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December 2, 2017 at 12:49 am #78206znModerator
This chicken scratch is actually in the GOP tax bill.
No, I haven’t had time to read the 500-page #GOPTaxScam bill that we’re voting on tonight. I couldn’t read it if I tried – and I did.
Posted by U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren on Friday, December 1, 2017
December 2, 2017 at 10:30 am #78215znModeratorDark Moment for America as Senate Passes Tax Bill in the Middle of the Night
51 Republicans ultimately voted for the 479-page bill that was being written – with hand-scrawled edits – on the fly Friday nightLong after midnight, following a chaotic scramble that saw tax legislation being re-written on the fly, with handwritten edits in the margins and full pages crossed out, Senate Republicans passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – a bill that would ultimately hike taxes on millions of middle-class Americans, swell the ranks of the uninsured by 13 million and explode deficits by $1.4 trillion in the first decade alone.
The winners in this bill are the Republican donor class: Corporations that would see their tax bills slashed by more than 40 percent – and get to bring home trillions in offshored profits at shamefully discounted tax rates as low as 7.5 percent; executives at companies with “pass through” earnings, who would get to deduct nearly a quarter of that income; heirs who would get richer from a doubling of the estate tax exemption, to $22 million for couples; and even private jet owners, who would get to deduct aircraft maintenance from their taxes.
With 51 Republican votes in favor of the tax bill, the final tally was close. Vice President Mike Pence wasn’t needed for final passage – though he did show up to break a tie vote for an amendment allowing tax deductible savings to be spent on private and religious K-12 schools.
The only GOP “no” vote on the bill was Tennessee’s retiring Bob Corker, who gets little credit for his resistance – days earlier, Corker had provided the pivotal committee vote allowing the bill to reach the floor. “I wanted to get to yes, Corker wrote in a statement. “But at the end of the day, I am not able to cast aside my fiscal concerns and vote for legislation” that he expects to “deepen the debt burden on future generations.”
The vote followed a day of wheeling and dealing, set in motion after an estimate released by the Joint Committee on Taxation on Thursday gave lie to the GOP’s claim that the tax plan would pay for itself by boosting America’s GDP. Even JCT’s “dynamic” scoring of the bill, which attempts to account for economic activity spurred by tax cuts, found it would cost $1 trillion over ten years.
Republicans first focused on trying to appease the deficit hawk, Corker – and considered reducing the corporate tax cut or adding a “trigger” that would reverse cuts if deficits swelled. But those talks foundered, and McConnell instead decided to buy off holdouts.
The final Senate bill increases the proposed tax break for pass-through income earners – a sop to Sens. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Steve Daines of Montana. Susan Collins of Maine appeared to get the most for her vote. Collins made the bill marginally less awful by insisting on an amendment to allow Americans to deduct up to $10,000 in state and local property taxes. (That deduction had been fully eliminated in the first version of the bill.) And Lisa Murkowski of Alaska won a provision to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling – or, as Murkowski put it, to “responsible energy development.”
Consider too the case of Sen. John McCain, who had made an impassioned plea for bipartisanship and “regular order” before he cast a deciding vote against the GOP health care bill this summer. McCain curiously found he could stomach both fierce partisanship and legislative chaos for a bill that cuts taxes for corporations and the wealthiest. “After careful consideration,” he tweeted, “I have decided to support the Senate #TaxReform bill.” (In an epic subtweet, former McCain 2008 campaign strategist Steve Schmidt wrote, “Every Republican member who has spoken passionately about out-of-control spending or the importance of a return to the regular order who votes for this appalling tax bill was simply conning the American people.”)
In the mad dash to revise the bill, it turned into a Christmas tree full of gifts for special interests, according to Victor Fleischer, a respected tax professor at the University of San Diego. “Earmarks have mostly disappeared from Congressional spending bills,” Fleischer tweeted, “but they are out loud and proud in the tax bill.” One sweetheart deal appears to exempt a religious college in Michigan – supported by billionaire Education Secretary Betsy DeVos – from a new tax on college endowments.
The Senate bill was negotiated behind closed doors, with Democrats shut out entirely. “I saw that Corker’s a ‘no’ and Collins is a ‘yes’ – and I don’t know what they’re a ‘no’ or a ‘yes’ on,” Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy said on the Senate floor before the bill’s final draft emerged. After Oregon’s Ron Wyden expressed outrage that the bill couldn’t be read before the vote, Sen. Majority Leader McConnell insisted Wyden would have “plenty of time” to read – afterwards.
In a dark moment for American democracy, Republicans voted unanimously Friday night against postponing a final vote until Monday, which would have given senators and the public a chance to read and analyze the 479-page tax bill. What other special interest gifts are lurking in the fine print? Who benefits exactly? Who knows?!
