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  • #63136
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    I would worry about the LBs first.

    At least immediately, it would/could be Tree and Forrest inside. Don’t know if that would be good enough.

    The DL would actually be okay. Going RDE against LOT… –>

    RDE: Donald
    NG: Brockers
    LDE: Westbrooks/Hayes

    Quinn as situational rusher, unless they think they can convert him to stand-up rusher/LB.

    Barron…odd man out?

    Secondary needs work/coaching/bodies regardless of the D system, 4/3 or 3/4.

    #63140
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    If Wade Phillips is the DC, I think they could make it work. I read that in Denver he ran a one-gap 3-4. That is not traditionally what I think of when I think 3-4. And, yeah, the secondary needs some work. Another CB?. I think Phillips could have a top 10 defense on the field.

    Agamemnon

    #63150
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    over at the herd they’re saying mcvay and phillips package deal. latest rumor going around.

    if so, yeah. it’d be a 3-4 defense. i think it would work. they should still draft a defensive end this year.

    pass rushing lbs would be a problem.

    #63158
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    I bet a healthy Quinn could be a dominating outside edge rusher in a 3-4. As good or better than Kevin Greene. Can he become a complete OLB? Maybe he doesn’t need to be.

    #63161
    Herzog
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    I must admit, I don’t know jack about 3-4. So I guess we’re saying Quinn and Barron as the other two linebackers? Outside linebackers? I don’t really get it.

    #63163
    sanbagger
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    I would be OK with the switch and I realize the 1st year would be a patchwork version while Phillips gathers his guys.

    I believe they would address the lack of LBers in FA for the short term.

    Barron could possibly be moved back to safety.

    How many teams in the playoffs run a 3-4? I know Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Houston, and Packers..did I miss any? Seems to me it can be a good D and Phillips has a nice track record.

    #63165
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    here’s a thought. cory littleton – rams rookie of the year.

    got more and more playing time as the season went on. probably needs to add some weight.

    OVERVIEW
    Littleton’s career at “U-Dub” was a bit up and down, moving positions and moving in and out of the starting lineup. But as they say, it’s not about how you start, but where you finish. Littleton’s final year on campus saw him receive honorable mention All-Pac-12 notice as a Sam linebacker, racking up 65 stops, 11 for loss, and six sacks. He had started all 13 games at defensive end as a sophomore, contributing 62 tackles, 10 for loss and five sacks for the Huskies, but found himself playing less in his junior campaign as a part-time starter (37 tackles, 3.5 for loss, one sack). Even Littleton’s first year in Seattle was a bit inconsistent, as coaches inserted him into the starting line-up against Oregon after not playing him at all in the first four games of the year. He made six tackles against the Ducks (one for loss), and finished the year with 14 stops, 1.5 for loss.

    PRO DAY RESULTS
    40-yard dash: 4.73 seconds
    Vertical: 32 1/2 inches
    Broad jump: 9 feet, 11 inches
    Short shuttle: 4.39 seconds
    3-cone: 7.01 seconds
    Bench: 17 reps of 225 pounds

    ANALYSIS
    STRENGTHS Athletic with long arms and big hands. Has decent closing speed. Sinks hips and accelerates out of his change of direction. Moderate tackle production, but reduced his broken tackles and misses from a year ago. As edge rusher, has some edge bend with flexible ankles, effective shoulder dip and cat­-quick spin move. Credited with 35 pressures and six sacks on the season. Consistent special teams performer with 19 career tackles.

    WEAKNESSES Play strength dips well below NFL norm for the position. Plays upright and blockers get under his pads. Allows both tight ends and fullbacks to derail his edge-­setting attempts. Can’t hold the edge and is a liability when teams run downhill at him. Shows some passivity. Needs to be more physical and use his hands to clear himself from blocks.

    DRAFT PROJECTION Undrafted free agent

    BOTTOM LINE Long-limbed, stand-up pass rusher who is built more like a wide receiver than a running back. Littleton showed some pass rush ability this season and his special teams ability may be his best attribute on the next level. However, his thin frame and poor play strength could make him a long ­shot to stick on the 53.

    #63170
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    I must admit, I don’t know jack about 3-4. So I guess we’re saying Quinn and Barron as the other two linebackers? Outside linebackers? I don’t really get it.

    I don’t see Barron being an LB anywhere, inside or out, in a 3/4. He’s too small.

    He’s also not a DB or they wouldn’t have moved him to LB.

    In a 4/3 your primary pass rushers are your 2 ends.

