.
As a result, it should be no surprise that the Browns currently aren’t ready to proclaim Manziel the starter for 2015. Unless he dramatically changes his ways, he may never be the starter, for the Browns or anyone else.
January 23, 2015 at 5:51 pm #17240bnwBlockedEddie Haskell? What a fool.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
January 23, 2015 at 6:17 pm #17243wvParticipant“You can’t blame Johnny. This is who he is. The team knew that.”
I like that. Its almost like a Haiku.
You cannot blame Johnny.
This is who he is.
The team knew that.w
vJanuary 24, 2015 at 12:50 am #17269znModeratorInside Manziel’s rocky rookie season
Browns sources reveal that celebrity quarterback was a turbulent presence in ’14
By Jeremy Fowler and Pat McManamon | ESPN.com
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1…struggled-commitment-preparation-sources-saidBEREA, Ohio — The name on the card that night in May seemed to draw as much anxiety as it did excitement.
Johnny Manziel, Quarterback, Texas A&M.
The former Heisman Trophy winner had been passed over 21 times, prompting a text from Manziel to then-Browns quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains that he wanted to “wreck this league” in Cleveland. The words were actually more R-rated, but the implication was clear.
Twitter erupted at the selection. A Cleveland radio host cheered and screamed openly on air. Manziel gave his “money” sign as he walked onstage to greet Roger Goodell.
By season’s end, cheering had turned to frustration and anger as Manziel struggled mightily in almost six quarters as a starter, then was fined for being AWOL the final Saturday of the season. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan resigned with two years left on his contract. Loggains was fired. The Browns openly discussed Manziel’s viability as the franchise’s quarterback at a wide-ranging postseason staff meeting about the roster. And at least a couple of Manziel’s teammates were joking his text should have read “wreck this team.”
Now the Browns point to 2015 with a talented but misguided quarterback who must repair the wreckage done in his own locker room.
Interviews by ESPN.com with nearly 20 Browns sources, both on the record and on condition of anonymity, along with several NFL personnel sources reveal the Manziel-related problems run deep.
Those who spoke talked of a year-long pattern that showed a lack of commitment and preparation, a failure to be ready when given a chance in his first start against Cincinnati and a continued commitment to nightlife, which affected his preparation and work while in the team facility.
As one player put it, Manziel throughout the entire 2014 season was a “100 percent joke.”
Some said it should not have been a surprise, that the Browns were well aware what they were getting.
“During the draft process, not one person interviewed by the team said he was going to grow up,” said one source directly involved in the drafting of Manziel. “You can’t blame Johnny. This is who he is. The team knew that.”
ESPN.com requested to interview coach Mike Pettine or general manager Ray Farmer about Manziel, and made several attempts to reach Manziel through intermediaries. The Browns and a Manziel rep from LRMR Management referred specific questions about the quarterback to the interviews all parties gave after the season.
“I need to start doing every single thing and everything the right way and if I don’t I’m going to be exposed,” Manziel said shortly after the season.
The theme from Pettine and Farmer in postseason news conferences was blunt: It’s time for Manziel’s actions to back up his words. Farmer did not mention anything from 2014 when asked what made him believe Manziel can succeed. His belief, he said, is based on “everything he did in three years when he was in college.”
People close to Manziel say he’s a well-intentioned 22-year-old who wants to be great but needed an NFL season to realize natural ability isn’t enough.
Some teammates doubt he can ever change. Others are hopeful.
“People make mistakes,” cornerback Joe Haden said. “I’m all about giving second chances.”
Words and actions
The sequence reeked of contradiction during the last week of the season.
On that Tuesday, Manziel stood in front of about 20 media members and outlined his plan to become the Browns’ answer at quarterback. He wanted to be “the guy” for Cleveland, he said, and would do so by taking his job more seriously. He was more animated than he’d been all year, eager to declare his intentions.
Four days later, stories in the Browns’ facility began to circulate. Manziel was not present the morning before the season finale. Team security drove to Manziel’s downtown home to check on him. The Browns were packing up for the season finale at Baltimore on Dec. 28.
