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February 24, 2018 at 4:55 pm #83118znModerator
Alden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer
CB Marcus Peters will cost $1.74M towards the salary cap in 2018, and the Rams will presumably pick up his fifth-year option before the May 3 deadline. They entered the offseason with a projected $40 million in cap space and added an impact player to their greatest position of need at minimal cost. It changes everything about their offseason. More money for S Lamarcus Joyner, DT Aaron Donald, WR Sammy Watkins, etc., and flexibility with how they attack the draft and free agency.
February 24, 2018 at 6:42 pm #83122HerzogParticipantMan, if you overpay for Tru (which seems like that is what it will take to keep him) than Peters is going to want serious cheddar in a couple of years.
That being said, I would let Watkins and Tacón go and Pat Tru. You could have a “Broncos/Seattle type secondary. What a defense this could be.
February 24, 2018 at 6:47 pm #83124wvParticipantThat being said, I would… Pay Tru. You could have a “Broncos/Seattle type secondary. What a defense this could be.
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It ‘would’ be great to have Tru and Peters.
Then you just sign Quinn and ADonald. And draft a great Pass-rusher…and…wow.
Then again, there’s still that LT situation. The one situation that
could wreck the whole season.w
vFebruary 24, 2018 at 7:55 pm #83125znModeratorThat being said, I would… Pay Tru. You could have a “Broncos/Seattle type secondary. What a defense this could be.
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It ‘would’ be great to have Tru and Peters.
Then you just sign Quinn and ADonald. And draft a great Pass-rusher…and…wow.
Then again, there’s still that LT situation. The one situation that
could wreck the whole season.w
vI don;t think they can afford Donald, Joyner, and Watkins, plus Tru, plus their draft pics, and keep Quinn.
That’s just too much to ask. The math goes wonky. Though we’ll see.
They can, though, draft a corner at 23 who would be a good 2018 starter.
In terms of LOT, I wouldn’t mind that either.
February 24, 2018 at 9:42 pm #83130Eternal RamnationParticipantI can imagine a now bored McVay pouring all that creative energy into trade/draft strategy pestering Snead night and day. After last season Quinn , Joyner, Watkins and even Donald will be less about the money imo. Maybe I didn’t put that right but I just don’t see these guys that have been great players on mediocre teams for half a dozen years in a big hurry to leave the current situation which I believe is on a Superbowl trajectory.
February 24, 2018 at 9:52 pm #83131AgamemnonParticipantFebruary 24, 2018 at 10:05 pm #83132JackPMillerParticipantI think it’s interesting (and odd) that the Rams refused to let Quinn be part of the deal.
By trading Quinn you get out from under the contract of a fading player that has back issues. Sure, Quinn came on strong later in the year, but he’s still simply a pure speed guy. He hasn’t mastered any pass rush moves beyond beating the tackle off the ball.
And you know it’s just a matter of time until he gets hurt.
I like Quinn a lot but I can’t help but think they missed an opportunity.
Maybe Snead believes he could get a some good picks for Quinn. We never know what is in the mind of our GM.
February 24, 2018 at 10:05 pm #83133InvaderRamModeratorLooks like, at this stage, they could take a corner at 23 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Tru and still have a very good, even top secondary.
i would be on board with that. they could field one of the best secondaries in the league.
maybe ebukam as a pass rusher.
i don’t know, but i feel like they’re close to fielding a very very possibly great defense. just a couple more pieces.
February 26, 2018 at 2:11 pm #83200znModeratorCooney: Reid gives Peters wakeup call
Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange
link: http://nfl.tsxfiles.com/2018/02/24/shocking-trade-from-chiefs-to-rams-a-wakeup-call-for-peters/
Controversy ramped up rapidly Friday when a pending deal was revealed that will trade Pro-Bowl cornerback Marcus Peters from the Kansas City Chiefs to the Los Angeles Rams.
Such transactions cannot be officially consummated until March 14, the official beginning of the 2018 NFL league year.
Peters is arguably one of the top three cornerbacks in the NFL and still on a rookie contract that for the Chiefs would have counted only $3 million against the cap, including a guaranteed base salary of $1.74 million. That is an outright steal in today’s NFL and Chiefs head coach Andy Reid is being ridiculed for making such a shocking move.
Not here. In an era where the NFL pretends to care about the conduct of players, Reid should be congratulated. We will get into the on-field ramifications later. First, let’s take a serious look at what is really happening.
Reid is giving Peters a much-needed wakeup call. How Peters’ career plays out in Los Angeles will be totally up to him. And he need only look at the lives and careers of two other NFL veterans to understand his choices for a future in the NFL and in life.
Peters’ history aligns closely with two other NFL defensive backs — Tyrann Mathieu of the Arizona Cardinals and Adam Jones of the Cincinnati Bengals.