    IN a 3/4 you move the ends more inside (over the OTs usually) and put a noseguard over the center. As a rule you can’t generate much pass rush from a 3/4 DL.

    Your pass rushers become the 2 OLBs. However, in many 3/4 systems, you can take a DE and move him back to OLB. Peppers did that when he signed with GB.

    You then have 2 ILB who are, as a rule, bigger than the normal 4/3 MLB.

    So you go from this:

    OLB..MLB..OLB
    DE DT DT DE

    To this

    OLB ILB ILB OLB
    ..DE..NG..DE..

    #63171
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    You have to figure in too, how much of the time the defense will be in a Nickel or Dime package. Teams that run one style, 4-3 or 3-4, will switch schemes at times. Williams tailored the players to his style of defense. imo So, the new guy will want to do some of the same. There will be some changes.

    Denver had 3 good man-to-man corners and a lot of pass rushers. That is about all I can say about that. What else they had, I don’t know.

    Agamemnon

    #63172
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13501687/denver-broncos-one-best-defense-nfl

    Broncos’ D could be among NFL’s best
    Aug 24, 2015
    John ClaytonESPN Senior Writer

    ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — John Elway’s signing of Peyton Manning moved the Denver Broncos into Super Bowl contention for the past three seasons.

    But it could be the Denver defense that carves the team’s path back to the Super Bowl this season. To see this defense up close is to be surprised by the speed, like a televised horse race in which the tape speed is one-and-a-half times reality. It’s pretty clear the Broncos’ defense is under the radar. With Wade Phillips in charge as the defensive coordinator, the group is primed for improvement, and potentially the better unit on this team.

    As I watched last Tuesday’s practice, linebackers were shooting through the blocking scheme so fast that they reached Manning twice before he was able to get the ball out. On another play, the pressure was instant, and Manning scrambled to his right and tossed the ball away to avoid the sack. Of course, a “sack” in camp is merely an obvious case of a defender being there before the ball would come out. But because you can’t hit the red jersey, defenders can slow up, and make the offense look better than it is. In this case, the speed with which Denver defenders could be near Manning was striking.

    Speed. That’s the buzzword for the Broncos’ defense. DeMarcus Ware, Von Miller and Shane Ray fire through and into gaps with speed. The inside linebacking corps has range and speed.

    “You just think about the guys in general — me, Von, Shane, Derek Wolfe and others,” Ware said. “We have guys who are very athletic. We don’t have the typical 3-4 guys who are doing two-gap. We are more of a pass-rush, dynamic 3-4. I am amazed how guys are hustling and getting to the quarterback.”

    In the preseason opener, the Broncos sacked Seattle Seahawks quarterbacks seven times and forced Pete Carroll to make two changes along the line to fix the problems created by the Broncos. In two preseason games, the Broncos have a total of 12 sacks.

    Because of the star power of the Broncos’ offense, the defense often gets overlooked. Under John Fox, who used a hybrid 4-3 scheme that dabbled a little with the 3-4, the Broncos finished third last year for fewest yards allowed and had 41 sacks.

    Phillips thinks they can get better.
    Shane Ray could be used in a rotation with DeMarcus Ware and Von Miller, making this a deep pass rush. AP Photo/George Bridges

    “The sky is the limit for us,” Ware said. “We are trying to be the best defense in the NFL. That is testament to what Wade brings to the game and how he plays guys. We have those types of guys who run and get to the quarterback. We shoot gaps. And the linebackers are fast and quick.”

    Ware is probably the biggest benefactor of the Phillips hire. Ware had 60.5 sacks in the four seasons Phillips was with him in Dallas. At 33 and in incredible shape, Ware might be ready to return into the 16-to-20 sack level for at least another season with Phillips calling the defensive plays.

    “It’s a comfort level,” Ware said. “Those were some of my top years playing in Wade’s defense. You can see it with Von now. He’s 100 percent healthy. Wade knows how to stunt guys and when to drop them in coverages. For offenses, you don’t know who is coming.”

    Miller should be a candidate for defensive player of the year in this scheme. He has 49.0 sacks in his first 56 games in the league. He looks natural in Phillips’ 3-4 pass-rush scheme. Miller is a unique talent. Ware compares him to Derrick Thomas, the former Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame pass-rusher.

    “Von comes off with so much speed and tenacity trying to get to the quarterback,” Ware said. “He has so many different types of rushes. He can spin. He can duck underneath blockers. He’s a short box guy, but he just has so much power. He can get his body so low. That’s what the coaches always like. He can get around the corner and still keep his stability.”

