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  • #52285
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    “I hope Buckner and Armstead can really set the tone for the season and dominate.

    Agree on Gurley.

    I think the Rams will grind with the run and target our ILB’s passing when the opportunity arises. Fisher is lame so he’ll be safe and mostly try to run through us.

    I don’t know what to expect from our offense. Things are so up in the air right now, new HC and one who needed to adjust his game going into 2016. No WR’s. Patton must step up.

    I do know Kelly started using TE’s a lot more last year and will prob have to expand on that this year out of necessity. Dont be surprised if our TE’s are the leading recievers. It may not look like Chip’s old offense, other than the fast tempo.”

    “Man, I’m just so excited to have a real offensive guru leading the team. Call me soft, but it’ll be fun to watch us score some points. And I’m certain we will. Kelly can score points with any team.

    What I’m not excited for is the awful chip Kelly defense that usually accompanies that.

    I’m gonna say we lose a close one. 24-21 or something of that nature.”

    “49er OL will be a revelation. Beadles is the week link but he is better than anyone on last year’s line except Staley. Run game may be stymied early but eventually the D will begin to tire and run game will start to work. Kelly’s scheme works well against pressure and Gabbert is good at getting rid of the ball quickly. Look for a lot of plays early that will have the defense running sideline to sideline chasing underneath throws.

    Stop the Ram run game and you stop the Rams. If Armstead is fully healthy, he will announce his presence to the league and Gurley. Keenum is just a journeyman and will be facing a better than expected group of 49er DBs with help from O’Neil blitzes to keep Keenum under pressure.

    23-13 49ers”

    “Anxious to see the 49ers revamped interior OLine versus those two Rams DTs, Donald and Brockers. Then in week 2 it’s the Panthers DTs. Talk about being tested right off the bat.”

    “Key Matchups for MNF’s Rams vs Niners

    Chip Kelly O scheme vs Greg Williams D scheme. Greg Williams will likely send blitzes in order to pressure Gabbert’s counting. Kelly could take advantage only if he prepers Blaine to keep it cool and moving the no huddle drives.

    Chris Davis vs Tavon Austin. Davis had a tough eveving covering Packers Cobb and Austin will be no different. Although he shown some flashes, he really needs to step up if he wanna keep his role and spot.

    9ers DLinemen vs Rams OLinemen. Dorsey must disrupt the line of scrimmage in order to stop Gurley. Having Armstead, DeFo and Dial will help him. Also gonna be important they generate pass rush so guys like Carradine and/or Brooks get Keenum.

    Trent Brown and Anthony Davis vs Aaron Donald and William Hayes. Staley gonna have a busy night against Quinn but is Brown and Davis who are gonna seal our faith for the running and passing game.

    Vance McDonald vs Alec Ogletree. If Niners has to face 3rd and long then Vance should be the guy who convert 1st down to keep the ball and clock running in our favor.”

    http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/186543-49ers-rams-pregame-thread-2016-season-week/page5/

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #52291
    NewMexicoRam
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    What I’m afraid of is seeing the same dink and dunk in the passing game that we saw in preseason.

    Defenses need to be kept guessing against us.

    #52292
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    What I’m afraid of is seeing the same dink and dunk in the passing game that we saw in preseason.

    Defenses need to be kept guessing against us.

    I disagree, in 2 completely different ways.

    First, the Fisher Rams are not and won’t be an exclusively ball control team. They take shots. It’s part of who they are. For example, if you look at percentage of attempts thrown long (31 yards or more), the Rams have been in the top 3rd of the league.

    Secondly, you can also have a sophisticated short ball control passing game (combined with a good running game) that keeps defenses guessing. There’s a lot of ways to do that. For example in preseason games we saw constantly how the Rams would build a pass option into a run play call where the qb saw a gap in the defense and exploited it with an audible. In the Dallas game Gruden talked about that kind of play a lot.

    Ball control passing combined with tough running sets up defenses for play action. The Rams it seems to me are aiming at being a top play action team. In which case they will have more than their share of big plays.

    In terms of just running (which you didn’t mention), people say, defenses will stack the box. Yes but they did last year already and the result was the Rams were 7th in rushing yards and 6th in yards per carry.

    So personally, I think the idea that ball control passing is somehow wrong, primitive, or less effective does not hold up. PLUS as I said it’s part of who the Rams are to take shots anyway…they don’t just do ball control passing.

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    #52295
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i just want them to be effective. effective enough that defenses can’t just unload on gurley.

    #52297
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    http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article99997087.html
    49ers expect big things from the two towers, Armstead and Buckner

    By Matt Barrows

    mbarrows@sacbee.com
    SANTA CLARA

    Looking for a dominant defensive lineman? Try a basketball gym.

    That’s where you could find Jerry Azzinaro, now the 49ers defensive-line coach, during the 2012 recruiting season.

    Azzinaro, then the defensive-line coach at Oregon, first traveled to Sacramento, where he watched Arik Armstead muscle his way through the paint for Pleasant Grove High School in the Sacramento High Tournament.

    Then he hopped on a plane to Hawaii and saw DeForest Buckner and his Punahou School teammates dominate a game in which Buckner had 12 points, 13 rebounds and a blocked shot.

    “Oh, I remember the game,” Buckner said. “I had a couple of dunks in it, too.”

    Azzinaro and then Ducks coach Chip Kelly weren’t seeking bulk that winter. They wanted athleticism, big guys who had stamina, players who used their hands well and understood leverage. Most of all, they longed for length.

