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June 14, 2022 at 10:56 am #139323znModerator
According to Doug Farrar of Touchdown Wire, Matthew Stafford is the NFL’s best QB against Cover 2 https://t.co/823rywKMwG
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) June 14, 2022
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According to Doug Farrar of Touchdown Wire, Stafford was the best quarterback in the NFL against Cover 2 last season. When facing this zone coverage with two deep safeties, Stafford completed 61 of 85 passes for 841 yards and six touchdowns with no interceptions. His passer rating on such plays was 126.6, easily picking apart this two-high look.
Cover-2 — zone with two deep safeties — isn’t the ubiquitous coverage it was in the early part of the new millennium, but as defenses are trying to foil opposing quarterbacks with more two-high concepts, you’ll still see a lot of it. Defenses using it against Stafford, however, may want to think twice. Against Cover-2 last season, Stafford completed 61 of 85 passes for 841 yards, 517 air yards, six touchdowns, no interceptions, a passer rating of 126.6. and an ANY/A of 11.1. The commination of Stafford’s arm talent and Sean McVay’s passing concepts factors badly for any defense trying to get over with Cover-2.
One of the biggest plays of the Rams’ season came against Cover 2 when Stafford hit Cooper Kupp for a 70-yard touchdown against the Bucs in the divisional round of the playoffs. Stafford baited the strong safety to the middle of the field, which left Kupp wide open down the right side after the underneath cornerback dropped off to cover the flat.
July 11, 2022 at 4:11 pm #139633znModeratorLast year, Matthew Stafford was voted the 6th-best QB in the NFL, according to execs, players and coaches.
He was ranked 6th again this year https://t.co/kAvm6LJJYg
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) July 11, 2022
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ESPN polled NFL executives, coaches, players and scouts to find out where they rank the best quarterbacks in the league and despite putting together a strong 2021 campaign, Stafford didn’t move up the rankings. He came in at No. 6 last year and is still ranked sixth in this year’s poll.
One voter put him third, which was his highest ranking, but his lowest was outside the top 10, so it was a mixed bag. One NFL coordinator was impressed by his no-look pass in the Super Bowl, calling Stafford a “special player making a special play.”
“A lot of those no-looks you see are on the move, out of the pocket; but this was in the pocket, looks like he’s going to throw the ball in the flat, throws it in the curl and the safety (Cincinnati’s Vonn Bell) was frozen,” an NFL coordinator said. “That ain’t coaching. That’s a special player making a special play.”
July 12, 2022 at 1:01 pm #139641znModeratorRams position preview: Where can Matthew Stafford, QBs go next?
...The Los Angeles Rams report to training camp at the end of July. In the weeks leading up to the return of football, we’re taking a position-by-position look at the team, so we can tide you over with football tidbits until we get there. Today, we’re talking about the Rams’ quarterbacks..
A year ago, we wondered what a Matthew Stafford/Sean McVay pairing would look like for the Rams offense. One Super Bowl win later, we’re now wondering what they can do next.
Throughout the 2021 season, the Rams’ passing game under Stafford moved away from league-leading usage of play-action passing and implemented greater use of dropback and shotgun concepts and empty-set alignments. The Rams finished the regular season No. 4 in EPA (expected points added) per dropback (0.13) and in explosive pass play rate (16.8 percent). Stafford ranked No. 3 in the NFL in EPA per pass attempt (0.25, behind Joe Burrow and Aaron Rodgers). When Stafford did utilize play action, he did so in a way the Rams had previously not used — gun action, not just play action from under center. When passing out of the gun action, Stafford’s EPA jumped to 0.43, and out of play action from under center, it was 0.37. As more defenses than ever utilize the same two-high shell and post-snap rotation concepts that the Rams installed in 2020, the aforementioned details illustrate the way the Rams believe they can stay ahead of that shift, too. Stafford, it became clear, likes to have the defense “declare” its intentions in front of him and without turning his back on any rotations (hence the empty sets and gun action), so he can adjust accordingly post-snap, where he is a high-level processor. All of these elements, when utilized effectively, add dimension to the passing game that can open up still more variables and make it even tougher to defend. (All data courtesy of TruMedia)
There’s no indication that the Rams will stop using these concepts as they continue to build the offense into 2022. In fact, where Stafford and McVay were largely building their original shift last spring and summer for the first time in either of their careers, now, they have a foundation to tweak and adjust accordingly and continue to evolve.
What will that look like? We can’t know just yet, as Stafford didn’t throw in the spring after an anti-inflammatory shot in his elbow in March. Stafford will be ready to go by training camp, he confirmed during OTAs, and my sense is that holding him out of spring workouts is more precautionary because of the length of the season and the Rams’ lack of an offseason break.
Additions: None (yet). Wow, relatively calm offseason at this position, eh?
During the draft, multiple sources told me the Rams would pursue undrafted free agents in the spring and summer to fill a QB4 role ahead of camp; they did hit the phones after the draft, but so far, they haven’t brought in anybody new. That makes sense when considering the hierarchy of the current group — the Nos. 2 and 3 roles are clearly filled, so really the only promise that could be made to a potential acquisition is a signing bonus and plenty of playing time in the preseason. Still, it would surprise me if the Rams didn’t at least try out a fourth QB in the early days of camp.
Subtractions: None
Depth chart: Stafford, John Wolford, Bryce Perkins
Wolford again will enter training camp as the Rams’ clear No. 2 quarterback, but it’s still a big year for Perkins. He played nearly all of the preseason snaps (McVay does not play starters or key role players during that time) and impressed many within the organization and across the league — in part prompting the Rams to stash Perkins on the 53-man roster all year for fear he would not make it through waivers or be snatched off the practice squad. It’s always smart to be in the quarterback business, whether a team has a couple of good developing players or one is an attractive trade candidate for other teams.
Meanwhile, it’s important to remember that a Rams backup quarterback doesn’t play the same role many might expect of a reserve. Wolford runs the entirety of the scout team and the Rams, to my knowledge, have done so with live reps since 2020, in order to get the first-team defense its best look and keep those sessions competitive. Keeping Wolford speaks highly of his efforts in doing that, and less so about an emergency plan in case of an injury to a starter (Stafford, and previously Jared Goff, rarely miss any snaps).
2022 outlook: I think fans can be reasonably excited about a second year of Stafford in McVay’s offense. Staying healthy and minimizing turnovers will be the two biggest goals for Stafford to keep this high-powered offense evolving. Stafford threw 17 regular-season interceptions (tied for a league high), and the Rams’ ball security was particularly streaky through November.
Long-term outlook: The Rams extended Stafford, 34, this spring on a four-year, $160 million deal, and aligned other core contracts with his (including that of receiver Cooper Kupp and defensive lineman Aaron Donald, as well as with cornerback Jalen Ramsey’s current deal). It’s pretty clear that the timelines here reflect what the Rams feel can be their “winning” window (and perhaps will reflect McVay’s timeline before he takes the break many are expecting in the next few years).