Two team sources said security found a player who they felt clearly had partied hard the night before. One source used the words “drunk off his a–.”
The official word was that Manziel was “late,” but players said they didn’t see Manziel until the Browns’ chartered airplane prepared to take off in the afternoon, that he was not present all morning. The team fined Manziel for missing treatment on his injured hamstring, then had him sit in the locker room during the season finale in Baltimore.
“Johnny’s his own worst enemy,” one source said.
Monday after the season, Manziel had another news conference, saying many of the same things from six days earlier — actions must support words. That night he was featured in Instagram photos on Miami Beach, a few days later at a club in Houston and a few days after that on a mountain in Aspen, Colorado.
“I brought this on myself,” Manziel said the day after the Baltimore game. “I brought these cameras and all these people that are in this locker room right now and I don’t think it’s fair to myself, I don’t think it’s fair to anybody in this locker room the distractions I’ve brought at points in time.”
None of his teammates talked about disliking Manziel personally. In fact, a “good guy” theme is prevalent with him. Some players vouch for his work ethic. Left guard Joel Bitonio said “you can tell” Manziel wants to be good and “works his tail off” in the weight room.
But several Browns sources say privately Manziel’s words to the media — he’s not the same Johnny Football, he’s learned how to be a pro — simply didn’t always match his work.
“He’s competitive,” said tight end Jordan Cameron, a free agent. “So I’m hoping that competitive nature will get him past all the other stuff. Hopefully he does, and hopefully he figures it out.
Results matched preparation
The Browns have an honor system with fining players for tardiness to team activities — $250 for first offense, $500 for second, etc. The money can go to charity.
It’s uncertain how much coaches collected from Manziel, but one source said Manziel was late often enough that it was never a surprise when he was.
One Browns staffer said he believed Manziel didn’t get tough love when attention to detail wasn’t there, that the team did not always hold him accountable when he was late.
“He’s a kid that I think wants to do well but needs to be shown how, and he didn’t always get that help, in my opinion,” one Browns staffer said.
Manziel’s on-field results were, at best, mixed.
In his first game, in Buffalo in relief of a struggling Brian Hoyer, he led a touchdown drive on his first possession.
But readiness became an issue once Manziel got the starting job the following week. Several sources said Manziel either didn’t know the plays in the huddle or didn’t call them correctly. The Browns tried to get him comfortable by using shotgun and pistol formations on about 80 percent of his downs and by simplifying the offense.
But more than once, teammates corrected the play-call in the huddle, or headed to the line hoping things would work because the call was wrong. Sometimes, the offense would get lined up wrong because Manziel forgot to read the whole play or got the verbiage wrong (saying “left” instead of “right,” for example).
Manziel’s stat line from his first start: 10-of-18 passing for 80 yards, two interceptions and a 1.0 QBR.
It’s not easy for rookies to learn plays, and some struggle. Shanahan’s system was by no means simple. Some Browns coaches felt Manziel would have transitioned better with a redshirt season.
When asked recently about rookies transitioning to the NFL, Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt said taking snaps under center and learning new terminology takes time for many rookies, though he noted his former quarterback in Pittsburgh, Ben Roethlisberger, adjusted quickly.
Players said the problems they saw in the huddle and on the field against the Bengals were similar to what they saw in practice. Several sources said he did not practice well leading up to his first start, completing fewer than 50 percent of his passes during the week.
Also that week’s practices were not full-speed as Pettine tried to rest veterans, which further compounded uncertainty.
Manziel’s preparation was marginally better for his second start, at Carolina, although the numbers didn’t reflect much of an improvement with a 4.8 QBR.
Some veterans “clearly didn’t want to play for [Manziel]” because of the lack of readiness, and they responded better to undrafted rookie Connor Shaw in part because he knew the plays, sources said. It wasn’t lost on players that Shaw played through a dislocated finger on his left hand and a rib injury that had him passing blood after the season finale, while Manziel played six quarters before hurting his hamstring, then missed treatment on the injury on the final Saturday because he was still in bed.