    “You can cover more space,” Kelly said in February about his preference for tall players. “That’s always been the philosophy I tried to recruit to in college.”

    Kelly and Azzinaro landed what they were looking for in Armstead and Buckner, but the coaches had only a year to work with their prized recruits. After the 2012 season, Kelly and Azzinaro left for the Philadelphia Eagles. Two years later, Armstead entered the NFL draft, leaving behind Buckner at Oregon.

    Now they’re back together in Santa Clara. The 49ers used the seventh pick in April to select Buckner, giving San Francisco a unique profile entering this season.

    When struggling NFL teams reset, they usually look for a quarterback and surround him with an array of offensive weapons.

    The 49ers have gone about it differently. Their top pick in the last four drafts has been a defensive player, and their two most recent, Armstead and Buckner, are near twins: 6-foot-7 defensive linemen who not only played together in college but became best friends there.

    Linebacker NaVorro Bowman is the most accomplished and recognizable member of San Francisco’s defense. But the 49ers are betting everyone on defense – from Bowman to the edge pass rushers to the secondary – will flourish behind two skyscraping defensive linemen.

    You can cover more space. That’s always been the philosophy I tried to recruit to in college.

    49ers coach Chip Kelly, on his preference for tall players
    GOING BIG IS OLD SCHOOL

    A two-tower line isn’t a new concept in the NFL.

    In the 1960s, Ernie “Big Cat” Ladd and Buck Buchanan – 6-9 and 6-7 – played together for the Kansas City Chiefs. Ladd also had a career with the World Wide Wrestling Federation, in which he faced other giants, including Andre The Giant.

    The Dallas Cowboys’ “Doomsday Defense” of the 1970s and ’80s featured 6-6 George Andrie, 6-9 Ed “Too Tall” Jones and 6-5 Harvey Martin.

    Like Kelly and Azzinaro, the Cowboys looked for height, targeting guys such as Jones, who went to Tennessee State to play basketball, and Andrie, whose college, Marquette, dropped football before his senior year.

    “We were essentially drafting a big, tall guy who was an athlete,” Gil Brandt, the Cowboys’ personnel director for three decades, said of Andrie. “We drafted him and gave him something like 250 bucks and said, ‘Here, go get a membership to a health club. Start working on getting bigger and stronger.’ That’s how we did things in the old days.”

    Brandt said that in 1981 – when the Cowboys’ season ended at Candlestick Park thanks largely to a certain catch by 49ers wide receiver Dwight Clark – the Cowboys led the league with 37 interceptions, despite a secondary that included a 12th-round pick, two undrafted rookies and a former college wide receiver.

    That ragtag group did so well because opposing quarterbacks must have felt they were throwing into an oak forest.

    “I think the reason we had such good success with that group was because of the difficulty of throwing the ball over these big, tall guys,” Brandt said.

    FRIENDS SINCE FRESHMAN DAYS

    The 49ers are looking for a similar dynamic.

    They want talented defensive lineman who can rattle opposing quarterbacks into turnovers. And they want a deep group that can handle the long minutes Kelly’s defenses often play because his rapid-fire offense is on and off the field so quickly.

    Armstead and Buckner are accustomed to the pace.

    When Azzinaro was recruiting Buckner and Armstead, he told them the Ducks like to rotate their defensive linemen. If they worked their way to the second string, he promised, they’d play as freshmen.

    Buckner was sold.

    All three of us – me, Alex (Balducci) and Arik (Armstead) – were roommates throughout college. To be here with our old coaching staff – it’s crazy.

    Defensive lineman DeForest Buckner, on his Oregon reunion as a 49er

    “He said if I got into a rotation with the twos, I’d be able to get at least 30-something snaps a game,” Buckner said. “And I said, ‘Oh, man, that’d be nice. Being able to play as a true freshman? It’s a great opportunity.’ ”

    The duo got more than that in 2012.

    After a slew of injuries on the defensive line, Oregon relied heavily on Armstead and Buckner in a game against Cal. A week later, Armstead, Buckner and fellow freshman defensive lineman Alex Balducci started for the top-ranked Ducks in a pivotal game against No. 14 Stanford.

    “We were 10-0 getting ready to play Stanford,” Azzinaro said. “If we win that game, we’re going to the national championship. I think I lost five defensive linemen the week before. So we started three true freshmen: DeForest, Balducci and Arik.”

    Oregon lost 17-14 in overtime, but the shared experience forged a friendship among the three defenders. After that season, they lived together in a house off campus until Armstead left for the NFL following the 2014 season.

    Now the three are back together.

    Balducci, a nose tackle at Oregon, wasn’t drafted in April, but the 49ers signed him as a free agent and moved him to center. He has a good shot to end up on the 49ers’ practice squad, where he would line up against his college buddies during the week.

    “It’s nuts seeing how everything came full circle,” Buckner said. “Before my first NFL game (at Levi’s Stadium), I played here twice. I played against Cal, and I played in the Pac-12 championship here. All three of us – me, Alex and Arik – were roommates throughout college. To be here with our old coaching staff – it’s crazy.”

    Matt Barrows: @mattbarrows, read more about the team at sacbee.com/sf49ers.

    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article99997087.html#storylink=cpy

    #52309
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    What I’m afraid of is seeing the same dink and dunk in the passing game that we saw in preseason.

    Defenses need to be kept guessing against us.

    I agree. We need a reliable deep threat as well as a mid range threat.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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