July 25, 2022 at 6:00 pm #139793znModeratorNFL Quarterback Tiers 2022
<u>Mike Sando</u>Jul 25, 2022.It’s a new era for Quarterback Tiers as 50 NFL coaches and executives have shaken up the elite ranks for 2022, the ninth incarnation of my annual survey.Young guns Josh Allen, Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow have joined the Tier 1 ranks, while a couple big names are conspicuously missing — including a certain quarterback the Seattle Seahawks traded to the Denver Broncos in a blockbuster deal recasting expectations for both franchises.
The full 2022 Quarterback Tiers results are below for every veteran starter. The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department.
The panel placed 35 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution, beginning with Aaron Rodgers, whose 1.00 average vote reflected his status as a unanimous Tier 1 selection.
The survey excludes rookies because voters have not seen them play in the NFL. More than one quarterback is featured for teams with unsettled starting jobs.
TIER 1
A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.
1. Aaron Rodgers
Rodgers stands alone at the top, the eighth time in nine years of QB Tiers balloting that he finished no worse than tied for the top spot. He is the standard for Tier 1 quarterback play.“I can’t wait to rate him as a 2,” a defensive coordinator said. “That will be like the favorite day of my career.”
Rodgers through the years has received 401 votes in Tier 1, seven in Tier 2 and none lower than that. Some who placed him in Tier 2 previously repented in follow-up conversations.
“Where is the flaw?” a defensive coach asked. “He can make every throw, he has got command of things, he can read defenses, he is challenging to go against because of the mental part of it.”
This is the sixth time in nine years Rodgers was a unanimous Tier 1 choice.
“The smirk, the shoulder shrug, the command of hurry-up tempo in 2-minute, he’s got it all,” a coach said. “The head coach (Matt LaFleur) wants to run the field goal team on and Rodgers waves them off, calls another play, completes it to make the field goal try easier and burns enough time so the kickoff coverage team doesn’t have to run out there. The guy oozes Tier 1 in ways others QBs can only dream doing.”
Rodgers beats the competition in two categories multiple voters cited: the ability to elevate his weaponry and in how he not only outsmarts opponents, but relishes doing so.
“(Tom) Brady has had the more decorated career with 10 Super Bowls and seven rings, but I will say this,” an offensive coach said. “Aaron Rodgers has helped elevate every player on that offense. Brady with N’Keal Harry did not elevate his game. Aaron has had Davante Adams, but he is still waiting for a first-round receiver, they have not had great receivers overall and he is still putting up major numbers.”
As for showing up opponents, Rodgers owns the most condescending smirk in the game.
“It’s not enough to make a good read and see a coverage rotation and throw where he needs to throw,” a defensive coach said. “He wants you to know that he got you and look at the sideline with that smirk. He is outsmarting you … always trying to catch you in a blitz and throw a little smoke out, or whatever. He’s just an extreme challenge to go against, beyond any of these other guys that have talent.”
2. Patrick Mahomes
A single contrarian voter prevented Mahomes from tying Rodgers at the top. That voter, a veteran defensive play caller, thinks there were times last season when Mahomes failed to read defenses the way top-tier quarterbacks should.“We love Mahomes because of his unorthodox throws, not because of his natural pocket presence,” this voter said. “And when that disappears, that is when they lose games. I don’t think that is a 1. I think that is a 2. Nothing against the guy. I love the kid. But take his first read away and what does he do? He runs, he scrambles and he plays streetball.”
Mahomes during the past three seasons has commanded 149 Tier 1 votes, with just this single vote in Tier 2.
“This guy, he’s box office,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I mean, anybody would pay to watch Aaron Rodgers and him play. If you had the worst seat in the house, you would still go watch Patrick Mahomes play.”
Last season, defenses for the first time curtailed Mahomes’ ability to strike for explosive plays. The Chiefs gained more than 15 yards on 14.6% of Mahomes’ pass attempts where gains that long were possible. That ranked 19th among qualifying quarterbacks. Mahomes ranked first during the previous three seasons at 20.3%.
“If I’m playing the optimistic side, I say defenses caught up with them a little bit, they wanted a slow death and he was still on a throw-it-downfield mentality because he had 10 (Tyreek Hill),” an offensive coach said. “Without 10, he will dink and dunk, and they will coach him to that. He will complete so many balls this year because they will get his mind wired for that before the season. Moving Tyreek forced them to a mentality that they would have had to do anyway, and now it’s just easier. It is hard to sell that to a quarterback when you have 10 running around.”
A defensive coordinator said Hill was the No. 1 game-plan consideration when facing Kansas City, above Mahomes.
“It’s like they play NBA iso-ball and just try to get enough space for a matchup on (Travis) Kelce or a matchup on Tyreek,” another defensive play caller said. “If Mahomes has a quote-unquote flaw, I do not think he is the greatest at diagnosing, but he is so extremely talented with his arm, his release and the way that they run their offense, it is just pick your best matchup and go work that. If you’re a matchup-oriented team and you lose one of your top matchup guys like that, it is going to affect how you play. Maybe he has to adapt a little bit, but I think he has all the makeup to do it.”
3. Tom Brady
Quite a few voters think Brady, if isolated only for his on-field contributions, might now belong high in Tier 2. Only eight placed him there. The totality of what Brady provides is why only Rodgers and Mahomes stand above him heading toward Brady’s age-45 season.“Oh, Brady is a 1, 100 percent,” a quarterbacks coach said. “He can carry that offense. He is that offense. He has an all-star team around him, but just look at how that team oozes confidence now that they have 12 back and playing. They are a contender again this year, and it’s all because of having him and just his mindset. Can they protect him? That is going to be the big question.”
Brady last season started every game and led the NFL in pass completions, pass attempts, passing yards and passing touchdowns.
“You still have to give the dude a 1,” a defensive coordinator said. “He still has the physical skills, different than Peyton (Manning) at the end of his career. Tom is going to get you into the right plays and make the right decisions, and he can still throw it. He can win games.”
Pro Football Reference credited Brady with five game-winning drives last season, matching a career high.
“The playoff games were pretty good, but there were spells within those games where you go, ‘Ooooh,’ ” an evaluator said. “The Rams game, both games against New Orleans — certain teams know how to play him well, and he is not simply dicing up guys as much as you would think. He is still talented, but I think he has to have a full package to continue to sustain that success.”
Brady was second to Rodgers in Total QBR and in MVP balloting.
“The things that make him great aren’t going to age poorly — his command of everything, his knowledge and vision,” a defensive coach said. “But I do think there’s a wider arsenal of defenses available that are more effective against him. If you are just straight pressuring him, he’s going to murder you, and if you are just straight in coverages, he is going to murder you. We got him on some simulated pressures, which I think people are figuring out.”
4. Josh Allen
Allen surged into the top tier after narrowly missing last year. Tossing nine touchdown passes without an interception in playoff games against New England and Kansas City all but expunged from his record his playoff meltdown against Houston following the 2019 regular season.“He has proven that he can handle big moments,” a personnel director said. “He still throws interceptable balls, but he gives his guys opportunities to make plays, and nine times out of 10, they are making those plays. You can see the maturity. He used to make really egregious throws. It creeps in every now and again, but he is a big-time passer.”
