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  • #155114
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    Well, Breer and Cowherd seem to think the Rams trading stafford is a real possibility.
    Cowherd thinks the Giants might make a deal since they have the no.3 pick. And then maybe Aaron Rogers ends up in LA for a year or two, while the Rams use the giants pick to move up for a qb next year.

    I do NOT want to lose Stafford. Shit.

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    #155116
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    I was giving this the full spectrum of my attention this morning as I commuted to work (Narrator: No, he wasn’t), and I decided that the only trade I would do for Stafford would be…

    for Joe Burrow.

    #155119
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    how about Kupp and Stafford to the Chargers for Justin Herbert and Khalil Mack?

    #155121
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    Moved from a duplicate thread that got deleted.

    Would love to see the Rams get the third pick in the draft, move down a bit, load up, etc. But I don’t want to have to root for Rodgers. That would be tough for me.

    Thing is, the Rams haven’t shown a lot of skill lately in maximizing returns on players they trade, so I kinda doubt they’d get that much for MS.

    I’m worried that there seems to be some momentum for a trade. I’d rather keep Stafford than trade him for peanuts. Same with Kupp. Gonna be an interesting offseason — again.

    #155122
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    This won’t post, so here’s the link. It’s Cowherd on the Stafford situation.

    https://twitter.com/RamsTapes/status/1890104151163773357

    #155127
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    how about Kupp and Stafford to the Chargers for Justin Herbert and Khalil Mack?

    Don’t know why the Chargers would want to do that, but…sure. I’d take that.

    I mean… I would only trade Stafford if the Rams could get a comparable QB who was younger.

    If they don’t get that, then… why?

    Stafford is still good. He has some quality seasons in front of him still. So I wouldn’t give him up for an unproven QB. I just would not.

    #155130
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    #155134
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    Albert Breer on Stafford’s future

    Breer is absolutely the best on this issue so far.

    #155135
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    Cowherd continues to push his theory on Rodgers to LA.

    Breyer is correct, Rams are young and need Stafford for the next 2 seasons.

    Rams have the window open right now, just need a little more consistency from Rozeboom and Reeder.

    When healthy, the Rams are right there.

    #155136
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    Rams have the window open right now, just need a little more consistency from Rozeboom and Reeder.

    Or to draft a true high caliber ILB.

    Though what I’ve read so far says this is a weak draft for LBs.

    It’s supposed to be a great year at WR and CB and good at OT.

    #155138
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    Pat Leonard@PLeonardNYDN
    Just had @AdamSchefter on Talkin’ Ball with Pat Leonard. He told me “there is no way in hell that the #Giants are giving up the third overall pick for Matthew Stafford” if trade talks ever occur. But it might not even come to that.

    Schefter said the #Rams’ “first priority” is to re-sign Stafford, and they believe at the moment they can work something out. Plus, Stafford “would like to be back in L.A.”

    Full interview here @YouTube & @BleavNetwork: https://youtu.be/4Jbrx3BGUCE

    that interview quoted, from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2025/02/14/matthew-stafford-giants-trade-rumors-rams-draft-pick/?taid=67b19b0cbbd52000018d77fa&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

    more of what Schefter said about the situation.

    “I think they’re committed to trying to work something out,” he said. “But it doesn’t mean that they actually will work something out, and that’s where Giants fans and people around the Tr-State New York area are getting curious and interested. Because if – if – they don’t get it worked out, then, obviously, the Giants become an option.”

    Schefter isn’t ruling anything out right now when it comes to Stafford’s future. He says the Rams believe they can get something done with the veteran quarterback, but that doesn’t mean they’ll actually be able to – especially after last year’s negotiations dragged out for months until the start of camp.

    “I think the Rams have sensed and believed that they think they can get it worked out. Doesn’t mean they will,” he said. “But if they can, then all this talk about Chad Hall and Matthew Stafford and New York doesn’t mean anything. If they don’t get it worked out, well, then we’ve got something to talk about leading into the combine and the start of the new league year and I would think we have an answer to that sooner rather than later because the Rams have to get clarity because they have to know, ‘OK, are we getting a deal done with Matthew Stafford and if not, then what are we doing about this particular situation?’ But I think their first priority, their interest is in re-signing Matthew and I think Matthew would like to be back in L.A., but the Rams have a price, Matthew has a price, and can they meet in a common ground and work it out, or not?”

    #155139
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    “I think the Rams have sensed and believed that they think they can get it worked out. Doesn’t mean they will,” he said. “But if they can, then all this talk about Chad Hall and Matthew Stafford and New York doesn’t mean anything.

    That’s Schefter. He’s a reporter. Cowherd is not a reporter, he’s a media personality/slash/analyst.

    #155140
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    I just cant believe the rams are dum enough to give up an elite QB with 2 to 4 more years left, for some draft picks.