Mathieu and Peters were both kicked out of college — Mathieu from LSU for failing too many drug tests (marijuana); and Peters from Washington for consistently defying team rules.
Jones wasn’t kicked out of college, but he was suspended from the NFL for an entire season for repeatedly violating the league’s conduct policy. That was in 2007.
Numerous arrests later, Jones is still trouble looking for someplace to happen. My lasting memory of Jones is from September of 2015 at the Oakland Coliseum when he straddled Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper on the ground after a play. Jones took Cooper’s helmet and bashed it against the wide receiver’s head. Amazingly, Jones wasn’t ejected for an act that was worthy of an arrest and jail time.
And then there is Mathieu, whose talents as LSU’s Honey Badger were so remarkable that the safety was a Heisman Trophy finalist as a true sophomore in 2011. But in 2012, LSU head coach Les Miles announced that Mathieu was dismissed from the team after failing too many drug tests. In October, Mathieu was arrested and began to realize he needed to change.
He threw away his cell phone — the umbilical cord that constantly tied him to bad influences — and hid out in Florida to get his body and mind in shape for football and life in general.
By February of 2013 a clean, sober, in-shape Mathieu took part in the NFL Scouting Combine. In March, he looked even better at LSU’s Pro Day. Although his issues in college erased his name on many NFL draft boards, the Cardinals took a chance and stole him in the third round, No. 69 overall.
Unfortunately, the combination of Mathieu’s size — only 5-foot-9, 186 pounds — and aggressive play has resulted in numerous injuries. But when he is healthy, Mathieu shows remarkable abilities, especially when it comes to causing turnovers.
On the field, Peters is a bigger version of Mathieu in terms of sensational ball skills. In three seasons, he has 19 interceptions in 45 games plus two in four playoff games. But his attitude and actions were obviously not acceptable to Reid, whose offseason moves are a neon sign that he is rebuilding the Chiefs.
And, regardless of Peters’ ability as a player, Reid does not want the wrong type of influence in his young locker room.
It definitely will be a young locker room seeking leadership and an identity. Alex Smith was traded so second year quarterback Patrick Mahomes can take over. The Chiefs have also moved on from 13-year inside linebacker Derrick Johnson, and he will test free agency.
So there were plenty of signs that Reid was going to deal Peters without even considering last season’s three unsportsmanlike fouls, two for unnecessary roughness, and the idiotic idea to throw an officials’ flag into the stands. Reid suspended Peters one game for that, which is probably when the die was cast.
In the pending trade that will send Smith to Philadelphia, it was no coincidence that the Chiefs named cornerback Kendall Fuller as part of the compensation. And the Chiefs signed cornerback David Amerson, previously with Washington and Oakland.
Neither of them has the ability of Peters, but that obviously was not the primary consideration.
We don’t yet know what the Rams gave up for Peters, but there is no denying they are getting one of the best shut-down corners in the NFL, and everything that comes with him. The Chiefs were faced with deciding whether to exercise their fifth-year option by May on Peters, who was a first-round pick in 2015. Now, the Rams will have the ability to do that; otherwise he will become an unrestricted free agent in March, 2019.
In 2018, the Rams are on the hook for his guaranteed salary, while the Chiefs will absorb as dead money the remaining prorated $1.3 million of his signing bonus.
If Peters wants to maximize this chance, he needs to heed the trade for what it is — a wakeup call. Maybe he can call Mathieu, who learned his lesson and once again carries a cell phone. Mathieu can tell Peters that it is worth the struggle to straighten up and warn him that the opportunity to backslide will always be there.
A year ago, while recovering from knee surgery, Mathieu was asked if all his injuries or setbacks could make him depressed enough to fall off the wagon and revert to his old ways.
“No, no, no,” he said. “Once you go through something like that and you experience the worst of it, you know you don’t want to go down that dark road ever again.”
Peters has All-Pro and even Hall of Fame ability. Whether he lives up to that potential is up to him.
–Frank Cooney is founder and publisher of The Sports Xchange, has covered football for six decades and is a selector for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
February 27, 2018 at 9:55 pm #83250znModeratorFor the Chiefs, Marcus Peters Wasn’t Worth the Trouble—and Only Three Other Teams Had Any Interest
PETER KING
Day by day, we learn more about the Chiefs-Rams trade that netted Los Angeles a 25-year-old star cornerback, Marcus Peters. On Monday, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported the terms of the deal: Kansas City dealt Peters to Los Angeles for a fourth-round pick this year (the 124th overall pick) and a second-round pick next year.