Allen became the ninth player in QB Tiers’ nine-year history to command Tier 1 votes on at least 75% of ballots. Rodgers has done it nine times, followed by Brady (eight), Mahomes (four), Drew Brees (three), Russell Wilson (two), Peyton Manning (one) and Ben Roethlisberger (one).
“Josh Allen is a better version of Lamar (Jackson), and I love him as a football player,” a defensive coordinator said. “I still think he is erratic as a thrower and so he doesn’t scare me the same way Rodgers does. But he’s ascending.”
This voter had only three players in the top tier. Some voters are stricter than others with their Tier 1 interpretations. The group overwhelmingly placed Allen in Tier 1, behind the only active quarterbacks to win Super Bowls and MVPs.
“Some guys you’ve got to just give credit for being big, talented guys that can overcome a lot of stuff,” an evaluator said. “He may not be perfect, but he’s so big and so talented that he carries the team. He is a freak. He is not going to expertly handle pure-pass situations, but he doesn’t have to a lot of times. He may have five guys hanging on him and complete it anyway.”
One potential concern: Brian Daboll’s departure from the Bills as offensive coordinator.
“It will be interesting to me to see if that changes things, because I think Brian did a really good job,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “I think he controlled it as much as Josh did. I don’t want to say Josh is going to be on his own, but I’m not sure he totally has that command yet.”
5. Justin Herbert
Herbert joins a short list of quarterbacks to reach Tier 1 before age 25. Mahomes, Andrew Luck and Deshaun Watson did it after leading their teams to the postseason and winning there. Herbert pulled it off with a career 15-17 record as a starter and no postseason appearances.“Man, I was so impressed with him live,” an offensive coach said. “He has a chance to do something special. He’s the best pure thrower of the three young guys (Herbert, Allen, Burrow). I didn’t realize he was that athletic. One of our studs was chasing him down and he got around him and was laughing at him the whole time. The competitive spirit, the athletic ability, I saw a fricking stud in our game.”
Combine some of Burrow’s accuracy with some of Allen’s size/athleticism and you’ve got Herbert.
“I think he’s the next guy, he is on his way, because the thing with him is, he’s not quite the passer, but he’s kind of like a bigger version of Aaron Rodgers,” another voter said. “When we played them, I was like, ‘Damn, I didn’t know this dude could move that well or he was this accurate.’ Five, six, seven years down the road, I think Mahomes, Josh Allen and Justin Herbert will be the guys we’re talking about, the big three.”
No voter questioned whether Herbert could become a top-tier quarterback. Some did want to see him drive more team success before letting him borrow Dan Fouts’ gold jacket.
“It takes more time on task to truly be a top-tier guy,” a defensive coach said. “With those guys, it is like going to ‘Top Gun Maverick’ every single weekend because the stunts they pull are the equivalent of pulling 11 Gs and bending the air frame. It takes hours in that cockpit to operate that and not kill yourself and your team and crash the thing. When it is 17-0 at half, that is trying to land the thing in the Indian Ocean with 50 mph winds and 40-foot waves rocking the flight deck, and they manage to get it down or get it close.”
6. Joe Burrow
Burrow has started 26 regular-season games and four in the playoffs. He has made it through one season healthy. He also quarterbacked the Cincinnati Bengals to the Super Bowl after Vegas set Cincy’s win total at 6.5, fifth-lowest in the league. Voters love how he plays.“Burrow is a young Tom Brady,” said a GM who placed Allen and Burrow in the top tier, but not Herbert. “I think Herbert has shown he can do it in doses. Burrow is a step ahead. I think his mind is a lot quicker than Herbert’s. Burrow wins with his brain, and he has had to, because he played behind probably the worst offensive line ever to go to the Super Bowl.”
Burrow’s accuracy, calm under pressure and willingness to stand strong in the pocket even when he’s taking punishment has earned admirers.
“This league is in good hands with the quarterbacks right now, and they’re in good places, with (coaches) who like to throw the ball,” a head coach said. “These veteran guys know that these colleges are throwing the ball more and they had better maximize their abilities, man, or they ain’t going to be doing it long, because the colleges are putting out better guys right now.”
Any concerns on Burrow?
“He got fooled on that fourth down in the Super Bowl,” a quarterbacks coach said. “He predetermines a lot of his quick game. They’ll spread it out and try to show him the picture. When you can change the look for him, I think the kid locks in and some of these guys. Once you get a book on them a little bit, you can make these guys struggle a little. I’m not saying this is a guy you are going to take off the map. The kid is a competitor. I’m just saying he clearly predetermines some things and until he grows out of that, he is a good 2 for me.”
A head coach who placed Burrow in Tier 1 explained that Burrow’s poor offensive line was a contributing factor.
“Joe reminds me of the West Coast Offense quarterbacks you always were looking for with the anticipation, instincts, ball accuracy, throwing guys open,” another head coach said. “You just don’t see that at a very young age coming out, and I’m talking particularly from the drop-back phase. I’m a Joe Burrow fan. I’d put a 1 on him.”
TIER 2
A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.
7. Matthew Stafford
Stafford commanded 18 Tier 1 votes, up from four last year. He remained seventh in the rankings because, while Stafford overtook Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson this year, he watched Herbert and Burrow race past him. Still, the 1.68 average for Stafford marked a Tiers-era best for him. He now stands about where he did heading into the 2018 season, after four seasons with Jim Caldwell.“I think it’s fascinating,” an offensive coach said. “The whole thing with Stafford, you just felt like here is a guy with all the talent in the world and you get him into a situation with a good staff, a good team, and there’s some consistency there. I certainly was not surprised with how he performed. Any time the head coach is the play caller and you get some chemistry and are on the same page, that’s a huge, huge advantage.”
Stafford might have threatened the top tier if he hadn’t faltered later in the regular season as the Rams, thrilled to have a capable veteran quarterback, leaned into a dropback pass offense to a degree that seemed excessive, perhaps exposing Stafford’s upper limits. One voter cited those limits as his reason for not pushing Stafford into Tier 1.
“Run it, play defense and have a Tier 2 quarterback, you will win a lot of games with that,” a head coach said.
The 2021 Rams averaged 10.5 expected points added (EPA) per game on defense and special teams in the playoffs. That’s the fourth-best average among the past 20 Super Bowl winners, according to TruMedia. The Rams’ offense lost 2.5 EPA per game in the playoffs, second-worst among the past 20 Super Bowl winners. So, yes, it’s a team game. A good team helped Stafford after bad Detroit teams dragged him down for years.
“He still to this day has the best arm I’ve been around or seen,” a voter who was with Stafford in Detroit said. “Whether it’s with a system that suits him and a good partnership with the head coach and all that, a Super Bowl ring gets you an upgrade in my book.”
