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  • #37196
    zn
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    I have an odd critique of aspects of it.

    Other than that, the acting is superior (particularly Hardy, not just DiCaprio).

    And there is almost nothing like it visually.

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    #37207
    wv
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    I’ll be seeing it next week,
    probably.

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    #37272
    PA Ram
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    Saw “The Martian” finally. I enjoyed it better than the novel.

    I actually caught half “The Revenant” online. I may go to the theater this weekend to watch it on the big screen. I thought the bear attack was particularly chilling and it looked about as realistic as you could possibly get–without allowing a real live bear to tear someone apart.

    I am a city boy. Yes–there are gun fights and things of that nature. But I haven’t run into any bears. I’ll keep it that way. I’m with Colbert on this one:

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #37299
    snowman
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    I saw it too, zn. I liked the fact that it was set in a period of history that does not appear in film very often, I believe the 1820s or maybe a little later. The scenery reminded me of The Last Mohican, really beautiful and rugged.

    Brutal and absolutely believable fight scenes. I covered my face once during the scene where he is mauled by the bear.

    I wish the film had developed DiCaprio’s character a little more so we knew more about the bond with his son. I agree that Tom Hardy was very good too. Very believable mannerisms and speech.

    #37332
    zn
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    #37649
    wv
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    Saw the Rev tonight.

    Cinematography and music are oscar-worthy.

    Reminded me a lot of Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road.”
    With maybe some Jeremiah Johnson thrown in.

    The visuals of the harsh-but-beautiful landscapes are memorable.
    Everything is Harsh-but-Beautiful.

    The camera constantly pans up into the sky and asks
    “is there any God at all up there?” – and the drama
    on earth seems to answer, F### No!

    I thought Dicaprio was ok, but I could never quite
    buy into him being that tough. Seemed a bit of a stretch to me.
    I’da cast someone like Tom Waits or someone more beastly.

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    #37652
    nittany ram
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    I saw it too. Good movie. As is often the case, the villain was more interesting than the hero. Hardy was excellent. Not to say Dicaprio wasn’t good too, cuz he was.

    SPOILER ALERT

    The scene where Hardy tells DiCaprio that all he has to do is blink and he will end this and watching DiCaprio helplessly struggling not to… awesome scene.

    #37655
    wv
    Participant

    Excerpt of Spoiler article down below.

    It says though that Christian Bale was in line to make the movie
    at one point. I think he woulda been better, myself.

    Btw i did not know who the “Ree” were exactly. I guess they were the “Arikara” tribe. Not that I’ve ever heard of them.
    “…In Montana and South Dakota, there’s an odd variety of players in the zone, notwithstanding Pawnee Indians, and Arikara, with this tribe alluded to as the “Ree,” a slang term…”
    http://www.theminjo.com/movie-review-the-revenant-2015/

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    ——————–
    April 15 2014
    http://www.slashfilm.com/leonardo-dicaprio-revenant/
    …Deadline broke the news of DiCaprio’s full committal to the film. (He’d been loosely attached for some time.) Mark L. Smith wrote the latest adaptation and this’ll now be DiCaprio’s next movie.

    Before Inarritu came onboard in 2011, John Hillcoat and Christian Bale were close to making the movie; before them the team was Park Chan-wook and Samuel L. Jackson. Those are all very different versions of the same story, but demonstrate it’s something that someone in Hollywood is passionate about.

    So what’s the story of The Revenant? Here’s the Amazon description of the non-fiction book by Michael Punke:

    “A startling novel, all the more compelling because its tale of unimaginable human endurance is true, The Revenant unfolds the toll of envy and betrayal as well as the powers of obsession and vengeance in the battle of fur trapper Hugh Glass, first for his life and then for justice. It is 1823, two decades after the famous expedition of Lewis and Clark into the American wilderness, when thirty-six-year-old Hugh Glass joins the Rocky Mountain Fur Company in a speculative venture that takes him and ten other men up the Missouri River into perilous, unexplored territory. Not least among the dangers that await the trapping party is a natural killer, the grizzly bear, as Glass disastrously discovers. Attacked and savagely mauled—his scalp nearly torn off, his back deeply lacerated, his throat clawed open—Glass is lying unconscious when his fellow trappers find him. Against all odds, he is still drawing breath three days later. Anxious to proceed unencumbered by the portage of Glass’s mortally wounded body, the captain of the expedition pays two volunteers—John Fitzgerald, a mercenary, and young Jim Bridger (the future legendary mountain man)—to stay behind and bury Glass when his time comes. Fitzgerald soon loses patience and leaves, taking Glass’s rifle. Horrified by Fitzgerald’s thievery but more terrified of being left behind with a dying man, Bridger also leaves, with Glass’s knife. Deserted and defenseless, the profoundly angry Glass vows his own survival. Miraculously trekking his way through two thousand miles of uncharted wilderness, Glass indeed becomes a revenant—a man who has returned vengefully from death to balance the scales of justice. His quest will leave readers breathless. This amazing true story of frontiersman Hugh Glass is a powerful debut novel — and soon-to-be Warner Bros. film — of survival and vengeance in America’s West.

    That last part about Warner Bros. is not true anymore (New Recency will now produce with Fox distributing), but the rest is and you can obviously imagine the incredible cinematic possibilities in this story.

    #37656
    wv
    Participant

    Just a couple of non-spoiler facts about Hugh Glass (DiCaprio)

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    http://www.amazon.com/Revenant-Novel-Revenge-Michael-Punke/dp/1250072689/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1453220544&sr=1-1&keywords=Revenant
    Editorial Reviews
    From Publishers Weekly
    Based on a true incident of heroism in the history of the American West, this debut by a Washington, D.C., international trade attorney and former bureaucrat in the Clinton administration is an almost painfully gripping drama. A Philadelphia-born adventurer, frontiersman Hugh Glass goes to sea at age 16 and enjoys a charmed life, including several years under the flag of the pirate Jean Lafitte and almost a year as a prisoner of the Loup Pawnee Indians on the plains between the Platte and the Arkansas rivers. In 1822, at age 36, Glass escapes, finds his way to St. Louis and enters the employ of Capt. Andrew Henry, trapping along tributaries of the Missouri River…

    #37657
    wv
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    audio book excerpt

    #37677
    zn
    Moderator

    Btw i did not know who the “Ree” were exactly. I guess they were the “Arikara” tribe. Not that I’ve ever heard of them.

    Yes, the trappers call the Arikara “the ree” cause somtimes the Arikara were called the Arikaree.

    #37679
    zn
    Moderator

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Glass

    In 1822, Glass responded to an advertisement in the Missouri Gazette and Public Advertiser placed by General William Henry Ashley, which called for a corps of 100 men to “ascend the river Missouri” as part of a fur-trading venture. Many others who later earned reputations as famous mountain men also joined the enterprise, including James Beckwourth, Thomas Fitzpatrick, David Jackson, William Sublette, Jim Bridger, and Jedediah Smith. These men would later be known as “Ashley’s Hundred”.

    The expedition was attacked in May 1823 by Arikara warriors, and Glass was apparently shot in the leg. Fearing that continuing up the Missouri would make them vulnerable to further attack, at least some of the party, including Glass, chose to travel overland towards the Yellowstone River.

    Near the forks of the Grand River, in present-day Perkins County, South Dakota, while scouting for game for the expedition larder, Glass surprised and disturbed a grizzly bear with two cubs. The bear charged, picked him up, bit and lacerated his flesh, severely wounding him, and body slammed him to the ground. Glass managed to kill the bear with help from his trapping partners, Thomas Fitzpatrick and Jim Bridger, but was left badly mauled and unconscious. General Ashley, who was also with them, became convinced he would not survive his injuries.