    Don’t underestimate Ware’s ability either. He has 127 career sacks and has eight trips to the Pro Bowl. Those qualifications alone make him a candidate for the Pro Football Hall of Fame down the road. The Ware-Miller pass-rush tandem ranks among the best in football. And don’t forget rookie Shane Ray. Considered one the top pass-rushers in the NFL draft, he fell to the Broncos and could allow more of a rotation, keeping Miller and Ware fresh.

    Phillips is arguably the best coach in football when it comes to taking a base 4-3 defense and converting it to the 3-4. Transitions in San Diego and Houston dot his NFL résumé. He laughs off the idea that it’s a complex transition, saying the only difference in the schemes is whether one defender plays with a hand on the ground or not.

    Some 3-4 schemes force defenders to handle two gaps. Phillips stresses the one-gap approach and players love shooting those gaps in trying to get to the quarterback.

    “When players in Wade’s system come to the games, it’s not like it’s, ‘OK, I got to butt this tackle or butt this guard or I’ve got to play the A-gap and the B-gap,'” Ware said. “You know you are playing one gap and there are 10 other guys who have their own gap responsibility. Bill Kollar [the defensive line coach] came in here and said we aren’t two-gapping anymore, we aren’t going to be sitting ducks. We are a pass-rush 3-4 team.'”

    Agamemnon

    #63173
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    Agamemnon

    #63174
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    Just a thought. Maybe Donald can play ILB. He runs a 4.6-7. He can do just about anything. He could still pass rush, but from anywhere.
    I moved past moving Quinn to OLB, because everybody already does that. But, then, could he move to ILB?
    At first glance, it appears that we need LBers, but there are a lot of combinations that might work. imo
    But, how much of the time will we be in Nickel or Dime coverage?
    I am more inclined to look for good man-to-man CBs.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 11 months ago by Avatar photoAgamemnon.

    Agamemnon

    #63176
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    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13501687/denver-broncos-one-best-defense-nfl

    Broncos’ D could be among NFL’s best
    Aug 24, 2015

    Phillips is arguably the best coach in football when it comes to taking a base 4-3 defense and converting it to the 3-4. Transitions in San Diego and Houston dot his NFL résumé. He laughs off the idea that it’s a complex transition, saying the only difference in the schemes is whether one defender plays with a hand on the ground or not.

    #63177
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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000498479/printable/wade-phillips-vic-fangio-among-top-10-defensive-coordinators

    Wade Phillips, Denver Broncos

    ….Phillips has built stellar defenses at nearly every stop, including his most recent in Houston. He is a creative 3-4 schemer adept at tailoring his system to his talent, allowing his premier playmakers to disrupt the game at every turn. While unleashing explosive rushers off the edge and moving around destructive interior defenders, Phillips will utilize stunts, loops and blitzes to terrorize opponents at the point of attack. His tactics are certainly impressive to watch, but the fact that he scales down the communication (verbiage) to allow his players to play fast and free is one of the big reasons why he consistently gets exceptional production from his top dogs. And given the impact that stars have on the game, Phillips’ adaptability is what makes him one of the top defensive minds working today.

    #63178
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    off the net from OCRamRef68

    Re: McVay – Wade Phillips connection. The Tight Ends coach for the Redskins is Wes Phillips. He is the son of Wade Phillips. Don’t know if that’s the connection, but if McVay gets the job and Phillips is his DC, I bet you Wes is named the Tight Ends coach. Also, Bill Callahan (Washington’s Offensive line coach and former coordinator with Dallas among other places) would probably be in the running for OC. Should be interesting. This could mean nothing if Shanahan has a good interview.

    #63179
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    For Wade Phillips, Broncos’ 3-4 defense and one gap equals dominance

    link: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/07/for-wade-phillips-broncos-3-4-defense-and-one-gap-equals-dominance/

    Wade Phillips typically is the first to saunter out to the Broncos’ practice fields. Each morning, his small steps lead him out, his sleepy eyes gaze around with wonder, and his grin grows larger with every bystander he greets. His soft voice and round frame add to the guise he’s worn so well in his 37 seasons as an NFL coach.

    Don’t be fooled.

    Phillips, the man DeMarcus Ware calls a father figure, is the mastermind behind a relentless attack, a defense built on speed and pressure that he hopes to turn into one of the most fearsome units in the league.