July 25, 2022 at 11:16 pm #139804znModeratorJuly 25, 2022 at 11:26 pm #139806znModeratorUnderdog NFL@Underdog__NFLNo QB threw more pass attempts to WRs inside their opponent’s 10-yard line last season than Matthew Stafford (39), according to @SportsInfo_SIS. Allen Robinson ranked top-6 in contested catches among WRs in 3 of the last 4 seasons, per @PFF.July 27, 2022 at 12:43 am #139818znModerator"That is some disrespect. Matthew Stafford — tier 2?" @ColinCowherd defends the Rams' QB pic.twitter.com/dxUVJpooFW
— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) July 25, 2022
July 27, 2022 at 6:17 pm #139827ZooeyModerator“That is some disrespect. Matthew Stafford — tier 2?”
I don’t think there has ever been this many really good QBs in the league at the same time.
July 30, 2022 at 1:08 pm #139875znModeratorI don’t think there has ever been this many really good QBs in the league at the same time.
Yeah there’s something to that isn’t there.
Even though they lost a few in recent years too. Going back to 2020: Eli, Brees, Roethlisberger, Luck, Rivers. Along with some “perpetual #2s who started sometimes” like McCown, Fitzpatrick, and Smith.
July 30, 2022 at 2:49 pm #139877ZooeyModeratorI don’t think there has ever been this many really good QBs in the league at the same time.
Yeah there’s something to that isn’t there. Even though they lost a few in recent years too. Going back to 2020: Eli, Brees, Roethlisberger, Luck, Rivers. Along with some “perpetual #2s who started sometimes” like McCown, Fitzpatrick, and Smith.
It just feels like there are 10 or 12 guys who are good enough to elevate a team with flaws to win the Super Bowl.
And another half dozen who are as good as most of the Super Bowl winners. And another half dozen who are better than Trent Dilfer.
It just looks like there are a lot of really good teams right now. This is going to be a quality year of football.
August 22, 2022 at 10:44 am #140217znModeratorfrom https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/22/rams-matthew-stafford-nfl-top-100-players-list-ranking/
One year with the Rams was also all it took for Stafford to crack the top 30 on the NFL’s annual list of the 100 best players in the NFL. The rankings are being revealed little by little, and on Sunday night, Stafford’s name popped up.
He was voted the 27th-best player in the NFL entering 2022, the highest ranking of his career. His previous best was No. 31 in 2017 and 2018. Last year, Stafford was ranked outside the top 100, which just goes to show what the 2021 season did for him.
August 22, 2022 at 8:17 pm #140230znModeratorESPN ranks Matthew Stafford top-10 in accuracy, mechanics, field vision, etc. https://t.co/mjVnjq2Iox
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NFL Quarterback Council 2022: Ranking the top 10 QBs in arm strength, accuracy, decision-making, rushing ability, more
Arm strength
This category is all about the biggest arms in the NFL. Pass velocity and the amount of zip a QB can put on a pass were factors in the ranking, as was the ability to hit the deep ball. Who are the best quarterbacks throwing the ball vertically and driving it into tight windows with authority?
1. Josh Allen, Bills
2. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
3. Justin Herbert, Chargers
4. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
5. Matthew Stafford, Rams
6. Russell Wilson, Broncos
7. Kyler Murray, Cardinals
8. Derek Carr, Raiders
9. Dak Prescott, Cowboys
10. Deshaun Watson, BrownsAccuracy
Arm strength doesn’t mean much if you can’t perfectly put the ball where it needs to go. Who can hit the tightest windows? Who locates their passes in the perfect spots? And who is never off target with their throws, displaying pinpoint precision?
1. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
2. Tom Brady, Buccaneers
3. Joe Burrow, Bengals
4. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
5. Justin Herbert, Chargers
6. Matthew Stafford, Rams
7. Kyler Murray, Cardinals
8. Russell Wilson, Broncos
9. Derek Carr, Raiders
10. Deshaun Watson, BrownsTouch
It’s not only about pass velocity or placement. How it gets there is also key. Successful quarterbacks need to master trajectory, whether it’s fitting the ball in a tight spot with zip or softly dropping it in over a receiver’s shoulder. They also need to throw with anticipation, leading a receiver into the catch and navigating defensive coverages.
T-1. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
T-1. Tom Brady, Buccaneers
3. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
4. Joe Burrow, Bengals
5. Russell Wilson, Broncos
6. Matthew Stafford, Rams
7. Kirk Cousins, Vikings
8. Justin Herbert, Chargers
9. Dak Prescott, Cowboys
10. Kyler Murray, CardinalsMechanics
In today’s NFL, quarterbacks have so many different throwing motions. But mechanics are still a big part of success. That includes a QB’s throwing motion, arm slot, release, follow-through and footwork, among other traits. Who are the most technically sound signal-callers in the league?
1. Tom Brady, Buccaneers
2. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
3. Joe Burrow, Bengals
4. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
5. Matthew Stafford, Rams
6. Justin Herbert, Chargers
7. Josh Allen, Bills
8. Russell Wilson, Broncos
9. Matt Ryan, Colts
10. Dak Prescott, CowboysField vision
This looks at the ability to read the field. Included in that are awareness and recognition when it comes to seeing defensive schemes or coverages, along with the fast eyes to identify blitzers, breaking defensive backs and open targets. Will a QB audible out when he needs to, diagnosing and understanding different defensive looks? And how quickly can he get through his progressions? Does he get stuck on his first read too often and stare down receivers, making it easy for the defense? Or can he scan the field, make the defense bite with his eyes and then find the open receiver?
1. Tom Brady, Buccaneers
2. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
3. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
4. Joe Burrow, Bengals
5. Justin Herbert, Chargers
6. Josh Allen, Bills
7. Matthew Stafford, Rams
8. Dak Prescott, Cowboys
9. Matt Ryan, Colts
10. Deshaun Watson, BrownsCompete level
The words that come to mind with this category are competitiveness and leadership. Who has the most desire to win? It also speaks to a quarterback’s command of his offense and his ability to deliver in the clutch. You can never count out the players who made this top 10.
1. Tom Brady, Buccaneers
2. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
3. Josh Allen, Bills
4. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
5. Joe Burrow, Bengals
6. Matthew Stafford, Rams
7. Lamar Jackson, Ravens
8. Russell Wilson, Broncos
9. Justin Herbert, Chargers
10. Dak Prescott, CowboysToughness
Toughness rolls into compete level a bit, but our analysts looked at a quarterback’s bounce-back and resilience here, along with how well he can take a hit. Physicality is the big trait in this section.
1. Josh Allen, Bills
2. Lamar Jackson, Ravens
3. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
4. Matthew Stafford, Rams
5. Joe Burrow, Bengals
6. Russell Wilson, Broncos
7. Tom Brady, Buccaneers
8. Justin Herbert, Chargers
9. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
10. Dak Prescott, CowboysPocket presence
Pocket presence refers to how a quarterback operates in the pocket. Some things our analysts looked at here include: ability to sense and avoid pressure, command and mobility within the pocket, calmness under duress and how a QB gets it done from both under center and shotgun formations.