One source stressed Manziel worked much harder in his two weeks as a starter than in the previous three months, but it was more like cramming for a test and he could not make up for his lack of work before the starts.
Farmer said Manziel thought he was ready, but once he encountered the speed of the game he realized in a hurry he wasn’t.
“He had a positive notion going in, but then it was turned around on him,” Farmer said.
Did Farmer believe he was ready? “Sure,” Farmer said.
Pettine said he played Manziel hoping for a spark, that Hoyer was struggling to the point he felt he had to make the move.
“We knew that Johnny, for us, was the big unknown,” Pettine said the day after the season ended. “It obviously didn’t work out.”
Shouldn’t have been a surprise
The biggest on-field concern with Manziel as he moved into the NFL was whether he could master the nuances of a pro system. At Texas A&M, the emphasis was on tempo, calling plays in a hurry and getting to the line to run plays quickly. In the NFL, pre-snap reads, protections and coverages matter more than tempo.
At A&M, the center made protection calls and Manziel’s job was, in part, to find mismatches, often throwing to dominant 6-foot-5 receiver Mike Evans or scrambling when plays broke down.
“The way we talked about him in meetings, the kid never put in the time he needed to — studying film, organizing workouts, 7-on-7 workouts — he didn’t do it,” said one NFC scout with a Southeastern Conference focus. “His thing would be he’s going to show up on Saturdays, ‘I’m a gamer.’ He’d show up for practices and games but that’s about it. Johnny thought he was an NFL superstar before he came [into the league].”
One A&M source said Manziel’s attitude is catching up to him. Manziel was lax in preparation unless the Aggies were playing a top-tier opponent, such as Alabama or Auburn, when “you couldn’t get him out of the film room,” the source said. Against Rice or Sam Houston State, not so much.
Neither owner Jimmy Haslam nor new offensive coordinator John DeFilippo has committed to starting Manziel in 2015, and with Brian Hoyer an impending free agent, the future of the Browns’ quarterback position is in doubt.
Farmer will not reveal where any player is ranked on the team’s draft board. Sources, though, said Shanahan liked Jimmy Garappolo, now with New England, or Tom Savage, now with Houston. Debate existed among assistant coaches about Manziel’s draft ratings, with some not giving him a first-round grade.
One personnel exec said Manziel is a “talented, unconventional quarterback” whose skill set is wasted when used in traditional NFL sets.
Another exec likened him to a young Brett Favre — he’ll go out and have fun and is confident enough in his ability to offset the nightlife. In one particular draft room, the exec recalls a discussion that Manziel might be a “model citizen” in year one but could revert to partying in year two.
“It takes focus and commitment [to succeed in NFL], which he clearly didn’t have,” the exec said.
Can Manziel become a franchise cornerstone?
John DeFilippo, who succeeded Shanahan as the Browns’ offensive coordinator, did not commit to Manziel during his introductory conference call on Thursday.
“We’re not sure if our starting quarterback is in the building or not,” DeFilippo said. “If he is, great. If he isn’t, great too.”
Later that evening, owner Jimmy Haslam echoed those remarks while speaking to reporters at an awards banquet.
“We’ve got to get a quarterback and got to get it fixed,” he said.
The Browns stand behind their statement that “actions speak louder than words.”
“To me, there should be no sense of entitlement [that] because he was drafted where he was drafted, therefore he is the starter,” Pettine said shortly after the season. “We’re not going to connect those dots.”
The Browns held wide-ranging staff meetings in early January, and coaches and personnel staffers openly discussed Manziel. The meetings did not produce a strong push to cancel the Johnny Football project.
“I think there’s an opportunity for the guy to make changes,” Farmer told media in late December, believing Manziel can be a “solid starter” in this league. “It’s up to him if he’s going to make those changes.”
One former NFL assistant coach familiar with developing quarterbacks said it was a mistake to draft Manziel, but it would be a bigger mistake to let him go.
Others, though, maintain the problems balloon when a team sticks with an uncommitted player. At least one candidate to replace Shanahan believed Manziel was not the answer, according to a source.