    When general manager John Elway decided to overhaul the Broncos’ coaching staff in January, his reasoning was simple. Yes, the Broncos had just clinched their fourth consecutive AFC West title under John Fox. But a lackluster performance in a divisional playoff loss to the Indianapolis Colts in Denver exposed the Broncos’ weaknesses.

    They didn’t go out “kicking and screaming,” as Elway said.

    So, when new Broncos coach Gary Kubiak hired Phillips as his defensive coordinator, it was clear that Elway’s message was heard.

    In his nearly four decades in the NFL, Phillips has been a part of 19 top-10 defensive units and has coached 27 Pro Bowlers. He mostly recently was the defensive coordinator on Kubiak’s staff in Houston, where he took over a Texans unit that ranked 30th in the league in total defense (376.9 yards allowed per game) and steered it to a No. 2 ranking (285.7 yards) in 2011.

    Before that, as the Dallas Cowboys’ head coach from 2007-10, Phillips helped Ware accumulate 60½ sacks as an edge pass rusher and twice lead the league in sacks.

    Back for a second run as Broncos’ coordinator, Phillips has implemented his version of the 3-4 defense that simplifies the duties and exploits the depth and weapons on his roster. It’s a system that is adaptable, and one that his players have embraced.

    “We try to fit what the players can do in the defense rather than saying, ‘OK, we’re a 4-3 or we’re a two-gap 3-4,’ ” Phillips said. “We’re a team where if a guy can stunt and rush the passer, we let him do that. If a guy is a power guy, we try to let him be that. It’s all what individual players can do.”

    It begins with the line, where in the base defense three linemen play a one-gap scheme, unlike the two-gap scheme in many other 3-4 alignments. This means the nose tackle and two defensive ends are responsible for the offensive lineman in front of them and one gap — not both — to the side of that lineman, allowing them to move up the field and attack the passer instead of waiting for the play to unfold and reacting.

    This defense puts a greater onus on the two inside linebackers to step up and take on a guard, and also stuff the run and fall back in coverage when needed. Phillips has said his inside linebacker corps this year is among the deepest he has had, but the return to full health of starters Brandon Marshall and Danny Trevathan from injuries a season ago is crucial.

    “Danny and I, we’re naturals together,” Marshall said. “Whenever we’re at practice, we’re able to feed off each other. He knows the checks, I know the checks.”

    The variations, of which Phillips has plenty and is known to utilize depending on his personnel, are seen most with the outside linebackers. This year he has two elite ones (Von Miller and Ware) and possibly a third (rookie Shane Ray).

    Phillips has been toying with three-outside linebacker sets. He has been moving Ware and Miller up to the line occasionally. And he’s letting them do what they do best.

    “We rush them a lot,” Phillips said, grinning slyly. “If they can rush the passer, we let them rush.”

    Allow Ware to expound. “In the 3-4, you have five linemen on the front end and only two linebackers,” he said. “It’s a one-gap scheme. My job is now I can be a lot more aggressive on the outside, set the edge on the outside and make sure everything is funneled to the guys in the middle. It’s like (having) one responsibility.”

    The aggressiveness extends to the secondary, where Phillips has three Pro Bowlers in safety T.J. Ward and cornerbacks Aqib Talib and Chris Harris. The trio didn’t make the NFL’s top 100 for 2015, a ranking selected by their peers. But the added chip was welcome.

    Talib believes the Broncos’ secondary a year ago was among the best in the NFL. Ward, now in a defense that allows him to blitz more, wants their status, and his, to be indisputable in 2015.

    “I want to lead the league in interceptions,” he said. “I want to lead the league in sacks from the secondary and lead the league in turnovers. If we do that, we’ll be pretty good.”

    The benchmark is Seattle’s “Legion of Boom” secondary, a group that helped the Seahawks to consecutive Super Bowl appearances and one world championship.

    Under defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio’s tutelage last season, the Broncos allowed 305.2 yards per game, the third-fewest in the NFL, and only 79.8 yards rushing, second-fewest in the NFL. But they ranked ninth in yards passing allowed (225.4), tied for 16th in scoring (22.1 points) and recorded only 25 takeaways, tied for a mediocre 13th.

    The one-gap philosophy raises the risk, but also the reward. A breakdown in communication can leave a running back a clear path down the field. But a talented, in-sync defense can create havoc.

    “We always thought we could be good, but we know we can be good now,” Miller said. “I don’t know how Coach Phillips did it, but we’re ready to go.”

    #63376
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    And now…it’s no longer pure speculation.

    Here’s a thought on how they could line up.

