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April 9, 2018 at 1:51 am #85016
znModeratorSnead on His Willingness to Trade/MMQB
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/09/nfl-draft-prospects-gil-brandt-dallas-mmqb-peter-king
• Snead on his willingness to trade more than his predecessors, and on the willingness of a cadre of young GMs to do the same: “You know, that’s an interesting question, and to start with, I don’t think you can ever be reckless because—let’s go way back to 2012. You know we traded the No. 2 pick overall to the Redskins that ended up being known as the RG3 [Robert Griffin III] deal, but the whole purpose of that was to acquire as many draft picks as possible. We got to build a young core because at that point it’s nearly, let’s call it 26 players of the 53 who finished on that 2011 Rams team never played in the NFL again, so you knew we had we had to replenish this with a good core, and over the years you draft it, but last year we tipped into let’s call it being a “legit contender.” So at that point, you’re well aware, wait a minute, we want to sustain this, we want to keep contending. And, I’ll always say this, I got a simple rule: You can’t be scared in this league. Look at Doug Pederson this year and, it wasn’t reckless but it took courage and guess what? They won a Super Bowl on some of those fourth-down plays. So you try to do that as a general manager, but I also think, and this is long-winded answer, some of the analytics that you have now to really look at what historically draft picks bring you in reality over time …”
Me: “You’ve basically looked at draft choices as tools in the toolbox. That’s how I kind of look at your thing: You’re not wedded to your draft picks.”
Snead: “Right. You should be my interpreter.
April 9, 2018 at 2:03 am #85017znModerator26 players of the 53 who finished on that 2011 Rams team never played in the NFL again
That’s not accurate. He’s misremembering. He’s putting the “out of football” number at 49%. That’s not the number.
From an old post:
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July 25, 2014As a minor point, sometimes people go, well, look at the 30 players Fisher cut who are no longer in football. Actually that one is very misleading. More than half of those players were a combination of career ending injuries (like Clayton), guys who left football in spite of having offers (Brown, Bell), AND in-season injury replacements. The Rams had a long, long list of in-season injury recplacements in 2011, and those guys are ALREADY out of football when you sign them or they wouldn’t be available IN-SEASON in the first place. Actually the truth is there were more than 30 players that made the roster initially in 2011 who are STILL in football. And the players who initially made the roster in 2011, got dumped by Fisher, and are no longer in football? It’s half that number [28.3% of the original 53].
April 9, 2018 at 10:48 am #85018
HramParticipantI don’t think you draft players to be on your team anymore.
I think you acquire players, one way is through the draft, to be on your teams for their current (or pendimg like Cooks) contract.
It’s a subtle difference that may cause draft picks to be more or less important depending on a couple things like where you are at on the “really actually competitive window” curve.
Enough draft picks don’t pan out that in some ways it negates the cheap labor on the rookie deal that you drafted yourself argument. Maybe, somewhat.
April 9, 2018 at 1:11 pm #85019znModeratorI don’t think you draft players to be on your team anymore.
I think you acquire players, one way is through the draft, to be on your teams for their current (or pendimg like Cooks) contract.
It’s a subtle difference that may cause draft picks to be more or less important depending on a couple things like where you are at on the “really actually competitive window” curve.
Enough draft picks don’t pan out that in some ways it negates the cheap labor on the rookie deal that you drafted yourself argument. Maybe, somewhat.
I think that;s absolutely right on.
To me that means that the Rams will be doing this off-season opportunism thing every year.
April 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm #85022
joemadParticipant26 players of the 53 who finished on that 2011 Rams team never played in the NFL again
that number also caught my eye from the article, so I went through that dismal 2-14 roster from 2011 and sorted the players that didn’t play for the Rams in 2012.
QB AJ Feeley, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
QB Tom Brandstater, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
RB Cadillac Williams didn’t play NFL football after 2011
RB Jerious Norwood didn’t play NFL football after 2011
KR Quinn Porter didn’t play NFL football after 2011
WR Dominique Curry didn’t play NFL football after 2011, PS with Lions
PR Nick Miller didn’t play NFL football after 2011, PS with Eagles
WR Brandon Lloyd yes, played with NE
WR Danario Alexander yes, played with SD
FB Benjamin Guidugli no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011, PS with Giants
TE Billy Bajema yes, Super Bowl ring with Ravens
TE Stephen Spach no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011, cut by Jags
C/G Jason Brown no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
G/C Tony Wragge no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
G/C Bryan Mattison yes, played with KC
G Keven Hughes no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
Thomas Welch, I never heard of this guy
T/G Adam Goldberg, no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011… and no he’s not Chandler Bing’s weird roommate from friends, nor the guy for Private Ryan, nor Dazed and Confused.
T Mark LeVoir no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
DT Gary Gibson Yes, played with Bucs
DT Justin Bannan Yes, with Broncos
DE James Hall no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
DT Fred Robbins no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
DE CJ Ah You no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
LB Bryan Kehl Yes, but KC cut him after 3 games
LB Brady Poppinga Yes, with Dallas
LB David Nixon no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011, PS with Panters
LB Chris Chamberlain no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011 IR with Saints
CB Justin King yes, with Steelers
CB Rod Hood no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
CB Nate Ness yes, with Panthers
CB Chris Smith no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
S James Butler no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
CB Josh Gordy yes, Colts
K Josh Brown yes, pro bowler in 2015
P Donnie Jones yes, SB ring Philly 2017
CB Brian Jackson IR i’m not sure
CB Jerome Murphy IR yes, played
CB Ron Bartel yes, Da Raiduhs
CB Marquis Johnson (iR) no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
CB Al Harris (IR) no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
CB Bradley Fletcher, yes, played for NE in 2015
RB Britt Miller no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011 (cut in 2012)
LB Josh Hall (IR) yes, played in 2012, but cut in 2013
G Jacob Bell (IR) no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011 (PS Bengals
T Jason Smith yes, but cut by Jets in 2013
TE M. Hoomanawanui yes, played in 2012
WR Greg Salas yes, played in 2012
WR Mark Clayton no, didn’t play NFL football after 2011
April 9, 2018 at 3:22 pm #85023znModeratorgh that dismal 2-14 roster from 2011 and sorted the players that didn’t play for the Rams in 2012.
That’s a lot of work and it’s useful. But strictly speaking, the claim Snead made is not “didn’t play for the Rams.”
He said were not in football at all in 2012.
Given that, he’s wrong about his numbers. Not that it’s a big deal or a stunning indictment. He’s just wrong.
Besides the 2011 roster was not “dismal,” it was injured. One of the most injured Rams teams we have ever seen. According to Football Outsiders, the 2011 Rams had the single most injured offense since 2002 (why 2002? because that’s as far back as they looked.) And that doesn’t even count the 10 CBs they lost. Not that they HAD 10 CBs…they LOST 10 CBs. Most teams don’t even carry 10 CBs in camp.
This summed up the season perfectly. At the end of the season with Bradford hurt again, they signed Clemens. Feeley then got hurt and Clemens started…11 days after signing. And. Got injured. It was that kind of year.
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April 9, 2018 at 5:43 pm #85032
snowmanParticipantSeems like we have always had good kickers and punters. Was Jake McQuaide the long snapper then?
April 9, 2018 at 6:41 pm #85033znModeratorSeems like we have always had good kickers and punters. Was Jake McQuaide the long snapper then?
You mean in 2012? Yeah that was McQuaide. He became the Rams LS in 2011.
Since 2002, Rams have had 2 long snappers. Massey and McQuaide.
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