So if Trump wins you want to go to Canada?

wv wrote:

He’s against NAFTA and those hideous trade agreements, right? I do
like that about him. Or am i wrong about that?

w
v

No, you’re right. You do like that about him.

Trump wants a lot of things that sound great to have, things that sound like he is leveling the playing field for poor little old USA, but really that’s all he does. And these are things even he as president cannot do on his own or doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of actually achieving because he has no plan, no path toward doing it. He thinks he is the world’s greatest deal maker, like all he has to do is sit down with Bin Laden’s ghost and convince him to disband the ISIS because it’s a bad deal for the USA. People need to realize that Trump is all campaign and no leadership, unless people just want to vote for the guy with the best rhetoric and sloganeering. Just like had praise for Hillary five years ago and just said things out of his ass because that’s how you do business, by telling people what they want to hear, how do you trust what he is saying now?

I trust Trump wants to get things done for working people. That alone is enough to get my vote.

Yes. He wants to get things done for them. Like continue screwing them over, which was how he made his fortune, at least that part beyond his tens of millions in inheritance.

It is impossible for anyone to make billions without screwing over workers. Mathematically and physically impossible. If the capitalist pays his or her workers fair compensation for the surplus value they generate, there is not enough money left over for the capitalist to accrue his or her fortune. That’s just math.

Trump has absolutely no intention of helping working people. He’s never shown the slightest concern for them, and has always radically suppressed their wages. Again, that’s how he got rich beyond his original inheritance.

That said, if you listen to his speeches, really listen, there is nothing there about actual policies. It’s all word salad, all too much like Sarah Palin, who pretty much mainstreamed political world salad for the current generation. Trump’s speeches are mostly incoherent, and his fans must be projecting their own fears and dreams onto what he says, because he has never actually described what he would do in concrete terms. Just that “It will be the greatest ever,” because he’s supposedly “the greatest deal maker” blah blah blah.

It’s truly incredible that anyone falls for his nonsense — not to mention the fact that his rhetoric is at least fascist lite.

snowman wrote:

… People need to realize that Trump is all campaign and no leadership…
… just said things out of his ass because that’s how you do business, by telling people what they want to hear…

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Well, Reagan didnt have a plan either, and just told people what
they wanted to hear, and he got himself elected that way.

So that formula can work just fine.

w
v

I hope we as a nation have learned a few things over the past 35 years.

At least Ronnie didn’t get off on inciting violence through insults.

bnw wrote:

snowman wrote:

I trust Trump wants to get things done for working people. That alone is enough to get my vote.

This made me laugh out loud!

Because the joke is on you. Working people are fed up. Good jobs are what matters not the skin color or gender of a candidate.

I agree that working people who consider themselves republican are fed up. Fed up with their choices for the nomination so much that they vote for the loudest, angriest, political outsider on the ticket.

Still no answer as to how Trump will bring lost jobs back to America-just that he says he will.

I’m not sure you have an understanding as to the root cause behind the lost jobs. The leading cause is currency manipulation which is the driving force behind U.S.trade deficits. What this does is artificially lower the cost of U.S. imports while raising the cost of U.S. exports. This has been going on because foreign companies led by China has been purchasing foreign assets to the tune of $1 trillion a year. Any first year student in Finance can tell you that by doing so will suppress the value of their own currencies. The result is that our businesses that depend on manufacturing will look abroad for its workforce. Maybe ending currency manipulation is in Trump’s plans and if so according to recent studies roughly 4 million jobs can be created of which 40% would be in manufacturing. But I haven’t heard anything on this subject from him or for that matter any of the candidates.

There is also the issue of fair trade laws which could prevent or at least reduce the flood of illegally dumped and subsidized imports of steel and other manufactured products.

Moreover,our own consumer demand has lessened since the onset of the great recession under the last Republican administration. That impacts the creation of jobs in a big way too. We also have a huge infrastructure shortfall. Studies have shown we could create up to 3 million jobs by investing roughly $3 trillion One small step would be to approve a multi-year extension of federal transportation funding which is currently being held up in the House of Representatives. I wonder why?

It is all quite complicated and there are no simplistic answers. Actually, there are plenty of those. I’ve read that we have lost over 5 million jobs since 2000. The primary reason for this loss is the growing trade deficits and the shortfall in demand caused by the the Great Recession. One way to stem the loss and perhaps actually create jobs is to end currency manipulation and unfair trade and begin to rebuild U.S. infrastructure-all of which would increase the demand for manufactured products and hopefully returned to lost jobs.

Now see-even a lay person (me) who only reads a few financial periodicals can at least come up with something on the question of manufacturing job loss. It shouldn’t be too difficult for a candidate to the Presidency to at least try.

How would Trump stop the hemorrhaging? He has no plan. He’s never actually discussed what he would do, beyond “I make really great deals!! Trust me!!”

His followers go on nothing more than faith in a carnival huckster and rank bigot. He’s never come remotely close to telling you how he’s going to do these amazing things. None of his biggest supporters know what he would do. They’ve just read between his word salad speeches and projected their own fears and dreams on Trump.

I challenge any of them to actually say, in concrete terms, what the guy would do to make life better for American workers — or the nation in general. Playing Mussolini isn’t going to do that. Blocking Muslims from coming into the country isn’t going to do that. “Shutting down” minorities isn’t going to do that. Etc.

bnw wrote:

Keep up with the BS because it only makes Trump’s appeal greater at the ballot box.

What BS? I told the truth. Trump has never actually come out with any policies. You can’t possibly know what he would do to supposedly help workers, because he’s never told you.

If I’m wrong about that, please detail his plan.

Beyond all of that, I’ve left out the other elephant in the room. I haven’t even gotten into the fact that he is beloved by white supremacists and pathologically bigoted Americans in general, or that he talks like he’s Mussolini half the time.

It should make most people pause, the things he’s said about Muslims, Hispanics, women. But at the very least, you should be concerned that he’s never actually discussed any policy he would enact, beyond the soundbites “It will be great!! Trust me!!” and ““we’ll have so much winning, you’ll get bored with winning.”

Where is the policy, much less the specifics?

Here’s an article from a periodical I subscribe too and have a lot of respect for-The Economist. It points out how our trade agreements have been impacted by the globalization of economy and not a result of any party politics in this country. Moreover, the article addresses how Trump’s protectionism will have a tragic impact on the very people you believe he will protect. It also provides a path to improve our job losses w/o losing the clear benefits that our free trade agreements made under both Republican and Democratic leaderships have provided. It’s worth the read.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21695879-case-free-trade-overwhelming-losers-need-more-help-open-argument

This board has done us proud by avoiding the kind of terrible antagomism we saw ruin its grand-father board, the old huddle political discussion forum.

Political discussions are passionate, but this time around we have said that the same discussion rules apply here as on the Rams board.

So far, in almost 2 years, that has been working.

I saw some things that MIGHT, if we were to get over-sensitive about it, get taken as almost verging on nearly going there (into antagonistic language). But so far, not really…no lines crossed.

So far so good.

It is actually something to be proud if. The candidates themselves haven’t been as good as we have.