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    off the net from Blue and Gold

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    there is not that much difference in what he does in a 3-4 than what teams do in a 4-3.

    The one-gap part is the key, it’s not a two-gap 3-4 like the Pats sometimes use. It’s like Tennessee, or Steelers.

    “We try to fit what the players can do in the defense rather than saying, ‘OK, we’re a 4-3 or we’re a two-gap 3-4,’ ” Phillips said. “We’re a team where if a guy can stunt and rush the passer, we let him do that. If a guy is a power guy, we try to let him be that. It’s all what individual players can do.”

    On how to use Donald. in the 3-4 defense these days the DC can play one of the DEs down a 3-tech. In the Phillips playbooks it’s called “Sink” and they can have AD move to either side.

    #63377
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    See the post previous to this one.

    On how to use Donald. in the 3-4 defense these days the DC can play one of the DEs down a 3-tech. In the Phillips playbooks it’s called “Sink” and they can have AD move to either side.

    Just thinking out loud. The idea there is that rather than play both 3/4 DEs over the tackle (as DEs do in most 3/4s), one plays in the 3-tech gap between guard and tackle. The idea is that that suits Donald better.

    According to the pic in the last post the front 7 would be:

    LDE: Westbrooks, Hayes
    NT: Brockers
    3-tech: Donald

    LOLB: ?
    LILB: ? (in the pic it’s Barron but I can’t see that) (Forrest?)
    RILB: Ogletree
    ROLB: Quinn

    Donald, Quinn, and Tree on the defensive right side would be a lot of fun and a nightmare for opposing offenses.

    According to the way I have interpreted this, Barron seems to be odd man out. Too small to play LB in a 3/4? But then I ain’t Phillips and maybe he has ideas.

    If though I am right about Barron, they would then need 2 LBs. Could one of these guys can become a linebacker in this system? —> Forrest, Longacre, Fox, Sims.

    And you know…that IS possible, that one of those guys could convert.

    I have no idea how Phillips uses his safeties, so it’s not clear if he would like the Alexander/McDonald combo.

    BTW another thing I have seen guys talk about is moving Donald to ILB. On paper that’s plausible but then you would still need a DE.

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    #63380
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    3rd post in a row on this in the last hour.

    What about Wauffle?

    I don’t think Wauffle is a 3/4 DL guy.

    So getting Phillips may mean losing Wauffle.

    #63383
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I think he has the best chance of all the assistants to stay.

    Agamemnon

    #63385
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    See the post previous to this one.

    On how to use Donald. in the 3-4 defense these days the DC can play one of the DEs down a 3-tech. In the Phillips playbooks it’s called “Sink” and they can have AD move to either side.

    Just thinking out loud. The idea there is that rather than play both 3/4 DEs over the tackle (as DEs do in most 3/4s), one plays in the 3-tech gap between guard and tackle. The idea is that that suits Donald better.

    According to the pic in the last post the front 7 would be:

    LDE: Westbrooks, Hayes
    NT: Brockers
    3-tech: Donald

    LOLB: ?
    LILB: ? (in the pic it’s Barron but I can’t see that) (Forrest?)
    RILB: Ogletree
    ROLB: Quinn

    Donald, Quinn, and Tree on the defensive right side would be a lot of fun and a nightmare for opposing offenses.

    According to the way I have interpreted this, Barron seems to be odd man out. Too small to play LB in a 3/4? But then I ain’t Phillips and maybe he has ideas.

    If though I am right about Barron, they would then need 2 LBs. Could one of these guys can become a linebacker in this system? —> Forrest, Longacre, Fox, Sims.

    And you know…that IS possible, that one of those guys could convert.

    I have no idea how Phillips uses his safeties, so it’s not clear if he would like the Alexander/McDonald combo.

    BTW another thing I have seen guys talk about is moving Donald to ILB. On paper that’s plausible but then you would still need a DE.

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    I saw a blurb somewhere where a guy said not to worry about the 3-4/4-3 distinction with Phillips. He said all Phillips does is have one of his DEs stand up.

    Oops. Now I remember where I saw it. It’s from a tweet Ag posted in another thread.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 11 months ago by Avatar photonittany ram.
    #63389
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    saw a blurb somewhere where a guy said not to worry about the 3-4/4-3 distinction with Phillips. He said all Phillips does is have one of his DEs stand up.

    That’s not quite true. You still need 4 linebackers, and in a normal 3/4, the LBs are bigger than they are in a 4/3.

    So according to that idea, Barron is too small. Or it’s possible he will be viewed that way.