    If they dont PAY stafford, I will look at this much like the London Fletcher idiocy.

    Stafford has been vastly UNDER-paid for years now. Jeezus, just look at the QBs making 50 million a year.

    Just pay him.

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    #155141
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    from https://www.profootballrumors.com/2025/02/rams-qb-matthew-stafford-likely-to-restructure-deal-again

    FEBRUARY 17: Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated confirms Stafford’s intention is seen as being to remain with the Rams, although speculation to the contrary will likely continue until a restructure is worked out. How quickly team and player can reach an agreement will be key in shaping Los Angeles’ offseason plans.

    #155143
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    Rodrigue, from Assessing Matthew Stafford’s, Cooper Kupp’s situations with the Rams: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6137806/2025/02/17/rams-matthew-stafford-cooper-kupp-future/

    LOS ANGELES — Though it has been clear over the past month that the Los Angeles Rams are ready to move on from receiver Cooper Kupp, quarterback Matthew Stafford’s situation remains fluid. The sides met to talk before the Super Bowl, although not much progressed after their opening conversations, and will pick back up in the coming weeks, a league source said.

    It’s not a given that Stafford will remain with the Rams despite both sides’ initial openness to work out a deal. The Rams have to recognize that the most competitive path forward is for Stafford to return for another year and one more run while he continues to play at a high level. But the fact that coach Sean McVay and general manager Les Snead didn’t overtly commit to Stafford in season-ending news conferences basically signaled their open phone lines for a potential trade.

    If there is a difference between Stafford and the Rams, it would likely be this: The Rams don’t want to make a significant financial commitment to a veteran quarterback whose long-term future or durability they can’t be certain about, and a youthful roster built through the draft is now their core identity.

    Stafford’s ability — and availability — over the last two seasons is inarguable. He has missed only one game due to injury, and although he faced a couple of slumps this season, he especially excelled in the playoffs. Stafford has played some of his best football in postseason runs for the Rams, including this January and during their Super Bowl run in 2021-22. The Rams have one foot still in their previous team-building era of the early 2020s, when Stafford was the final major piece of their Super Bowl puzzle. They have another foot in their future after successfully drafting high-level starters in their previous two classes and rebuilding the core of their roster. Deciding when to step, and in what direction, is the key question of their offseason.

    There are two truths: Eventually, the Rams need to secure a long-term quarterback who will grow with the roster and won’t prohibit them from paying their first- and second-year stars when those extensions are due (plus whoever comes next at quarterback). But also, their roster is ready to win earlier than many expected, so why wouldn’t they plug back in their elite quarterback and make another run?

    Stafford’s wife, Kelly, recently said on her podcast that Stafford doesn’t want to “put the team in a bad situation,” but the Rams understand there is a certain level of financial respectability owed to a quarterback of his skill level and status. Would that be a sticking point for the Staffords?

    An NFC executive who spoke to me on the condition of anonymity said if he were in the Rams’ position, he couldn’t get rid of Stafford because he’d be too hard to replace at his current level. An NFC coach said something similar, adding that he believed Stafford had at least one more year in him at his current level of play but noted if the Rams keep him, they’re only avoiding their future problem for that one additional year. An AFC executive said he could see the Rams trading Stafford if they could recoup enough assets (the implication was they haven’t hesitated to trade star players in the past), and a separate AFC executive believed Stafford would play one more year in L.A.

    See? Things have been … up in the air, even in the perception of the broader league. The buzz around the quarterback exists for good reason: The Rams and Stafford couldn’t reach a multiyear agreement on his existing extension (signed in 2022) before training camp last summer so reworked it to frontload his remaining guaranteed money into 2024 with the expectation that they’d revisit the conversation now. Because that remains unresolved, Stafford’s future with the team remains in question, and trade speculation has only increased as the offseason has continued.

    If the Rams move on from Stafford or even begin to imagine a world without him, they don’t have a viable backup plan in place. Jimmy Garoppolo, their backup last season, will be a free agent, and 2023 fourth-round pick Stetson Bennett was drafted specifically to be a long-term QB2.

    McVay really likes Garoppolo — more than some league sources whom I spoke with expected him to — because of his amiability, work ethic and understanding of the offense. Garoppolo, though, would be a bridge to the next franchise quarterback, whether that player arrives via draft or trade. League sources were generally split on whether the Rams/McVay would work best with a rookie or continue McVay’s preference for a veteran’s experience in his constantly changing offensive scheme. Draft experts agree that this incoming quarterback class is somewhat thin and certainly top-heavy. As of now, the Rams don’t pick until No. 26 in this year’s draft.