Opinions on Manziel are so varied — one league insider says “think Steve Young,” while ESPN analyst Merril Hoge says think “sixth-round talent” — that making judgments on his long-term value is still difficult.
Manziel still has support in the building, particularly on the business side because of the attention he commands in stadiums and merchandise lanes. Though the team said football decisions were made without influence or pressure, some coaches and many players had the clear perception the business and marketing end of the team favored the guy whose jerseys would sell.
Manziel led the NFL in jersey sales in July, before taking a training camp snap. His off-field star power is uncommon for most rookies: His super-friends include Drake and LeBron and Bieber.
“What Johnny has to understand is [if] he has another year like he just had, he’s not going to be famous anymore,” one NFL team exec said. “LeBron James is going to lose his number.”
January 24, 2015 at 8:29 am #17276WinnbradParticipantManziel ended up being exactly the person the New England scouting report said he was.
January 24, 2015 at 10:17 am #17282rflParticipantManziel ended up being exactly the person the New England scouting report said he was.
Indeed.
You guys know me. I ain’t no draftnik.
But, after a few decades of watching the Rams drafts screw up in a business rife with uncertainty, there’s one law of drafting.
Never draft a knucklehead. Never. Never.
And the worst trait in a knucklehead? Competitive laziness.
It never works out.
By virtue of the absurd ...
January 24, 2015 at 11:40 am #17288sdramParticipantManziel’s maturity issues aside – Size Matters in the modern day NFL. He ain’t got it, he ain’t never gonna get it. He would need other, greater attributes to over come his size limitation. Not sure if he has any type of ability to overcome this.
Not sure if it equates but Brett Favre’s rookie season came to my mind while reading this. He wasn’t as celebrated as a rookie and in my opinion was definitely more talented but his maturity level coming out of college was comparable I would say. He partied his way out of Atlanta. But, after a laughable and wasted rookie season, he got his shit together as a football player even if he drove his coaches crazy on the field. So, from a maturity standpoint I’d say all is not completely lost for Manziel yet – but he’s not big enough in my opinion and that’s not going to get any better. What is he 22, 23? Nobody I know has changed one iota from the day they turned 22 until they were 25 or 30. Well, except everybody. He might get a chance to show he can be a better pro although the odds are against him at this point.
February 2, 2015 at 1:14 pm #17835znModeratorReports: Johnny Manziel “entered treatment” on Wednesday
According to multiple published reports Monday morning, Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel has sought treatment for undisclosed personal issues.
According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer and several other reporters, Manziel “entered treatment” last Wednesday, an advisor for the quarterback said Monday, according to a statement released by Manziel’s publicist.
“Johnny knows there are areas in which he needs to improve in order to be a better family member, friend and teammate and he thought the off-season was the right time to take this step,” the publicist told the Plain Dealer and other media outlets. “On behalf of Johnny and his family, we’re asking for privacy until he rejoins the team in Cleveland.”
The 22-year-old Manziel appeared in just five games as a rookie, making two starts before suffering a season-ending hamstring injury.
UPDATE: Browns General Manager Ray Farmer has released the following statement on Manziel, per Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal:
“We respect Johnny’s initiative in this decision and will fully support him throughout this process. Our players’ health and well-being will always be of the utmost importance to the Cleveland Browns.
“We continually strive to create a supportive environment and provide the appropriate resources, with our foremost focus being on the individual and not just the football player. Johnny’s privacy will be respected by us during this very important period and we hope that others will do the same.”
February 2, 2015 at 1:43 pm #17839DakParticipantScared the crap outta me when I heard his name floated as a possibility for the Rams.
Anyway, sounds like he’s an alcoholic. He’s going to have to address his life before any type of football career. And, that’s going to take some character, which I don’t see in him.
