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  • #10590
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Since 1990, the Rams have had 4 seasons with a winning record.

    In that span, they have had 13 seasons in which they had 10 or more losses.

    This year will make it 14 double-digit loss seasons in 25 years.

    In only 3 of those seasons did the Rams win a playoff game. Out of 4 postseason appearances.

    In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, the Rams failed to win a Super Bowl. But it was almost always a team to be proud of. Nobody wanted to play the Rams.

    I don’t think I have a point to make. I am just at a loss that a football team could be this bad, this often, for so long.

    How about those Kings, huh? That’s a good hockey team down there.

    #10591
    Avatar photozn
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    I don’t see this team as “bad.” I see it as astonishingly unlucky. For example, not every team has had a 2011 to cope with–and Football Outsiders said the 2011 offense was the single-most injured offense since 2002 (which is as far as they went back).

    So not many teams have a 2011.

    This one has had two, within 4 years.

    That’s just freaking weird heavy bad, bad luck.

    The effect is the same as “being bad.” But still.

    It’s… the curse.

    s

    #10592
    PA Ram
    Participant

    Are we sort of like the Cubs fans of the NFL?

    We can take some pride in that. I think.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #10593
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    The World is treating me bad…

    • This reply was modified 10 years, 1 month ago by Avatar photoZooey.
    #10595
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I don’t see this team as “bad.” I see it as astonishingly unlucky. For example, not every team has had a 2011 to cope with–and Football Outsiders said the 2011 offense was the single-most injured offense since 2002 (which is as far as they went back).

    So not many teams have a 2011.

    This one has had two, within 4 years.

    That’s just freaking weird heavy bad, bad luck.

    The effect is the same as “being bad.” But still.

    It’s… the curse.

    Okay, sure. That’s true. But they kinda sucked before the OL got all Dresdened yesterday.

    #10596
    Dak
    Participant

    Yeah, I keep waiting for the tide to turn. This is always going to be the year.

    Sigh.

    There’s no guarantee that this group of players will ever get over the hump.

    #10597
    Avatar photozn
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    zn wrote:
    I don’t see this team as “bad.” I see it as astonishingly unlucky. For example, not every team has had a 2011 to cope with–and Football Outsiders said the 2011 offense was the single-most injured offense since 2002 (which is as far as they went back).

    So not many teams have a 2011.

    This one has had two, within 4 years.

    That’s just freaking weird heavy bad, bad luck.

    The effect is the same as “being bad.” But still.

    It’s… the curse.

    Okay, sure. That’s true. But they kinda sucked before the OL got all Dresdened yesterday.

    They had an OL that was not together because it didn’t play together in camp because they were recovering. They were starting their 3rd qb. So injuries were already taking their toll, sometimes in indirect ways (like a buncha recovering linemen not playing together as a unit).

    It is true that the defense kept making monumental mistakes of a kind only young players in a new system make.

    But this team was not “bad” at the level of talent or coaching. That’s not what I saw, anyway. I saw the effects of cohesion issues and injuries on offense, and I saw the “McDaniel effect” of young players in a new system on defense.

    They also dominated for stretches on both O and D.

    Teams that meet that overall description improve.

    Unless you injure them up beyond recognition.

    Same as 2011. They didn’t adapt quickly to the McD system, and by the time they were starting to, the St. Louis Reaper came and left injury devastation behind him.

    s

    #10599
    Avatar photoZooey
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    #10600
    Avatar photojoemad
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    Geez, based on the data above the RAMS suck, plain and simple.

    you can attribute it to bad luck, but you need to put yourself in position to get a lucky, with that being said you can also put yourself in position to be unlucky.

    It takes time to shed the ownership culture from Georgia and company. Let’s hope that Stan’s culture brings some smart stability over time to right the ship. I still wish they hired Marty Ball instead of Fisher, but I still that think Fisher can bring stability to the RAMS overtime.

    #10628
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    i wonder what stan kroenke thinks of this team.

    #10632
    OahuRam
    Participant

    I don’t see this team as “bad.” I see it as astonishingly unlucky. For example, not every team has had a 2011 to cope with–and Football Outsiders said the 2011 offense was the single-most injured offense since 2002 (which is as far as they went back).