The last best estimate we’re left with is the JCT scoring that shows that more than 80 percent of Americans wind up in 2027 with either a tax increase or a benefit of less than $100.
What happens now?
The House and the Senate have passed competing tax measures that are different in their details. The House bill, for example, fully eliminates the estate tax and punishes teachers and graduate students. (Read more about the winners and losers of the House bill here.) The Senate bill is the only version that eliminates the individual mandate in Obamacare, halting coverage for millions, and raising rates for those left in the system.
The bills may now head to a conference committee, where the two chambers could hammer out a synthesis bill. But given how unpopular the GOP tax plan is – as few as 1 in 4 Americans support it – a return trip to the closely divided Senate may prove problematic.
That means that the bill just passed under cover of night – the bill that nobody fully knows what’s in it – could end up being adopted, as is, by the House, and sent to president Trump to be signed into law.
“This is not over yet,” tweeted Senate Democrat Jeff Merkley of Oregon. “The House will still need to act on the Senate bill. It’s up to every American who believes in the ‘We the People’ vision of our democracy to stop this bill before it gets to the President’s desk.”
December 2, 2017 at 11:41 am #78218Billy_TParticipantI find it, to put it mildly, appalling, that the meme “tax cuts stimulate the economy and pay for themselves” is still peddled. In reality, tax cuts, by themselves, do nothing for the economy. Nothing. It’s just shifting where the money begins its effective journey through the economy — our one and only economy. And they can never pay for themselves. It’s mathematically impossible.
There are, of course, umpteen factors involved in “growth,” with a host of them in conflict, but the relevant factors are these:
1. Tax cuts force government to borrow in order to make up for the lost revenue.
2. Deficit spending — putting federal spending on the national credit card — is what “stimulates” the economy (temporarily; this must be paid back), not the tax cuts themselves.
3. If the government ever cut its spending in tandem with tax cuts, there would be no net stimulus. At best, it’s a wash. At best. It would then be removing X amount of spending on its side while the tax cuts spurred X amount of spending on the other side. Again, at best, a wash.
The media never tells the truth to the American people about this. There is no stimulus from tax cuts unless the government maintains current spending levels or increases them. The stimulus comes from the deficit spending, not the tax cuts. The tax cuts merely force the deficit spending.
Also, the entire “dynamic scoring” thing is a fraud. Because it doesn’t factor in paying for the deficit spending, or eventual cuts in spending down the road. It also doesn’t consider economic downturns, only potential “growth.” Our government data took a huge hit when the Republicans forced that into forecasting models.
December 2, 2017 at 12:30 pm #78223znModeratorDecember 2, 2017 at 1:39 pm #78229znModeratorDecember 2, 2017 at 9:54 pm #78246znModeratorDecember 2, 2017 at 9:56 pm #78247znModeratorDecember 3, 2017 at 10:53 am #78263Billy_TParticipantThis tax bill is another example of why it was always such a mistake to concentrate solely on Trump. The entire GOP is a menace to America. Actually, right-wing ideology itself is.
Also noticed how Cruz keeps lying about taxes in so many ways. Two examples stand out for me:
1. He says Kennedy wanted to cut taxes, and he wouldn’t even be allowed to be a Dem these days. Well, Kennedy didn’t cut taxes. Johnson did. And Cruz conveniently leaves out the part that Johnson cut the top rate from 91% to 70%, and our national debt was in the hundreds of billions, not trillions.
2. He keeps peddling the lie that Obama and the Dems were taxing us to death, even though Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent, a third of his stimulus was in the form of tax cuts, and he was forever offering up new stimulus packages with more business tax cuts. The GOP kept saying no. Personally, I think both parties need to end their obsessive social engineering via the tax code, and just do direct investment instead. Proactive, direct, no middlemen investment via the public sector. But both parties refuse to do this and the results of tragic.
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Americans are actually among the least taxed people on the planet (formatting not so good with the copy and paste):
Effective rates from the Motley Fool, by way of AOL:
1 to $25,000
$208
1.7%
$25,000 to $50,000
$1,871
5.2%
$50,000 to $100,000
$6,251
8.7%
$100,000 to $200,000
$16,977
12.6%
$200,000 to $500,000
$55,536
19.5%
$500,000 to $1 million
$173,678
25.8%
$1 million to $10 million
$632,146
29%
$10 million and above
$7,884,775
26.1%
Overall average
$9,118
13.9%
Data source: IRS Statistics of Income, 2014. Effective tax rates are calculated using the average AGI for each income group.
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