February 11, 2015 at 7:53 pm #18340znModeratorBrowns owner says team didn’t know about Johnny Manziel’s personal life
By Frank Schwab
Jimmy Haslam must not have access to the Internet. That’s really the only way to explain how the Cleveland Browns’ owner could have not known about Johnny Manziel’s off-field red flags when the team drafted him in the first round last year. Here’s what Haslam said about Manziel during a press conference on Wednesday:
“I don’t know how much of Johnny’s personal life was known by everybody then,” Haslam said, according ot the Akron Beacon-Journal.
Come on.
There’s two ways to view that quote: Either Haslam is lying or the Browns are the worst organization in sports. For the sake of Cleveland fans, don’t answer that.
Manziel’s penchant for going out was a massive story when he was at Texas A&M and leading up to the draft as well. Here’s a passage from ESPN.com’s Wright Thompson’s story on Manziel, from July 30, 2013. This was written by Thompson nine months before the Browns drafted Manziel, with references to Manziel’s father Paul and Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin:
“Paul thinks Johnny drinks to deal with the stress. After his arrest, Johnny’s parents and Sumlin mandated he visit an alcohol counselor; Johnny saw him six or seven weeks during the season.”
Dr. Saturday wrote extensively about Manziel’s life in the spotlight. Everyone did. The extent of Manziel’s issues that caused him to check into a treatment facility might not have been clear, but if Haslam and the Browns’ front office didn’t know anything about Manziel’s off-field life, they were the only ones in the football world who were unaware.
But that’s practically inconsequential going forward. The Browns invested a first-round pick into Manziel just a year ago and want to make it work. And Haslam said he thinks it can work.
“It’s way too early to give up on Johnny,” Haslam said, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “We certainly haven’t given up on him. Everybody’s been too harsh.”
Haslam said he didn’t know when Manziel would return to the team, but he supported his decision to go to rehab.
It would be enormous for the Browns franchise if Manziel can become a franchise quarterback. And the Browns franchise could use some good news.
The Browns have a lot of issues but one of the most pressing ones is the NFL investigation into Browns general manager Ray Farmer sending texts to the sideline during games. The messages were relayed to the coaches on the sideline, and that’s not allowed by the NFL. The punishment could be as harsh as the loss of a draft pick.
“He said he feels he made a mistake in sending those texts,” Haslam said, via the Plain Dealer. “But it does not affect his standing with the club. I don’t think Ray intended to gain an unfair advantage.”
February 12, 2015 at 3:33 pm #18370DakParticipantAt least we don’t root for the Browns’ organization. What a joke.
February 13, 2015 at 6:44 am #18411nittany ramModeratorAt least we don’t root for the Browns’ organization. What a joke.
Obviously he’s lying about not knowing about Manziel’s off the field issues.
The thing is, other than escapability, what attributes does he possess that make him a potentially great QB and therefore worth investing all this time and effort in?
If he wasn’t a first round draft pick there would be little reason to keep him around.
February 16, 2015 at 10:28 am #18515znModeratorManziel Teammate: ‘Think About…If We Had Drafted Teddy Bridgewater’
It was a few days after Johnny Manziel had imploded like a dying star against the Cincinnati Bengals, completing 10 passes for 80 yards and throwing two picks—one of the worst first starts for a quarterback in recent NFL history.
Many things led to that moment, and Browns players knew the Manziel meltdown was approaching. Some were starting to think his on-field issues went beyond his apparent disdain for studying and practicing his craft. There was something else. Something simpler. Something bigger.
Some players believed Manziel wasn’t good enough to play in the NFL. It wasn’t solely the work ethic or the partying, but a dramatic talent deficit.
In the wake of that disastrous start against the Bengals, a Browns player remembers a brief conversation he had with a teammate.
“Think about where we’d be now,” the player recalled telling a teammate, “if we had drafted Teddy Bridgewater.”
That’s what the player remembered saying. “Think about where we’d be now if we had drafted Teddy Bridgewater.”
Bridgewater would go on to set several NFL and team rookie records. He had four consecutive starts late in the season where he completed better than 70 percent of his passes, the first time a rookie’s ever had more than two.