1. Tom Brady, Buccaneers
2. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
3. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
4. Joe Burrow, Bengals
5. Josh Allen, Bills
6. Justin Herbert, Chargers
7. Dak Prescott, Cowboys
8. Matthew Stafford, Rams
9. Matt Ryan, Colts
10. Lamar Jackson, RavensAugust 23, 2022 at 1:22 am #140225wvParticipantfrom https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/22/rams-matthew-stafford-nfl-top-100-players-list-ranking/ One year with the Rams was also all it took for Stafford to crack the top 30 on the NFL’s annual list of the 100 best players in the NFL. The rankings are being revealed little by little, and on Sunday night, Stafford’s name popped up. He was voted the 27th-best player in the NFL entering 2022, the highest ranking of his career. His previous best was No. 31 in 2017 and 2018. Last year, Stafford was ranked outside the top 100, which just goes to show what the 2021 season did for him.
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Wow. 27. I am surprised. I would have him WAY higher. Top ten, easily, for me.
Do people not watch 4th Quarters?
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August 23, 2022 at 1:40 am #140237znModeratorDo people not watch 4th Quarters?
On another board, years ago back in the days when everyone defended Goff no matter what, which came before the later days where many attacked him no matter what, I was once in a debate about 4th quarter comebacks. At that time Goff did not have that many with the Rams (though he did at Cal). It was early in his career. 2017 I think. So one thing that got said was, we’ll get a better sense of him when has more of them. That got taken in that time as attacking Goff (which, remember, was at a time when you weren’t “supposed to.”) The main argument against this imagined slight was that 4th quarter comebacks aren’t really important. I chimed in and said yes they are–a good team will play other good teams, and scores will often be close, so you want a qb who is good in that situation–and when Goff gets more of those it will be a good thing. Since that was taken as slamming Goff (at a time when you weren’t supposed to do that), the comment attracted all sorts of heat. Melee weapons were used. Longbowmen showered the world with arrows. (Persians to the Spartans at Thermopylae: our arrows will darken the sun. Spartan response: then we will fight in the shade.) The idea that 4th quarter comebacks mean anything got angrily dismissed.
Now years later no one complains about Stafford’s 4th quarter comebacks. 😎
I certainly don’t. I have long since thought 4th quarter comebacks were one of the keys to measuring a qb’s greatness.
August 23, 2022 at 10:30 am #140238ZooeyModeratorI don’t know why I bother reading this board when people make claims like, Stafford is so good, he would perform well under fire from archers.
You guys know nothing about football.
The Spartans were annihilated, btw. The Persians sent pressure around the flank and collapsed the pocket from behind.
August 23, 2022 at 1:55 pm #140239wvParticipantI wonder how the Rams would have done if they had had Stafford in Super Bowl 53 ?
Rams were 13-3
Pats were 11-5
Goff was 19 for 38 for 198 yards. Sacked 4 times. 1 INT.
Rams only had 62 yards rushing. (Have the Rams ‘ever’ had a good rushing game in a super bowl?)
Rams had 9 penalties, Pats had 3.
Pats had 407 total yards, Rams had 260.
August 23, 2022 at 2:17 pm #140240ZooeyModeratorI wonder how the Rams would have done if they had had Stafford in Super Bowl 53 ? Rams were 13-3 Pats were 11-5 Goff was 19 for 38 for 198 yards. Sacked 4 times. 1 INT. Rams only had 62 yards rushing. (Have the Rams ‘ever’ had a good rushing game in a super bowl?) Rams had 9 penalties, Pats had 3. Pats had 407 total yards, Rams had 260.
Dunno. I will always believe they would have won if they had Kupp, though.
August 23, 2022 at 3:01 pm #140241znModeratorThe Persians sent pressure around the flank and collapsed the pocket from behind.
But they had to cheat to do it. So it really doesn’t count.
August 24, 2022 at 4:33 am #140249znModeratorAfter making the NFL’s Top 100 Players of 2022 list at No. 27, several players from around the league shared what makes Stafford so good. Check out the full video here.
Cooper Kupp: “You talk about being reactive as a quarterback, you take what the defense gives you. They say it all the time. I think a lot of times, he says, ‘Screw that, I’m gonna take what I want.’ What he does with his eyes and manipulating defenses, ‘I’m gonna move this guy and throw where I want,’ that I think is a special trait of his.”
Tyrann Mathieu: “Man, Stafford is so underrated from just a pure talent perspective. All the side-arm throws and the no-look passes, he’s been doing those things.”
Chester Rogers: “I think he’s been a top-five quarterback since he’s been in the league, he’s just been in Detroit. Now he’s in L.A., he’s shining.”
Lavonte David: “It was kind of like night-and-day from what they had before to what they’ve got now with him. 30-something seconds left, for him to keep his poise and not settle to go to overtime, that’s why you’ve got a guy like him. He got them to the Super Bowl, he made plays when they needed him to make plays.”
Chandler Jones: “His quarterback vision is tremendous. He has a timer in his head that is tremendous.”
August 27, 2022 at 9:13 am #140305znModeratorMatthew Stafford is the only QB in NFL history with 6,000 Pass Yards, 50 Pass TD and a Super Bowl win in a single regular + postseason. pic.twitter.com/NF5wSc3BDo
— NFL on CBS 🏈 (@NFLonCBS) August 26, 2022
August 27, 2022 at 10:10 am #140307Billy_TParticipantThe Persians sent pressure around the flank and collapsed the pocket from behind.
But they had to cheat to do it. So it really doesn’t count.
Everyone knows the Persians had cameras inside wooden horses at all the Spartan practices, but the Pan-Hellenic League covered it up for years. And one of the Spartans gave the Persians the game plan. Kurtius Wagnericles and Leonidas Martzia really never had a chance.
August 27, 2022 at 6:27 pm #140309wvParticipantThose quotes are right-on.
What Kupp says about “screw that, I’m gonna take what i want” is what most of us call the ‘gunslinger’ approach. The Brett Favre approach.
It worked last year. Got them a ring. It wont always work, obviously.
Lavonte David’s quote is interesting, isnt it. “night and day” between Goff and Stafford?
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Cooper Kupp: “You talk about being reactive as a quarterback, you take what the defense gives you. They say it all the time. I think a lot of times, he says, ‘Screw that, I’m gonna take what I want.’ What he does with his eyes and manipulating defenses, ‘I’m gonna move this guy and throw where I want,’ that I think is a special trait of his.”
Tyrann Mathieu: “Man, Stafford is so underrated from just a pure talent perspective. All the side-arm throws and the no-look passes, he’s been doing those things.”
Chester Rogers: “I think he’s been a top-five quarterback since he’s been in the league, he’s just been in Detroit. Now he’s in L.A., he’s shining.”
Lavonte David: “It was kind of like night-and-day from what they had before to what they’ve got now with him. 30-something seconds left, for him to keep his poise and not settle to go to overtime, that’s why you’ve got a guy like him. He got them to the Super Bowl, he made plays when they needed him to make plays.”
Chandler Jones: “His quarterback vision is tremendous. He has a timer in his head that is tremendous.”
