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  • #31158
    Zooey
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    I haven’t followed this. I know the extremists hated Boehner for not screwing up government enough, but what happens if they get their wish and some bull-headed nitwit gets the job?

    I guess the party survived both Gingrich and Boehner, but this is going to be interesting.

    Too bad there’s actually stuff that matters at stake.

    #31166
    PA Ram
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    Hard to believe that Boehner may look like a moderate pretty soon. This is just more of the Tea Party Frankenstein monster they created devouring their own. Look at the presidential candidates. They set something loose they can no longer control.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #31172
    Zooey
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    Well, Boehner was not a moderate in any sense other than the fact that he did reside in reality based politics. He did want to get deals done. I think he believed the shutdown was a bad idea.

    And his replacement, although more conservative than Boehner (gag me), is also a resident of practical politics. The people he is aligned with ideologically aren’t, though. There are about 50 Republicans who are just nuts, who think shutting down the government is actually a good idea. They are the “drown it in the bathtub” crowd. Stunning to think nearly 10% of congress actually hates government that much.

    In any event, that party may just end up eating its own over the next decade, but there’s just so many of them, and they are just so rich, I’m afraid they can continue causing damage indefinitely.

    #31492
    wv
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    Well, Boehner was not a moderate in any sense other than the fact that he did reside in reality based politics. He did want to get deals done. I think he believed the shutdown was a bad idea.

    And his replacement, although more conservative than Boehner (gag me), is also a resident of practical politics. The people he is aligned with ideologically aren’t, though. There are about 50 Republicans who are just nuts, who think shutting down the government is actually a good idea. They are the “drown it in the bathtub” crowd. Stunning to think nearly 10% of congress actually hates government that much.

    In any event, that party may just end up eating its own over the next decade, but there’s just so many of them, and they are just so rich, I’m afraid they can continue causing damage indefinitely.

    Who is gonna be the Republican nominee for Prez ?

    Is it possible it will actually be
    Bernie vs Trump ? That would mean there
    really was a difference in the two main choices this time.

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    #31607
    Zooey
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    I don’t think either Sanders or Trump will get the nomination. The DNC isn’t going to want Sanders, and the Super Delegates aren’t going to want Sanders. The RNC isn’t going to want Trump.

    I dunno.

    Clinton v. Rubio? Or Biden if he runs?

    This is an interesting horse race. While there is a lot of popular desire for an “outsider” this cycle, all of the outsiders appear kooky to the mainstream. You know, Obama managed to be an establishment guy who convinced voters he was Fresh Blood. I just don’t see a candidate this time who can replicate that. Sanders and Trump are not establishment guys, and the establishment, as well as the majority of American voters, do not want to go that far afield. As you know, even a lot of the Liberal Democrats are conservative. Can you imagine Waterfield voting for Sanders? I can’t. He will feel more comfortable with Biden or Clinton.

    It’s gonna be an interesting 6 months.

    BTW, I read somewhere that Boehner could lock up financing for the rest of Obama’s term before he leaves, thus preventing a government shutdown even after he is gone. I didn’t read the details on that, but that would be an interesting move.

    #31627
    wv
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    I don’t think either Sanders or Trump will get the nomination. The DNC isn’t going to want Sanders, and the Super Delegates aren’t going to want Sanders. The RNC isn’t going to want Trump.

    I dunno.

    Clinton v. Rubio? Or Biden if he runs?

    This is an interesting horse race. While there is a lot of popular desire for an “outsider” this cycle, all of the outsiders appear kooky to the mainstream. You know, Obama managed to be an establishment guy who convinced voters he was Fresh Blood. I just don’t see a candidate this time who can replicate that. Sanders and Trump are not establishment guys, and the establishment, as well as the majority of American voters, do not want to go that far afield. As you know, even a lot of the Liberal Democrats are conservative. Can you imagine Waterfield voting for Sanders? I can’t. He will feel more comfortable with Biden or Clinton.

    It’s gonna be an interesting 6 months.

    BTW, I read somewhere that Boehner could lock up financing for the rest of Obama’s term before he leaves, thus preventing a government shutdown even after he is gone. I didn’t read the details on that, but that would be an interesting move.

    You are probably right,
    but then, I didnt expect Bernie (or trump) to do
    nearly as well as they’ve been doing — so, I dunno.

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    #31646
    Zooey
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    You are probably right,
    but then, I didnt expect Bernie (or trump) to do
    nearly as well as they’ve been doing — so, I dunno.

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    Yeah, but I think Trump has peaked. I don’t think his numbers can go up. The guy is running entirely on pathos. There is no logos there, and no ethos that has yet to be discovered. If anything, his ethos is going to go down. Unless he starts talking sensibly.

    I mean…a wall. Seriously. How much is that going to cost? And don’t they have ladders in Mexico? I think they do. So how high are you going to build it? And how are going to stop people from scaling it? And how deep are you going to build it because there have already been multiple tunnels dug under the border, so you’re going to have to burrow down, too.

    And then there’s going around it in a boat. Unless you are building the wall around the entire gulf of Mexico coast and up the Atlantic and Pacific coasts.

    I’m just thinking…not so practical.

    The angry and crazy people have already found him. There aren’t going to be more converts from this point forward. He’s just running on, “Shoot! We’ll fix that.”

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