    Ashley asked for two volunteers to stay with Glass until he died, and then bury him. Young Jim Bridger, then 19 years old, and John S. Fitzgerald, then 23 years old, stepped forward, and as the rest of the party moved on, began digging his grave.[5][6] Later, claiming that they were interrupted by attacking Arikara Native Americans, the pair grabbed the rifle, knife, and other equipment belonging to Glass, and took flight. Bridger and Fitzgerald later caught up with the party and incorrectly reported to Ashley that Glass had died. There is a debate whether Bridger was one of the men who abandoned Glass.[7]

    The 200 mile route of the 1823 odyssey by Glass
    Despite his injuries, Glass regained consciousness, but found himself abandoned, without weapons or equipment. He had festering wounds, a broken leg, and deep cuts on his back that exposed his bare ribs. Glass lay mutilated and alone, more than 200 miles (320 km) from the nearest American settlement, at Fort Kiowa, on the Missouri River. Glass set the bone of his own leg, wrapped himself in the bear hide his companions had placed over him as a shroud, and began crawling back to Fort Kiowa. To prevent gangrene, Glass laid his wounded back on a rotting log filled with maggots and let the maggots eat the dead, infected flesh, from the rest of his healthy body.

    Glass crawled overland south toward the Cheyenne River, using Thunder Butte as a navigational tool, where he fashioned a crude raft and floated downstream to Fort Kiowa. The journey took him six weeks. He survived mostly on wild berries and roots; on one occasion he was able to drive two wolves from a downed bison calf, and feast on the raw meat. Glass was aided by friendly Native Americans who sewed a bear hide to his back to cover the exposed wounds and provided him with food and weapons.

    After recovering from his wounds, Glass set out again to find Fitzgerald and Bridger. He eventually traveled to Fort Henry, on the Yellowstone River, but found it deserted; a note indicated that Andrew Henry and company had relocated to a new camp at the mouth of the Bighorn River. Arriving there, Glass found Bridger, but apparently forgave him because of his youth, and then re-enlisted with Ashley’s company.[4]

    Glass later learned that Fitzgerald had joined the army and was stationed at Fort Atkinson, in present-day Nebraska. He traveled there as well, where Fitzgerald returned his stolen rifle. Glass reportedly spared Fitzgerald’s life because of the heavy penalty for killing a soldier of the United States Army.

    In the period intervening, between finding Bridger and Fitzgerald, Glass and four others were dispatched by Ashley in 1824 to find a new trapping route: up the Powder River, then across and down the Platte River to the bluffs. The party set off in a bull boat, and near the junction of the Laramie River. They discovered a settlement of some 38 lodges, with several Native Americans on the shore. The Natives appeared to be friendly, and the trappers initially believed them to be Pawnees. After going ashore and dining with the residents, they realized the population to be Arikara. The men quickly got in the bull boat and paddled for the far shore, the ensuing chase ending with both parties landing simultaneously. Two of the men, Marsh and Dutton, escaped and reunited later with the trapping party, but two other men, More and Chapman, were quickly overtaken and killed by the pursuing war party. Glass managed to hide behind the river rocks. Glass also found his knife and flint in his shot pouch after the ordeal. He fell in with a party of Sioux and traveled with them back to Fort Kiowa.

    Glass returned to the frontier as a trapper and fur trader. He was later employed as a hunter for the U.S. Army garrison at Fort Union, now Williston, North Dakota.

    Glass was killed, along with two of his fellow trappers, in an attack by the Arikara on the Yellowstone River in the winter of 1833. Like many of his fellow mountainmen, including Jedediah Smith, his life ended violently.

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    http://www.legendsofamerica.com/na-arikara.html

    In 1804, when Lewis and Clark visited the Arikara, they were disposed to be friendly to the United States, but, owing to intrigues incident to the rivalry between trading companies, which brought suffering to the Indians, they became hostile.

    In 1823 the Arikara attacked an American trader’s boats, killing 13 men and wounding others. This led to a conflict with the United States, referred to as the Arikara War, but peace was finally concluded. In consequence of these troubles and the failure of crops for two successive years the tribe abandoned their villages on the Missouri River and joined the Skidi on the Loup River in Nebraska, where they remained two years.

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