September 7, 2022 at 2:28 am #140468znModerator#27 Matthew Stafford (QB, Rams) | Top 100 Players in 2022
September 7, 2022 at 11:14 am #140479znModeratorfrom THE RINGER’S 2022 QB RANKINGS
September 12, 2022 at 11:12 am #140557znModeratorNFL Quarterback Tiers 2022: Allen, Herbert and Burrow Make Tier 1 Debuts
.It’s a new era for Quarterback Tiers as 50 NFL coaches and executives have shaken up the elite ranks for 2022, the ninth incarnation of my annual survey.
Young guns Josh Allen, Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow have joined the Tier 1 ranks, while a couple big names are conspicuously missing — including a certain quarterback the Seattle Seahawks traded to the Denver Broncos in a blockbuster deal recasting expectations for both franchises.
The full 2022 Quarterback Tiers results are below for every veteran starter. The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department.The panel placed 35 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were then ranked by average vote and placed into tiers based on vote distribution, beginning with Aaron Rodgers, whose 1.00 average vote reflected his status as a unanimous Tier 1 selection.
The survey excludes rookies because voters have not seen them play in the NFL. More than one quarterback is featured for teams with unsettled starting jobs.
TIER 1
A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.
1. Aaron Rodgers
Rodgers stands alone at the top, the eighth time in nine years of QB Tiers balloting that he finished no worse than tied for the top spot. He is the standard for Tier 1 quarterback play.
“I can’t wait to rate him as a 2,” a defensive coordinator said. “That will be like the favorite day of my career.”
Rodgers through the years has received 401 votes in Tier 1, seven in Tier 2 and none lower than that. Some who placed him in Tier 2 previously repented in follow-up conversations.
“Where is the flaw?” a defensive coach asked. “He can make every throw, he has got command of things, he can read defenses, he is challenging to go against because of the mental part of it.”
This is the sixth time in nine years Rodgers was a unanimous Tier 1 choice.
“The smirk, the shoulder shrug, the command of hurry-up tempo in 2-minute, he’s got it all,” a coach said. “The head coach (Matt LaFleur) wants to run the field goal team on and Rodgers waves them off, calls another play, completes it to make the field goal try easier and burns enough time so the kickoff coverage team doesn’t have to run out there. The guy oozes Tier 1 in ways others QBs can only dream doing.”Rodgers beats the competition in two categories multiple voters cited: the ability to elevate his weaponry and in how he not only outsmarts opponents, but relishes doing so.
“(Tom) Brady has had the more decorated career with 10 Super Bowls and seven rings, but I will say this,” an offensive coach said. “Aaron Rodgers has helped elevate every player on that offense. Brady with N’Keal Harry did not elevate his game. Aaron has had Davante Adams, but he is still waiting for a first-round receiver, they have not had great receivers overall and he is still putting up major numbers.”
As for showing up opponents, Rodgers owns the most condescending smirk in the game.
“It’s not enough to make a good read and see a coverage rotation and throw where he needs to throw,” a defensive coach said. “He wants you to know that he got you and look at the sideline with that smirk. He is outsmarting you … always trying to catch you in a blitz and throw a little smoke out, or whatever. He’s just an extreme challenge to go against, beyond any of these other guys that have talent.”
2. Patrick Mahomes
A single contrarian voter prevented Mahomes from tying Rodgers at the top. That voter, a veteran defensive play caller, thinks there were times last season when Mahomes failed to read defenses the way top-tier quarterbacks should.
“We love Mahomes because of his unorthodox throws, not because of his natural pocket presence,” this voter said. “And when that disappears, that is when they lose games. I don’t think that is a 1. I think that is a 2. Nothing against the guy. I love the kid. But take his first read away and what does he do? He runs, he scrambles and he plays streetball.”
Mahomes during the past three seasons has commanded 149 Tier 1 votes, with just this single vote in Tier 2.“This guy, he’s box office,” a quarterbacks coach said. “I mean, anybody would pay to watch Aaron Rodgers and him play. If you had the worst seat in the house, you would still go watch Patrick Mahomes play.”
Last season, defenses for the first time curtailed Mahomes’ ability to strike for explosive plays. The Chiefs gained more than 15 yards on 14.6% of Mahomes’ pass attempts where gains that long were possible. That ranked 19th among qualifying quarterbacks. Mahomes ranked first during the previous three seasons at 20.3%.
“If I’m playing the optimistic side, I say defenses caught up with them a little bit, they wanted a slow death and he was still on a throw-it-downfield mentality because he had 10 (Tyreek Hill),” an offensive coach said. “Without 10, he will dink and dunk, and they will coach him to that. He will complete so many balls this year because they will get his mind wired for that before the season. Moving Tyreek forced them to a mentality that they would have had to do anyway, and now it’s just easier. It is hard to sell that to a quarterback when you have 10 running around.”
A defensive coordinator said Hill was the No. 1 game-plan consideration when facing Kansas City, above Mahomes.
“It’s like they play NBA iso-ball and just try to get enough space for a matchup on (Travis) Kelce or a matchup on Tyreek,” another defensive play caller said. “If Mahomes has a quote-unquote flaw, I do not think he is the greatest at diagnosing, but he is so extremely talented with his arm, his release and the way that they run their offense, it is just pick your best matchup and go work that. If you’re a matchup-oriented team and you lose one of your top matchup guys like that, it is going to affect how you play. Maybe he has to adapt a little bit, but I think he has all the makeup to do it.”
3. Tom Brady
Quite a few voters think Brady, if isolated only for his on-field contributions, might now belong high in Tier 2. Only eight placed him there. The totality of what Brady provides is why only Rodgers and Mahomes stand above him heading toward Brady’s age-45 season.
“Oh, Brady is a 1, 100 percent,” a quarterbacks coach said. “He can carry that offense. He is that offense. He has an all-star team around him, but just look at how that team oozes confidence now that they have 12 back and playing. They are a contender again this year, and it’s all because of having him and just his mindset. Can they protect him? That is going to be the big question.”
Brady last season started every game and led the NFL in pass completions, pass attempts, passing yards and passing touchdowns.
“You still have to give the dude a 1,” a defensive coordinator said. “He still has the physical skills, different than Peyton (Manning) at the end of his career. Tom is going to get you into the right plays and make the right decisions, and he can still throw it. He can win games.”
Pro Football Reference credited Brady with five game-winning drives last season, matching a career high.
“The playoff games were pretty good, but there were spells within those games where you go, ‘Ooooh,’ ” an evaluator said. “The Rams game, both games against New Orleans — certain teams know how to play him well, and he is not simply dicing up guys as much as you would think. He is still talented, but I think he has to have a full package to continue to sustain that success.”
Brady was second to Rodgers in Total QBR and in MVP balloting.
“The things that make him great aren’t going to age poorly — his command of everything, his knowledge and vision,” a defensive coach said. “But I do think there’s a wider arsenal of defenses available that are more effective against him. If you are just straight pressuring him, he’s going to murder you, and if you are just straight in coverages, he is going to murder you. We got him on some simulated pressures, which I think people are figuring out.”
4. Josh Allen
Allen surged into the top tier after narrowly missing last year. Tossing nine touchdown passes without an interception in playoff games against New England and Kansas City all but expunged from his record his playoff meltdown against Houston following the 2019 regular season.
