So what can the protestors accomplish?

Mackeyser wrote:

The start is Bernie’s platform.

That is a well articulated beginning with achievable goals. A lot of it was low hanging fruit like Medicare for All, student loan forgiveness and a host of other policies addressing issues of class and race.

We accomplish that by starting a 3rd party and doubling or more the ground force that Bernie was able to put together.

Socialists via the labor movement fought for the weekend.

Not even the most die hard conservative is giving that back.

And we gotta start at all levels, we can’t wait for percolate up and we can’t expect national wins to just flow down.

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Well, black people had a chance to vote for Bernie. He was right there.
And they picked the “same old shit” candidate instead.
Explain that to me, Mack? 🙂

My own, dark, explanation is that the System dummed down black people. So they voted for Same-Old-Shit.
Just like the system dummed down white people — and we got Trump. Who was “even-worse-than-the-same-old-shit.”

Bernie…was…right…there. And they rejected him.

The protestors SAY they want change. They rejected change. They VOTED for the same-old-shit.

The system created an ebony-and-ivory-Idiocracy.

Sorry. I will shut up now.

Anywayz….doesnt Black Lives Matter have a list of Specific policies to change police depts?

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Battle between Mayor and Police Union

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Minny Police Union Goes Rogue:https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/05/29/in-minneapolis-a-police-union-gone-rogue/

Lives are on the line and nothing is going to change until cops are held in check.
by Nancy LeTourneau
May 29, 2020

“….To get some idea of the battle that goes on between the mayor and the police union, here is a story that was reported about a year ago.

In open defiance of Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, the union that represents the city’s roughly 900 rank-and-file police officers announced that it is partnering with a national police organization to offer free “warrior-style” training for any officer who wants it…

The announcement comes in response to Frey’s ban of the popular training style, which he first revealed in his State of the City address last week. Frey said at the time that Minneapolis would become the first department in the country to eliminate “fear-based” training…

Many policing agencies, including Minneapolis’, are moving toward “guardian”-oriented tactics, which focus on de-escalating tense situations and use of deadly force as a last resort. But opponents of this approach argue that such techniques endanger officers’ lives by teaching them to let their guard down.

So the mayor banned the use of this “warrior-style” training, with concurrence from the city’s police chief. But the union defied the ban and subsidized the training for officers anyway. It is also the police union that has defended Officer Derek Chauvin, the one who kept his knee on George Floyd’s neck for over seven minutes, when he was the target of 18 prior complaints.

I am sympathetic to those who claim that officers like Chauvin are the “bad apples” in departments where honorable men and women serve. I’ve personally known police officers who earned the title of being peace officers. But as they say, “the fish rots from the head,” and it is clear that the police union in Minneapolis went rogue a long time ago.

It is also worth noting that there is a political angle to all of this. Not only did Trump tweet that Mayor Frey is “very weak,” he went on to blast out the threat of “when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” I suspect that the president remembers what happened when he came to Minneapolis last fall.

Lt. Bob Kroll, the head of the Minneapolis police union, took the stage prior to President Donald Trump at a downtown rally Thursday night, praising the president for standing behind law enforcement.

“The mayor said the President wasn’t welcome but the Police Federation of Minneapolis begs to differ,” Kroll told the rally crowd.

Kroll, the president of the Minneapolis Police Federation, wore a bright red “Cops for Trump” T-shirt, and spoke at Target Center about how the president supports police departments across the country as they face scrutiny following years of high-profile police shootings.

“The Obama administration and the handcuffing and oppression of police was despicable,” Kroll said. “The first thing President Trump did when he took office was turn that around … he decided to start let cops do their job, put the handcuffs on the criminals instead of (on) us.”

That would be the same president who likes to talk about “the good old days.”…see link…

Zooey wrote:

Ball and Saagar interviewed a black man after South Carolina, or Super Tuesday, some guy from the South. I don’t remember if he was a professor, or what his credentials were, but he said blacks in the South voted for Biden because they simply weren’t going to trust a white man’s promises (Sanders) since they are beyond allowing themselves to hope that one day a white man will actually keep his promise to do something. They know Biden isn’t going to change anything, but at least he isn’t promising to change anything, so they know what they will get with him.

He actually made a pretty interesting case for that.

I just searched for the video, but couldn’t find it. It would probably help if I remembered his name.

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Yeah, I have watched a lot of Funky-Academic’s vids over the last month, but I dont really buy what he’s selling on this topic. I can only speculate wildly, but immho, he is doing all kinds of mental-contortion to avoid the conclusion that many many blacks were dummed-down and consequently voted against their own interest. Just like with Whites.

I just dont buy the notion that blacks voted for Biden because they knew Biden was not going to do shit. And they liked that.

They voted for Biden (imho) because Biden is connected to Obama. And they voted for Obama because he is black, and because they were dummed down enough to think that Mr Black-Corporate-Goldman-Sachs was on their side.

In an idiocracy its not only Whites who have been idiot-ized. Blacks are not immune to Corporate Propaganda. And the funky academic just cant come out and say it.

I think guys like Adolph Reed Jr. might very well come out and say it if he were asked.

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Mackeyser wrote:

The thing, WV, is that in a nuanced argument, you’re right, but that language is also used by Republicans in an outright racist manner and Democrats in a dog whistle racist manner.

There’s a whole thing about “ignorant blacks” not being smart enough to understand politics, the infantilization of the African Americans, especially black men, while at the same time holding them as being violent and inherently criminal.

So, even if just from a language perspective, and I hear and share your frustration about the unfortunate efficacy of propaganda, I really can’t go with you with respect to “dumbing down older African Americans”.

Totally agree 100% about the corporatocracy/idiocracy argument. And yes, with a combination (that isn’t based on race) of a lack of curiosity as well as terribly efficacious propaganda, we have people who think they are acting in their own best self interest.

I just have to be mindful about the history of that argument and the issues it has with respect to race.

And, no, absolutely not, do I think that you’re wrong on the pure math of it.

But it reminds me of that Chris Rock bit, “I hate N****rs”. He stopped doing it not because he stopped believing that there weren’t some trifling idiots who fuck everything up for those who just wanna live, but because it was partly being hijacked to justify racism.

I don’t wanna leave that possibility with this argument.

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Oh, believe me, i get what yer saying. Thats why I dont go too many sentences without writing about White people being dummed-down. And then I always make sure to emphasize the argument is about propaganda and its effectiveness, not about race, or IQ etc etc.

But yeah, i know. I only get on this subject when I talking to people i trust.
Most of the time, i just bland-i-fy it down to “Capitalist propaganda leads to people voting against their own interest.” Which is just another way of saying it.

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