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    Actually a link to Coach Lynn talking is in the NFL/protests thread on the other forum. WV I think this vid belongs there: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-on-floyd-protests/#post-115720

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    I put it down there.

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    Actually a link to Coach Lynn talking is in the NFL/protests thread on the other forum. WV I think this vid belongs there: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-on-floyd-protests/#post-115720

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    Ok. Go ahead and move it.

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    Ok. Go ahead and move it.

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    I can’t move posts. Only the poster can do that (the method being simply to post it again in the new spot.) So it’s up to you, whether you would like it there (in the thread already going) or here (as a new separate thread).

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    y to post it again in the new spot.) So it’s up to you, whether you would like it there (in the thread already going) or here (as a new separate thread).

    Let’s just leave it here. I gave you the wrong link (sometimes when I copy a link it doesn’t and just uses the one I had copied before.) That’s on me and it’s too much fuss. It’s fine. I will bring stuff from the Rams forum thread to this thread and make the other one a Rams only thread on the protests. Thanks for pitching in and being helpful WV, I appreciate it.

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    Matt Waldman@MattWaldman
    There’s a difference between between hateful and ignorant. People—especially liberals—are too apt to shame when they see ignorance and lump it with hate. Some want to punish immediately, ask questions later. Brees wasn’t hateful but what he said is hurtful because he’s

    Ignorant of the underlying ties between his desire to be patriotic (good), what is patriotic (what he appears not to see), and what is the priority that most military I have known or spoken with would tell you (human rights and right to protest).

    I am a huge fan of Drew Brees’s game. So are the players who work with him on the field. Brees is a perfect example of an intelligent, hardworking, often compassionate person can be insidiously brainwashed for so long that they don’t or refuse to see what’s obvious to many.

    It’s the heartbreaking thing about our nation’s disease. Those who perpetrated this disease politically tie it to false notions of safety and patriotism.

    American slavery was the most brutal form of slavery in world history. When over, there was no recompense, training, or enforcement of the new laws. Jim Crow laws were awful–Nazis studied them to prepare for their regime of government. They rejected many of them as too harsh!

    Jim Crow laws benefited whites and hurt blacks in quality of real estate, education, law enforcement–institutions that set you and your family up for life and the lives of your children and children’s children or can derail and hurt those dependent on you early in life.

    Why wasn’t the Tusla massacre taught in most U.S. schools? A thriving black area of town with black-owned businesses bombed from the air, and black families massacred and buried in unmarked graves–set off by a woman behaving like Amy Cooper.

    Why are textbooks in many states equating the indentured servitude of the Irish with the slavery of Africans in America? And if you can’t get with “why” you can still acknowledge how these elements brainwash us into denial that anything needs to be fixed.

    The point is that we’ve been brainwashed in this country by people who didn’t want to own up to what they did to blacks and how it earned them power and money. We may not be directly complicit with those acts but it set the foundation for inherent advantages/disadvantages.

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    Jim Trotter@JimTrotter_NFL
    Man, hearing from different teams about the virtual conversations that have taken place among players, coaches and executives. Words that keep coming up: powerful, emotional. Some participants have been moved to tears during talks. This *feels* unlike anything I’ve covered.

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    FWIW. At Yahoo:https://sports.yahoo.com/drew-brees-apologizes-for-comments-about-kneeling-protests-i-stand-with-the-black-community-124049826.html
    Drew Brees apologized on Thursday morning for his recent comments about players kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and racial injustice.

    Brees, the longtime New Orleans Saints quarterback, posted his apology on Instagram, and indicated that he’d spoken to several people about how his comments made them feel and the pain his words had caused them.

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    Matt Waldman@MattWaldman
    There’s a difference between between hateful and ignorant. People—especially liberals—are too apt to shame when they see ignorance and lump it with hate. Some want to punish immediately, ask questions later. Brees wasn’t hateful but what he said is hurtful because he’s

    Ignorant of the underlying ties between his desire to be patriotic (good), what is patriotic (what he appears not to see), and what is the priority that most military I have known or spoken with would tell you (human rights and right to protest).

    I am a huge fan of Drew Brees’s game. So are the players who work with him on the field. Brees is a perfect example of an intelligent, hardworking, often compassionate person can be insidiously brainwashed for so long that they don’t or refuse to see what’s obvious to many.

    It’s the heartbreaking thing about our nation’s disease. Those who perpetrated this disease politically tie it to false notions of safety and patriotism.

    American slavery was the most brutal form of slavery in world history. When over, there was no recompense, training, or enforcement of the new laws. Jim Crow laws were awful–Nazis studied them to prepare for their regime of government. They rejected many of them as too harsh!

    Jim Crow laws benefited whites and hurt blacks in quality of real estate, education, law enforcement–institutions that set you and your family up for life and the lives of your children and children’s children or can derail and hurt those dependent on you early in life.