    So you have Quinn and Tree and need 2 more.

    In terms of the DL it may be set, assuming Donald fits the 3/4 DE or 3/4 3-tech thing.

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    #63392
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    Invader has a good video of Wade.

    Published on Aug 20, 2014

    To purchase the full video, click here:https://coacheschoice.com/p-3090-the-…

    Featuring one of the most respected defensive coaches in the history of the game, The 3-4 Defense: Alignments, Assignments, and Responsibilities provides an overview of several of the key factors involved in the 3-4 defensive scheme. Initially, the DVD details the advantages of a 3-4 defense, particularly when compared to a 4-3. The DVD then discusses how players are aligned in the 3-4, what assignment they’re expected to undertake, what technique they should employ, and how coaches should individualize how each defender plays according to his unique skill set. The DVD also reviews how the “Phillips 3-4 defense” is executed. Finally, the DVD explains how coaches can utilize the 3-4 to combat specific offensive strategies.

    Wade says he has gone away from the traditional 3-4 LBers who take on the guards. He might use one, but the other MLB would be a move lber. He also uses a one-gap technique, not the two-gap that is the more tradional 3-4. His will lber is a chase LBer. He does use a SLBer, which maybe Forrest can fill?

    Agamemnon

    #63393
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    He might use one, but the other MLB would be a move lber. He also uses a one-gap technique, not the two-gap that is the more tradional 3-4. His will lber is a chase LBer. He does use a SLBer, which maybe Forrest can fill?

    That’s all true, but, Barron was small even for a 4/3 LB.

    In a 3/4 he may be a flat-out liability.

    WP uses a 1-gap system but then so did Williams. Even in a 4/3 with Donald drawing double teams, Barron would often just get blown out.

    You still have to control the gap. You can’t do that by getting launched into the upper seats.

    #63394
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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-joe-woods-to-become-broncos-defensive-coordinator/

    It remains unclear if Joseph, who ran a 4-3 scheme with the Miami Dolphins, will scrap Phillips’ 3-4 alignment.

    You know if Denver goes to a 4/3 while the Rams got to a 3/4, it opens the (speculative) possibility that there could be exchanges of players between the 2 teams. I don’t mean anything big…could be anyone.

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    #63395
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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-joe-woods-to-become-broncos-defensive-coordinator/

    It remains unclear if Joseph, who ran a 4-3 scheme with the Miami Dolphins, will scrap Phillips’ 3-4 alignment.

    You know if Denver goes to a 4/3 while the Rams got to a 3/4, it opens the (speculative) possibility that there could be exchanges of players between the 2 teams. I don’t mean anything big…could be anyone.

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    ok. miller for quinn it is then.

    #63396
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    That’s all true, but, Barron was small even for a 4/3 LB.

    In a 3/4 he may be a flat-out liability.

    WP uses a 1-gap system but then so did Williams. Even in a 4/3 with Donald drawing double teams, Barron would often just get blown out.

    You still have to control the gap. You can’t do that by getting launched into the upper seats.

    Yeah, Barron is small. I was surprised he held up last year. How often will the Rams be in Nickel or Dime coverage? What alignments will we use then?

    Agamemnon

    #63400
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    can josh forrest play mike? that’s the key for me. if he can, my guess is phillips can make forrest and ogletree work. he can make it more than work.

    oh wait. the key also is if quinn can play weakside linebacker. according to phillips that’s where the sack production will come from.

    you listen to demarcus ware gush about wade. i think he could be great for both quinn and donald.

    #63401
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    link: http://www.denverpost.com/2015/09/16/demarcus-ware-back-in-phillips-3-4-wreaking-havoc/

    The man who helped Ware amass 20 sacks in only their second season together in Dallas is now helping the 11th-year veteran return to his record ways. Phillips’ 3-4 defense is back.

    “I know when they changed to a 4-3 in Dallas, going against a tackle all the time in the game I think wore him down a little bit,” Phillips said. “He seems refreshed here. In this defense, he’s standing up; he doesn’t have to go against the tackle all the time, except in pass-rush situations.

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    can josh forrest play mike? that’s the key for me. if he can, my guess is phillips can make forrest and ogletree work. he can make it more than work.

    oh wait. the key also is if quinn can play weakside linebacker. according to phillips that’s where the sack production will come from.

    you listen to demarcus ware gush about wade. i think he could be great for both quinn and donald.

    If you play Forrest at Mike, you don’t have a SLBer.

    This thread is about speculation, so speculate. 😉

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