“He has proven that he can handle big moments,” a personnel director said. “He still throws interceptable balls, but he gives his guys opportunities to make plays, and nine times out of 10, they are making those plays. You can see the maturity. He used to make really egregious throws. It creeps in every now and again, but he is a big-time passer.”
Allen became the ninth player in QB Tiers’ nine-year history to command Tier 1 votes on at least 75% of ballots. Rodgers has done it nine times, followed by Brady (eight), Mahomes (four), Drew Brees (three), Russell Wilson (two), Peyton Manning (one) and Ben Roethlisberger (one).
“Josh Allen is a better version of Lamar (Jackson), and I love him as a football player,” a defensive coordinator said. “I still think he is erratic as a thrower and so he doesn’t scare me the same way Rodgers does. But he’s ascending.”
This voter had only three players in the top tier. Some voters are stricter than others with their Tier 1 interpretations. The group overwhelmingly placed Allen in Tier 1, behind the only active quarterbacks to win Super Bowls and MVPs.
“Some guys you’ve got to just give credit for being big, talented guys that can overcome a lot of stuff,” an evaluator said. “He may not be perfect, but he’s so big and so talented that he carries the team. He is a freak. He is not going to expertly handle pure-pass situations, but he doesn’t have to a lot of times. He may have five guys hanging on him and complete it anyway.”
One potential concern: Brian Daboll’s departure from the Bills as offensive coordinator.
“It will be interesting to me to see if that changes things, because I think Brian did a really good job,” a defensive coach from the AFC East said. “I think he controlled it as much as Josh did. I don’t want to say Josh is going to be on his own, but I’m not sure he totally has that command yet.”
5. Justin Herbert
Herbert joins a short list of quarterbacks to reach Tier 1 before age 25. Mahomes, Andrew Luck and Deshaun Watson did it after leading their teams to the postseason and winning there. Herbert pulled it off with a career 15-17 record as a starter and no postseason appearances.
“Man, I was so impressed with him live,” an offensive coach said. “He has a chance to do something special. He’s the best pure thrower of the three young guys (Herbert, Allen, Burrow). I didn’t realize he was that athletic. One of our studs was chasing him down and he got around him and was laughing at him the whole time. The competitive spirit, the athletic ability, I saw a fricking stud in our game.”
Combine some of Burrow’s accuracy with some of Allen’s size/athleticism and you’ve got Herbert.
“I think he’s the next guy, he is on his way, because the thing with him is, he’s not quite the passer, but he’s kind of like a bigger version of Aaron Rodgers,” another voter said. “When we played them, I was like, ‘Damn, I didn’t know this dude could move that well or he was this accurate.’ Five, six, seven years down the road, I think Mahomes, Josh Allen and Justin Herbert will be the guys we’re talking about, the big three.”
No voter questioned whether Herbert could become a top-tier quarterback. Some did want to see him drive more team success before letting him borrow Dan Fouts’ gold jacket.
“It takes more time on task to truly be a top-tier guy,” a defensive coach said. “With those guys, it is like going to ‘Top Gun Maverick’ every single weekend because the stunts they pull are the equivalent of pulling 11 Gs and bending the air frame. It takes hours in that cockpit to operate that and not kill yourself and your team and crash the thing. When it is 17-0 at half, that is trying to land the thing in the Indian Ocean with 50 mph winds and 40-foot waves rocking the flight deck, and they manage to get it down or get it close.”
6. Joe Burrow
Burrow has started 26 regular-season games and four in the playoffs. He has made it through one season healthy. He also quarterbacked the Cincinnati Bengals to the Super Bowl after Vegas set Cincy’s win total at 6.5, fifth-lowest in the league. Voters love how he plays.
“Burrow is a young Tom Brady,” said a GM who placed Allen and Burrow in the top tier, but not Herbert. “I think Herbert has shown he can do it in doses. Burrow is a step ahead. I think his mind is a lot quicker than Herbert’s. Burrow wins with his brain, and he has had to, because he played behind probably the worst offensive line ever to go to the Super Bowl.”
Burrow’s accuracy, calm under pressure and willingness to stand strong in the pocket even when he’s taking punishment has earned admirers.
“This league is in good hands with the quarterbacks right now, and they’re in good places, with (coaches) who like to throw the ball,” a head coach said. “These veteran guys know that these colleges are throwing the ball more and they had better maximize their abilities, man, or they ain’t going to be doing it long, because the colleges are putting out better guys right now.”
Any concerns on Burrow?
“He got fooled on that fourth down in the Super Bowl,” a quarterbacks coach said. “He predetermines a lot of his quick game. They’ll spread it out and try to show him the picture. When you can change the look for him, I think the kid locks in and some of these guys. Once you get a book on them a little bit, you can make these guys struggle a little. I’m not saying this is a guy you are going to take off the map. The kid is a competitor. I’m just saying he clearly predetermines some things and until he grows out of that, he is a good 2 for me.”
A head coach who placed Burrow in Tier 1 explained that Burrow’s poor offensive line was a contributing factor.
“Joe reminds me of the West Coast Offense quarterbacks you always were looking for with the anticipation, instincts, ball accuracy, throwing guys open,” another head coach said. “You just don’t see that at a very young age coming out, and I’m talking particularly from the drop-back phase. I’m a Joe Burrow fan. I’d put a 1 on him.”
TIER 2
A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.
7. Matthew Stafford
Stafford commanded 18 Tier 1 votes, up from four last year. He remained seventh in the rankings because, while Stafford overtook Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson this year, he watched Herbert and Burrow race past him. Still, the 1.68 average for Stafford marked a Tiers-era best for him. He now stands about where he did heading into the 2018 season, after four seasons with Jim Caldwell.
“I think it’s fascinating,” an offensive coach said. “The whole thing with Stafford, you just felt like here is a guy with all the talent in the world and you get him into a situation with a good staff, a good team, and there’s some consistency there. I certainly was not surprised with how he performed. Any time the head coach is the play caller and you get some chemistry and are on the same page, that’s a huge, huge advantage.”
Stafford might have threatened the top tier if he hadn’t faltered later in the regular season as the Rams, thrilled to have a capable veteran quarterback, leaned into a dropback pass offense to a degree that seemed excessive, perhaps exposing Stafford’s upper limits. One voter cited those limits as his reason for not pushing Stafford into Tier 1.
“Run it, play defense and have a Tier 2 quarterback, you will win a lot of games with that,” a head coach said.
The 2021 Rams averaged 10.5 expected points added (EPA) per game on defense and special teams in the playoffs. That’s the fourth-best average among the past 20 Super Bowl winners, according to TruMedia. The Rams’ offense lost 2.5 EPA per game in the playoffs, second-worst among the past 20 Super Bowl winners. So, yes, it’s a team game. A good team helped Stafford after bad Detroit teams dragged him down for years.
“He still to this day has the best arm I’ve been around or seen,” a voter who was with Stafford in Detroit said. “Whether it’s with a system that suits him and a good partnership with the head coach and all that, a Super Bowl ring gets you an upgrade in my book.”