    Why wasn’t the Tusla massacre taught in most U.S. schools? A thriving black area of town with black-owned businesses bombed from the air, and black families massacred and buried in unmarked graves–set off by a woman behaving like Amy Cooper.

    Why are textbooks in many states equating the indentured servitude of the Irish with the slavery of Africans in America? And if you can’t get with “why” you can still acknowledge how these elements brainwash us into denial that anything needs to be fixed.

    The point is that we’ve been brainwashed in this country by people who didn’t want to own up to what they did to blacks and how it earned them power and money. We may not be directly complicit with those acts but it set the foundation for inherent advantages/disadvantages.

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    Good Lord. Matt Waldman knows about the Tulsa thing? Wow.
    Very impressed.

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    Good Lord. Matt Waldman knows about the Tulsa thing? Wow.
    Very impressed.

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    I have another Waldman tweet series in another thread. His jumping off point is that he’s a white guy who married a black woman and had a daughter who is of course black. The premise is that no matter how liberal and enlightened you think you are, if you’re white, actually experiencing black america through a direct emotional connection is a whole different thing. He talks about what he saw and learned.

    It’s here, on page one of this thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/police-v-demonstrators-protesting-killing-of-george-floyd/

    Though I will probably move it to its own thread. I’ll edit a link in here if I do.

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    Colts GM Chris Ballard: ‘I can’t sit here and remain silent’

    https://www.nfl.com/news/colts-gm-chris-ballard-i-can-t-sit-here-and-remain-silent

    As protests of police brutality continue across the nation in the wake of the killing of George Floyd, it’s impossible to deny that the United States is experiencing a moment in its history.

    The hope is it ends up being a moment of positive and perhaps even transformative change. Colts general manager Chris Ballard knows it has at the very least gotten his attention and forced him to acknowledge the systemic issues in this nation. It has also forced him to look in the mirror, through which he realized he’s had the privilege of ignoring those same systemic issues because they don’t affect him.

    “I can’t sit here and remain silent because that’s exactly what we’ve done every time our black community screams and yells for help,” Ballard said during a Thursday unscheduled videoconference call with reporters. “We have to end social injustices and racial inequalities. We have to end the police violence against our black communities. Black lives matter. I don’t understand why that’s so freaking hard for the white community to say. Black lives matter.

    “I’ve been ignorant. I’ve been ignorant to the real problem, and I’m ashamed of that. I just came to the realization here over the last 10 days with some really hard, difficult conversations that’s we’ve had as an organization, as a team, with my family, with my sons. And I’ve been ignorant to the real problem.”

    Ballard knows his overlooking of the inequities faced by African Americans isn’t just a problem with his approach, but a significant issue with a large portion of the country. He said he realized that through his own ignorance, his children were left uninformed “about what’s going on in our country … and they have no idea. And that’s my fault.”

    As someone who holds a position of influence with a platform, he’s decided to stop talking football or sticking to sports during this time and instead come out with a strong, unprompted and unprepared statement on the matter at hand.

    “See, this is not a black problem, this is a white problem,” Ballard said. “This is an issue that we have to talk about and we can’t sugarcoat it, we can’t sugarcoat our way out of this. We can’t go back into our bubble, because that’s what we’ve always done. We’ve always gone right back into our bubble and we’ve never really listened.

    “We haven’t listened, I haven’t listened. We haven’t listened as a country. White America refuses to listen. We want to keep things the same and it can’t, or we’ll continue down the same paths we’re continuing down. And that has to change, and nothing will change until we do that. I’m ashamed of that.”

    Ballard’s first step has been to speak with those closest to him — family, friends, colleagues and the members of the roster he’s assembled in Indianapolis — to better understand the whole situation. He said his Colts “have guys hurting, and I didn’t know that.”

    But one of the more notable members of the team gave Ballard a simple explanation that he said will drive him to act, starting with his comments Thursday.

    “I thought Jacoby Brissett put it best: ‘You’re either part of the solution, or you’re part of the problem,'” Ballard said, via The Athletic’s Stephen Holder. “I want to do my part. My family is going to do its part.”

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    I can’t listen to Godell on this. I’m sorry. I’m close-minded, and there is nothing he can say that won’t come across to me as this: “Hey! The tide has turned, and it looks like it’s safe for us to take the moral stand we refused to take a few years ago. So sorry. And sorry for the careers we destroyed. Let’s play ball!”

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    I can’t listen to Godell on this. I’m sorry. I’m close-minded, and there is nothing he can say that won’t come across to me as this: “Hey! The tide has turned, and it looks like it’s safe for us to take the moral stand we refused to take a few years ago. So sorry. And sorry for the careers we destroyed. Let’s play ball!”

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    Exactly. I gagged ten second into it. He’s a piece of shit. Like Demoff. And Kronky. Corporate-Weasels to the End.

    Though, exactly where were the Black Players when Kaepernik was bringing this to the nation’s attention? Where was the solidarity back then? The league said shut up about it, and they did. Money.

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