The Browns picked Manziel at No. 22, and the Vikings took Bridgewater 10 spots later. Looking back, it’s ironic the perceived character issues with Bridgewater were a greater concern to some team executives than Manziel’s. There were the infamous anonymous NFL executives who said Bridgewater couldn’t be “the face of a franchise.” This led to the brilliant Amy Trask, the former Raiders front-office executive, to excoriate Bridgewater’s faceless critics in one of the best predraft rants of all time. She said at the time:
Is anyone other than me absolutely, positively offended by what we’ve been reading and hearing the past week or so about, “We’re not sure he can be the face of the franchise?”
Not only do I find it offensive, but if you’re going to say something like that about a young man whose career is about to start, put your name on it. Put your name on it. Don’t say he can’t be the face of your franchise but that’s off the record. You want to say that? Put your name on it. And I find it offensive.
The criticism of Bridgewater was inane then and seems even more so now, as he played an admirable rookie season and is a highly handsome face of the franchise. Manziel became the face of Instagram.
This is where many were possibly wrong about Manziel. Maybe it’s not just the partying, the lack of preparation or the possible substance abuse. Those are issues, to be sure, but as far as his ability to win at the NFL level goes, the aforementioned drawbacks are not as big as the larger problem.
And that problem is this: Maybe Manziel can’t play.
What I can say with certainty is that’s a prevailing theme among a significant number of players in that Browns locker room. That’s what I’ve heard from several of them. The ESPN story about the locker room dissatisfaction is extremely accurate, but what is also true is that by the end of last season, some of Manziel’s teammates didn’t just doubt his ability to learn and prepare; they doubted his ability to be a competent quarterback.
This means that when Manziel returns to the team, he will not just have to overcome doubt about his work ethic but also the belief that he’s basically an oversold version of Akili Smith.
When I contacted several Browns players toward the end of the season, they were clearly exasperated with Manziel. One player in particular told me he wanted to calm himself and would text me after the season ended. (I actually tweeted this after a short conversation with him.) The player honored his word.
This player remembered watching Manziel practice and noticed that the accuracy of his throws not only failed to improve but actually worsened. To this player—and he says other teammates have similar beliefs—Manziel was far less talented than the media and fans believed.
This is the huge problem for Cleveland. There’s no question that a quarterback can improve on accuracy, but it takes an almost extremist attitude to do it.
I recently spoke with Aaron Rodgers, who explained how he improved his accuracy: hard work, constantly emphasizing the mental part of the game, doing what he calls mental reps. Even in practice when he’s not taking a snap, if he’s watching the backup run a pass play, he is running the play in his mind.
This was the sentence Rodgers used: “Make drill work as difficult as possible.”
There have been many windows into Manziel’s psyche. Some have been false, but some have been highly accurate and have foreshadowed where we’re at now. I’ve called Manziel Eddie Haskell because of his ability to fool the best NFL minds when he was leaving college and started interviewing with team officials. He told them, at the scouting combine and in meetings, how he was a changed man. This was a mantra he’s repeated several times, including after he ran into trouble while with the Browns.
In the excellent Bruce Feldman book called The QB: The Making of Modern Quarterbacks, Manziel says he will be a changed man. Feldman interviewed Manziel in his last year at Texas A&M, after various issues and pseudo-scandals. Manziel told Feldman:
I’ve had to grow up a lot with the whole NCAA deal with all of the scrutiny. It made me realize it wasn’t the best idea, posting about all the places I was going to and all the stuff I was doing, I’ve learned a lot from my mistakes. I’m off Twitter for now, and I just want to focus on the season. I’m not tweeting, and I don’t have time for that. The biggest thing for me is, I want people to know that all the stuff that was talked about with the off-season didn’t get in the way of all the work that I had put in with (quarterback guru George Whitfield) ’cause I worked hard to become a better passer. We talked all the time. It was nice to go out and show how much I got better. I really did work hard. Were there times I could’ve been out here slaving this summer? Yes, but I didn’t feel like that was what I needed to do. I felt like I deserved to have a little bit of fun, and it was really blown out of proportion.
The problem with that quote is, the greats do bust their ass in the summer. And the winter. And the fall. And the spring. And in every possible moment they can.