September 24, 2022 at 10:28 am #140785ZooeyModeratorBy JB Scott Sep 21, 2022, 9:01am CDT
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Winning on a consistent basis is one of the most difficult outcomes to attain in the National Football League.
Before the Los Angeles Rams hired Sean McVay in 2017, they were an outright losing franchise. In the ten years that preceded the McVay-era, the Rams had a combined record of 46-113-1 – worse than even the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, and Jacksonville Jaguars.
This demonstrates just how high the stakes were when Los Angeles made the decision to trade quarterback Jared Goff to the Lions, a player they had drafted with the first overall selection in 2016 and who they had won 42 games over his last four seasons with the team.
Yes, Matthew Stafford was an upgrade over Goff at the time of the trade – and he likely still is the better player now; however, the Rams have changed significantly since Stafford’s arrival.
A lack of complementary football
McVay’s Rams weren’t necessarily a run-heavy team prior to Stafford coming to LA, but they were effective and used the ground game to set up downfield shots on play action. Wide zone concepts were LA’s bread and butter, and the rest of the offense was built around them.
But Todd Gurley’s knee fell apart years before Goff left town, and the Rams never really replaced him. Darrell Henderson is effective at times, but he’s also injury prone and not someone who can serve as a workhorse back. Cam Akers showed incredible promise as a rookie before tearing his Achilles prior to his sophomore campaign – he’s yet to return to form in a meaningful way. Sony Michel was probably the team’s best back last year, but he is now playing for the cross-town Los Angeles Chargers.
One of the main promises of the Rams trading for Stafford was that they’d make his life easier, especially by complementing him with a robust ground attack. More than a year after the quarterback swap, Los Angeles has not lived up to that promise.
In the 166 games Stafford played as a Lion, the offense featured a 100-yard rusher in only 11 contests.
The Rams created an environment that only produced a 100-yard rusher in 2 of the team’s 21 games in 2021 – both by Michel. LA’s run game struggled throughout the playoffs and still has not taken off in 2022.
The concern is that a lack of run game puts too much pressure on Stafford, who has been forced to shoulder more than his fair share of the offensive load over his 14-year career. While he’s proven capable as a high-volume passer, it also does not help him minimize the head-scratching mistakes that have seemingly followed him from his days in Detroit.
Striking a balance between aggression and game management
Stafford often gets a pass on his turnovers because he is capable of making high-end throws that other NFL-caliber quarterbacks are not able to convert. He also had to be the best player almost every game in his time with the Lions, so sometimes taking a back seat and acting as a game manager seems difficult for him.
But with a star-studding cast surrounding him in Los Angeles, Stafford doesn’t need to be the best player on the field. Yes, the Rams brought him in because of his unique arm strength and to re-instate a downfield element in their passing attack; however, each careless mistake Stafford makes with the football puts more strain on the other stars to make up for it.
Sure, in the games where Stafford struggles the Rams have Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Bobby Wagner, and others that can help slow down the opposing offense. The defense played a key role in certain games where this was the case last year – such as the contests against the Minnesota Vikings, in Super Bowl LVI versus the Cincinnati Bengals, and in Week 17 against the Baltimore Ravens. Stafford had three turnovers versus the Vikings and Ravens, and threw two interceptions in the biggest game of his career.
Flat out – we should expect more from a 14-year NFL veteran. A bad year for Aaron Rodgers in terms of interceptions barely dips him into the double digits. The most interceptions Russell Wilson ever threw with the Seattle Seahawks in a single season was 13. Stafford’s rival as the best QB in the NFC West would be Kyler Murray, but his highest interception total in only 12 in his first three seasons as a full-time starter.
Stafford has season interception totals of 20 (‘09), 19 (‘13), 17 (‘12, ‘21,) and 16 (‘11). Through 2 games in 2022, the veteran signal caller already has accumulated 5 picks – despite being one of the least aggressive quarterbacks so far this season.
It’s common for the good to outweigh the bad with Stafford, but it’s certainly not wise to be content with such a high-volume of turnovers. It’s very possible that the overall quality of the Rams’ roster peaked with the Super Bowl team in 2021, so this is important to monitor as the roster potentially deteriorates moving forward.
Sticking to the winning formula
In just the last handful of games, we’ve seen the Rams perform a disappearing act on sizeable leads twice.
Fumbles by Akers and Cooper Kupp and mental lapses by the defense allowed Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to storm back in the NFC divisional round. A late zero blitz by the Bucs and a streaking Kupp allowed the Rams to kick the winning field goal.
Just three games later Los Angeles had a 28-3 lead before interceptions by Stafford, a blocked punt for a touchdown, and a Kupp fumble gave the Atlanta Falcons life late. If the Falcons had a better quarterback than Marcus Mariota on the opposing sideline, this game easily could have ended up in the loss column for LA.
We aren’t used to seeing these kinds of mistakes from a McVay-led football team. His record with a lead a halftime is the definitive example of this – he won 45 straight games until the San Francisco 49ers broke his streak in Week 18 last season. Stafford threw two interceptions in that divisional contest.
The margin for error is so slim in the NFL, and being careless with the football only shrinks that margin further.
Where do things go from here?
It’s unknown how much Stafford’s lingering elbow injury factors into his worse-than-expected performance so far in 2022.
LA signed the QB to a contract extension that will keep him with the team through the 2026 season at an average price tag of $40M per year. The Rams entered into the extension with full knowledge of Stafford’s elbow concerns.
I wrote early in 2022 that Los Angeles should not extend Stafford with one caveat – that the team won the Super Bowl. The Rams had to reward their quarterback for helping get them over the hump, but it doesn’t change the fact he’s still an inherently risky player.
How long can the veteran expect to maintain his high-octane arm strength, and do the concerns regarding his turnovers heighten as his skills diminish?
The bottom line is that this is probably the best supporting cast that Stafford will have during his remaining time with the team – there will always be opportunity costs and trade-offs in regards to the team build when you are paying a QB $40M a year. Stafford has not lived up to his billing so far in 2022, but it’s a long season and there’s plenty of time to turn things around.
This is the moment for Stafford to play like a 14-year NFL veteran and minimize the head-scratching mistakes – giving his team the best chance to win in the process. The Rams could make life easier for their signal caller by developing a robust rushing attack and taking weight off of Stafford’s shoulders, but with the regular season underway it may be too late to find outside help.
The inability to play complementary football, making mistakes uncharacteristic of a long-term NFL veterans, and mental errors that prevent you from closing out games are all attributes of a losing team.
If the Rams underperform this year, it’s time to question whether they are fast becoming the Detroit Lions – thanks mostly in part to their franchise quarterback.
September 24, 2022 at 11:13 am #140789znModeratorThe inability to play complementary football, making mistakes uncharacteristic of a long-term NFL veterans, and mental errors that prevent you from closing out games are all attributes of a losing team.
QB rating in the 4th quarter? From last year:
Stafford has completed 70.9% of his passes in the fourth quarter, throwing 10 touchdown passes and no interceptions. His passer rating of 123.5 is the best among qualified quarterbacks
September 26, 2022 at 9:01 pm #140872znModerator— Cornell (@gqscholar) September 27, 2022
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