    So not many teams have a 2011.

    This one has had two, within 4 years.

    That’s just freaking weird heavy bad, bad luck.

    The effect is the same as “being bad.” But still.

    It’s… the curse.

    s

    With the injury argument I will give you the thumping we will take for the rest of the season. But not games 1-6. Bradford and Long were the only ones missing. We got good QB play from Davis so Bradford’s injury was covered. Unless you think losing Chris Long made them lose all those games, I don’t think we can use the injury bug to explain the first 4 losses

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    #10634
    Avatar photozn
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    zn wrote:
    I don’t see this team as “bad.” I see it as astonishingly unlucky. For example, not every team has had a 2011 to cope with–and Football Outsiders said the 2011 offense was the single-most injured offense since 2002 (which is as far as they went back).

    So not many teams have a 2011.

    This one has had two, within 4 years.

    That’s just freaking weird heavy bad, bad luck.

    The effect is the same as “being bad.” But still.

    It’s… the curse.

    With the injury argument I will give you the thumping we will take for the rest of the season. But not games 1-6. Bradford and Long were the only ones missing. We got good QB play from Davis so Bradford’s injury was covered. Unless you think losing Chris Long made them lose all those games, I don’t think we can use the injury bug to explain the first 5 losses

    Yeah the 1st 1/3rd of the season was a different thing. I said a lot what I thought it was, mostly having to do with confidence and execution issues and the McDaniels effect on defense, and so on.

    #10636
    HighPlainsDrifter
    Participant

    I feel your pain, Zooey. I need to experience a football season in which the team I support is relevant again before I die, and with each year that passes in which that is not the case just makes the frustration that much more intense. And I do consider this a “bad” team. An awful team, in fact. Not that there isn’t a fair amount of individual talent on the roster, but they have no clue how to bring those talents together for the team’s benefit. And their coaches don’t seem to be able to bring them together. And I am losing my inclination to spend much time on them. If it doesn’t mean enough to them to learn to play the game on a professional level, why should mean that much to me? I can find other games to watch involving teams that get it. I saw a local meteorologist give his weather forecast last night from a maze cut through a cornfield. He wandered around cluelessly for about an hour and a half before someone came in and got him out. Naturally, the Rams came to mind. I just wonder who’s going to come into the maze and bring them out. “Career suicide” comes to mind. I don’t know. They’ve worn me out. I can’t stand to look at them.

    #10639
    PA Ram
    Participant

    It was so frustrating watching the Rams put the Chiefs in 3rd downs only to watch them allow the Chiefs to convert the 3rd downs. It was maddening to watch the miscues, bad kickoffs, missed field goals, inability to fall on fumbles(again), interceptions and on and on and on.

    Week after week we see it.

    That has to wear down any fan.

    I like watching other games just to see some good football.

    “Oh–that’s how it’s done. That’s what it looks like. Hmmmm.”

    Fortunately I’ve hit the emotional dead zone now. I watch the Rams with a clinical separation. The emotion is gone. They are bad. I expect them to be bad. I know I will see them being bad. I sort of note their miscues as I watch and shrug.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #10640
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    If it doesn’t mean enough to them to learn to play the game on a professional level, why should mean that much to me?

    Everyone is entitled to their view, and no one can tell another how to see things. But I do disagree with the idea that this doesn’t mean anything to them, or that they’re not trying, and so on. I don’t think it’s anything like that. I think that image of them is an expression of frustration and anger at them losing.

    #10646
    Avatar photowv
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    Since 1990, the Rams have had 4 seasons with a winning record.
    In that span, they have had 13 seasons in which they had 10 or more losses.
    This year will make it 14 double-digit loss seasons in 25 years.
    In only 3 of those seasons did the Rams win a playoff game. Out of 4 postseason appearances.
    In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, the Rams failed to win a Super Bowl. But it was almost always a team to be proud of. Nobody wanted to play the Rams.
    I don’t think I have a point to make. I am just at a loss that a football team could be this bad, this often, for so long.
    How about those Kings, huh? That’s a good hockey team down there.

    Yeah, it sucks alright.

    I got a feeling they come out
    mean and ornery against SF,
    but they wont be able to sustain
    it and things will get away from
    them again. Sigh.

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    v

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