(And Manziel would return from his self-imposed social media hiatus with a vengeance.
Manziel would relate different variations of how he changed, or learned, or learned to change, in numerous interviews, both public and, according to several team officials, in private with them during the scouting combine and afterward. We now know not only did Manziel not change, he regressed.
Manziel sold the Browns a bill of goods. The Browns, in turn, sold fans and media the same garbage.
Sure, if Manziel had an attitude like Rodgers’, maybe things would have been slightly different his rookie year. What we know is that young studs like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck and Bridgewater do put in that extra work. In some ways, it’s what separates them from the rest.
Yet Rodgers also came into the NFL with certain natural talents. In his case, the league underestimated him. With Manziel, it looks like his abilities were overestimated.
There are potential lessons from Manziel’s disastrous rookie season. It’s unfair to totally write off a player so young, but there is also something to say about maximizing talent. It’s likely Manziel would have practiced and played better had he utilized a hyper-professional approach to playing, like a Rodgers or even a Bridgewater.
Yet it’s also possible that would have only mattered so much because, again, it’s looking more and more like Manziel just isn’t that good.
There are numerous quarterback busts in history: Matt Leinart, Dave Klingler, Heath Shuler, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Rick Mirer…it goes on and on and on.
One of the things those players have in common is struggling, badly, early on. Not the usual struggles all rookie throwers face. Worse than that. The NFL overwhelmed their abilities, like too many people trying to use GoGo inflight wireless, and they never recovered. Like Manziel, they looked exceptional running college offenses then were buried by the complications of professional defenses. Add to that the additional pressure of social media scrutiny (which Manziel brought on himself) and it’s a nasty mix.
There’s a degree of the eye test here when it comes to Manziel last year, and I get what this Browns player was saying. Manziel looked smallish, limited and inaccurate. He apparently looked that way in practice as well, according to the player.
Even rookies who struggled showed promise. I remember Troy Aikman’s rookie season, and he got blasted, but in the process of getting beaten to a pulp, you saw numerous flashes of ability. We might see those flashes if Manziel started an entire season, but it’s doubtful.
The Browns aren’t abandoning ship. Not yet. Owner Jimmy Haslam said in a meeting with Cleveland beat writers:
I think it’s way too early to give up on Johnny. We certainly haven’t given up on him.
I applaud him for raising his hand and saying “I need help.” We’re going to do everything we can to support him. Our primary interest is making sure that he gets well, if you will. Fixes himself. However long that takes, we’re going to stand beside him. We hope Johnny can get that straightened out because we feel he’s a really good athlete and can help our team. But the first thing he’s got to do is get himself fixed.
He’s an easy guy to pile on.
Yes, yes he is, in part because of his own actions. In part because of a Browns organization that remains dysfunctional despite suckers like me thinking the team finally knew what it was doing.
The Browns are left with this frightening scenario. It’s not Manziel’s off-field disasters that are hurting him. It’s worse.
It’s that he might not be a good player. At all.
February 16, 2015 at 10:44 am #18517wvParticipantYes, yes he is, in part because of his own actions. In part because of a Browns organization that remains dysfunctional despite suckers like me thinking the team finally knew what it was doing.
The Browns are left with this frightening scenario. It’s not Manziel’s off-field disasters that are hurting him. It’s worse.
It’s that he might not be a good player. At all.
Well thats kinda what Greg Cossell thought
as i recall — the guy just wasn’t very good.w
vApril 12, 2015 at 1:37 am #22594znModerator
Manziel’s time in rehab endshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/11/manziels-time-in-rehab-ends/
Mike Florio
Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel entered rehab in late January. Per multiple reports, Manziel’s time in rehab has now ended.
The move comes with more than a week until the Browns open their offseason program, which allows players to spend up to four hours per day in the facility, working out and attending classroom instructions.
With the Browns reportedly interested in trading up for quarterback Marcus Mariota, it’s entirely possible that the Browns have moved on from Manziel. But as long as he’s on the roster, he has a chance to redeem himself. And with his salary for 2015 fully guaranteed and presumably no one inclined to trade for him, Manziel will get that chance.