    Free-agent quarterbacks include Sam Darnold (who has ties to L.A. in a roundabout way through Minnesota Vikings head coach Kevin O’Connell and other staff) — though Darnold would not be cheap and the Rams would have to be certain of his long-term fit — Justin Fields, Jacoby Brissett, Drew Lock, Marcus Mariota, Daniel Jones and Mac Jones. Aaron Rodgers is also expected to be released by the New York Jets, and though Rodgers’ highly publicized television appearances are not a natural match for a head coach who only wants his players focused on football (and not weekly TV shows or podcasts), it should be noted that the Rams were interested in Rodgers’ potential availability before trading for Stafford in 2021. Also notable: Neither McVay nor Snead would cede any roster control to Rodgers, who has a history of bringing his friends to his new teams. Similar to Garoppolo, such a move would only serve as a bridge to whatever investment comes next at the position.

    Overall, the Rams will not spend big money or trade/draft capital on a quarterback unless they believe he is their present and their future. The latter component is one of the reasons Stafford’s status even remains in question. My sense is that many within the organization want to get something done with Stafford but are also thinking about the ascending young group of players, including some with early contract extensions coming due over the next two years. There’s a financial point and/or term limit the Rams are unlikely to cross, even if Stafford undoubtedly gives them their best chance to make a run in 2025.

    #155144
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    I actually don’t take any of this terribly seriously. I can’t imagine why the Rams would move Stafford.

    Maybe to Detroit for Goff and a couple of 1st round picks, but nothing less. There are all these trade scenarios out there where the Rams trade him for moving up a few slots in the draft in round 2, or whatever. I mean…there’s no reason to do that. Stafford is really good. And sure he’s mortal, and the Rams will have to replace him some day, but the Rams are a Super Bowl contender with Stafford. They aren’t without him.

    So any trade for him would have to be good enough to appreciably increase the Rams’ chances in 2026 and beyond. You don’t close a SB window for marginal improvement. You would only do it for definite, longer-lasting improvement.

    #155145
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    So any trade for him would have to be good enough to appreciably increase the Rams’ chances in 2026 and beyond. You don’t close a SB window for marginal improvement. You would only do it for definite, longer-lasting improvement.

    That’s my take. Stories attract attention, but a lot of it is just noise.

    Closing a playoff window just over money with a star caliber qb would be one of the worst management moves the Rams could ever make.

    Now maybe if they talked Marc Bulger out of retirement….

    #155146
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    “…An NFC executive who spoke to me on the condition of anonymity said if he were in the Rams’ position, he couldn’t get rid of Stafford because he’d be too hard to replace at his current level. An NFC coach said something similar, adding that he believed Stafford had at least one more year in him at his current level of play but noted if the Rams keep him, they’re only avoiding their future problem for that one additional year. …”

    But its not like Stafford has only ONE additional year left. The way QBs are protected now, he could very well have two, three, or four elite years left. Even if he missed half the season in some of those years, the critical thing would be his availability in the playoffs.

    The guy is a top six quarterback. He is paid like a middle-tier QB.

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    #155147
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    But its not like Stafford has only ONE additional year left. The way QBs are protected now, he could very well have two, three, or four elite years left. Even if he missed half the season in some of those years, the critical thing would be his availability in the playoffs.

    Yeah, that’s the other thing. The Rams don’t NEED to replace Stafford for quite a while.

    And Colin Cowherd, while he’s certainly right that the Dodgers are great for baseball, is completely wrong on trading Stafford to the NYG for the 3rd pick, and then dealing that down into multiple picks in order to trade up NEXT year for a QB. That’s just nonsense. The Rams have some “doable” off-season holes to fill, and doing that will put them in the hunt next season. The defense just got better and better all year, to the point that the Rams defense was looking like it might be championship caliber as it was. The DL became so dominant that they could harass their way to a Lombardi. So…why would you throw away Stafford and the next couple of seasons on an unknown QB who will need to learn the game? That makes no sense. If they unloaded Stafford now in an effort to reload at QB the year after next, they would be getting up to speed at QB right when Nacua, Turner, Young, Williams, and Avila were expiring. They’re not going to bet it all on Jimmy G.

    And the Rams won’t do that because they’re not stupid. We’ve already seen them aggressively get pieces to put them on top, and they’re close enough to do that again. They will figure it out with Stafford.

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    #155149
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    Rams have the window open right now, just need a little more consistency from Rozeboom and Reeder.

    Or to draft a true high caliber ILB.

    Though what I’ve read so far says this is a weak draft for LBs.

    It’s supposed to be a great year at WR and CB and good at OT.

    BTW…both of you…I think that the 49ers are going to have to let Dre Greenlaw walk. I’ve been thinking about this, and they have to sign Purdy. And Fred Warner already sucks up a lot of the cap at the LB position.

    I doubt that the Rams invest what he will end up eventually costing, but just throwing that out there. He’s not going to get what he thinks he is worth, though. He might be open to a short term “prove it” deal.

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