The compensation, even for a problem player like Peters, seemed light to me. The Rams won 11 games in 2017, and if they win a similar number next year, they’d likely have a second-round pick in the low 50s. So, let’s say Peters was acquired for the 124th pick in 2018 and 58th pick in 2019.
Seems like the Rams got a heck of a deal for a 25-year-old turnover-creating machine who’s been named to two Pro Bowls in his three seasons and was All-Pro in 2016.
Now I’ll tell you a few reasons why the compensation was as light as it was:
• I’m told the Chiefs called all 31 other teams in the league this month on Peters, looking for a trade partner, and 28 teams either said they were not interested or did not make an offer of any value. For a player with the playing history of Peters at a vital and hard-to-fill position, that’s amazing. One team made an offer of a mid-round pick, laughable for a player of Peters’ age and stature. (My guess is that was Cleveland or Indianapolis.) Two were in it until the end—the Rams and 49ers. And the Rams’ offer of second- and fourth-round picks was evidently better than San Francisco’s.
• The fact that a GM who knew Peters very well—Indianapolis’ Chris Ballard—did not pursue Peters hard for the Colts this month was viewed as telling by several other teams in the league. Ballard was the Chiefs’ director of player personnel in 2015, and visited Peters and his parents that spring at their Oakland home, before the draft. He was in favor of the Chiefs picking Peters, which they did in the first round of the 2015 draft, 18th overall. Clearly, Ballard would have a pipeline to the inner feelings of the Chiefs, and when he didn’t engage the Chiefs seriously, one source close to the deal said it was a telling sign. However, there is one counterpoint to this: Because the Colts are in full rebuilding mode, they’re not a great fit right now for a very good player who could be a handful, and who could leave in free agency in two years.
• Those around the Chiefs saw there was life after Marcus. The team played one of its best defensive games of the season last year without Peters. He got suspended for a game by the Chiefs for freaking out on the field in a Week 13 loss at the Jets, throwing a penalty flag into the stands and stalking off the field while the game was in play though he had not been ejected. The next week, without Peters, Kansas City held Oakland to 104 total yards and no points through 48 minutes, building up a 26-0 lead. The Chiefs won the game, 26-15.
• The fact that the Chiefs were calling every team in the league about Peters let teams know that Kansas City coach Andy Reid and GM Brett Veach were desperate to dump him.
• Peters’ behavior had become erratic, apparently, capped by the Week 13 meltdown in the Meadowlands. The Chiefs decided they couldn’t trust his behavior anymore and, despite his playmaking ability, felt whatever they could fetch for him in trade would be better than Peters returning in 2018.
• His protests during the national anthem didn’t help—at various points he raised his fist, sat on the bench and stayed in the locker room—but weren’t the driving force behind a trade.
• Peters loves football. He practiced hard in Kansas City. But his tendency to lose it was a divisive part of his résumé too, and a big reason why the Chiefs dumped him.
So, did the Rams make a bad trade?
I don’t think so. The Rams have a defensive coordinator, Wade Phillips, who has handled high-maintenance players, and who puts great cover corners like Peters in position to maximize their ability and earning power. Peters is due $10.7 million over the next two years, very reasonable for a player who at his peak is a shutdown cornerback and one of the best in the league. So even if the Rams don’t keep him after 2019, they’ve (theoretically) paid $10.7 million over two years for a cornerback who should be supremely motivated to be great. It’s the only way he’s going to get paid Revis money.
In the end, Peters’ temper and disposition probably cost him a long career in Kansas City. But talent always gets a second chance (and a third, if the talent is as big as Peters’), and the Rams are betting that Sean McVay and Phillips and a more forgiving environment will be a good new start for a very good player.
February 28, 2018 at 12:18 pm #83262snowmanParticipantI don’t pretend to know how the Rams front office works together with the coaching staff on player acquisition, but I gotta believe that Snead approached both McVay and Phillips about trading for Peters, and they gave the thumbs up after weighing the pros and cons of having him on the roster. For Snead and Demoff, it helps them manage the cap and gives them a lot more flexibility in the draft. For McVay and Phillips, it was about how they use him in the defense, how coach-able he is and what he will be like in the locker room.
February 28, 2018 at 1:16 pm #83270wvParticipantThe trade just makes perfect sense to me, given the totality of the circumstances. Ie, the Rams need at that position, the Rams being on the cusp of challenging for a title, the cap-space, the talent of the player in question, the wisdom of Wade, etc.
Reminds me a bit of the Randy Moss pickup by the Pats, years ago. It was a risk, but they were ready to make a serious run at a title.
Just makes perfect sense.
And its still a risk.
And btw, despite what the KC fans think — giving a 2nd round pick is not chicken-feed. Thats a premium pick. It aint ‘nuthin’. They can get a solid starter with that pick and the rams lose a solid starter for that pick.
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