From a football perspective, the key for Manziel will be to commit himself fully and completely to football. From a personal perspective, the bigger challenge will be to stay on the path that he started via more than two months in rehab.
May 31, 2015 at 10:24 pm #25629znModeratorAfter incident at golf tournament, agent says fan harassed Manziel
Michael David Smith
Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel was involved in some type of incident at a golf tournament on Saturday, although reports conflict about the details.
Manziel’s agent, Erik Burkhardt, told Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com that Manziel was harassed by a fan at the Byron Nelson Classic on Saturday. According to Burkhardt, Manziel handled it appropriately by going to security, and that’s why photos have surfaced showing Manziel talking to police officers.
But Colin Cowherd of ESPN wrote on Twitter, “Expect a Johnny Manziel story from Byron Nelson tourney over next day or two.” Cowherd provided no details, but his tweet seems to be suggesting that there may be more to it than what Manziel’s agent offered.
TMZ reports that there was indeed more to it: According to TMZ, Manziel “got into a fight with a buddy” and threw a water bottle at his friend. Manziel missed, prompting the friend to sarcastically scream, “Nice throw, Johnny.” A source told TMZ that Manziel responded to that by charging at his friend, although someone else in the group held him back.
There’s quite a difference between the agent’s account and the TMZ account. Manziel hasn’t had anything to say about it yet.
October 16, 2015 at 10:07 pm #32450znModerator@SiriusXMNFL: BREAKING NEWS: #Browns Johnny Manziel was pulled over by Avon police on highway, arguing with girlfriend. Drinking involved
October 18, 2015 at 8:34 am #32527wvParticipanthttp://www.breitbart.com/sports/2015/10/16/johnny-manziel-admits-to-drinking-again/
I personally would like the mass-media to arrange
a steel cage match
between Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow.w
vNovember 27, 2015 at 7:38 am #34749znModeratorJohnny Manziel demoted after lying to team about timeline of video
Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel lost his starting job because he lied to the team’s coaching staff about when a video of him partying in Austin, Texas, was recorded, a league source confirmed Thursday.
Manziel’s account to the Browns was earlier reported by Fox Sports.
One week after being named the team’s starter, Manziel was demoted to third string for Monday night’s game against the Baltimore Ravens after social media posts surfaced showing Manziel allegedly partying during the team’s bye week.
According to a league source, Manziel lied directly to coach Mike Pettine about when the video was filmed. He also encouraged his friends to lie about when the video was recorded, according to the Fox Sports report.
Manziel might have kept the job had he told the truth, the source said.
Pettine was asked Wednesday if Manziel admitted the video was from last weekend.
“I won’t get into the details of what we talked about,” Pettine said.
The video showed Manziel singing in a nightclub and holding what appeared to be champagne bottle. One day after the video surfaced and after meeting with Manziel, Pettine announced Tuesday that backup Josh McCown would replace Manziel as the team’s starter.
“When you have a great opportunity in front of you, it is important that you demonstrate that you can handle the responsibility that comes with it,” Pettine said Wednesday. “I can’t emphasize enough the importance of the trust and the accountability piece. This is where we had an obvious shortcoming.”
Manziel had been named the Browns’ starter after he threw for 372 yards in a 30-9 loss to the Steelers on Nov. 15. When he was named the starter, Pettine talked to Manziel about appropriately representing the organization. Manziel told reporters before the bye week that he was “not going to do anything that’s going to be a distraction to this team or be an embarrassment to the organization.”
Last month, Manziel made headlines after witnesses reported him driving dangerously on an interstate highway, and his girlfriend said he had gotten physical with her in the car. Manziel was questioned by police, who smelled alcohol on Manziel’s breath but did not give him a field sobriety test because he showed no signs of inebriation. Just last week, the NFL announced Manziel would not face discipline for the incident.
Manziel spent 10 weeks in a treatment facility during the offseason for undisclosed reasons.
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