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See, I can see why people voted for Trump. He was the ONLY remaining candidate who actually spoke the words that the economy was rigged and politicians were liars.
M’okay. Problem is that nothing he said about actual governance has any chance of actually happening. As in…NO CHANCE. I don’t have to “give him a chance” because I’m not in Congress. However, if I listen to Ryan and McConnell and look at who it looks like Trump will appoint to key positions… HOLY SHIT. He didn’t drain the swamp…he flooded it.
I was asked if I tried to understand Trump’s positions, and if I actually knew what they were. That was condescending enough, but I let it slide. I was also told that none of his policies will work at the same time I was asked to verify that I knew what his policies even were. You just used a shit-ton more words to tell me the same thing, and then “M’okay’d” me dismissively because, and I quote, “I can see why people voted for Trump. He was the ONLY remaining candidate who actually spoke the words that the economy was rigged and politicians were liars.”
That’s not why I voted for him. I don’t vote for sound-bytes. But thanks for thinking me that shallow. If he doesn’t get all of those things done, then I will have learned my lesson. But at least I will have given it a shot. In the process, I don’t need to be slapped on the hands with a ruler before he even takes office by people who can read tea leaves, though. I can tell you that much.
So with that, I think I’m done talking politics. There’s no balance of intellect or morality here. There’s everyone, and then the few who aren’t everyone. You guys win. Scales are tipped in favor of your superiority. And I don’t deserve to be hopeful about the future, because that’s just delusional apparently. Also, there’s no point in debating against opinions based on speculation. How do you even have those conversations? “Nobody’s done anything before, so nobody will do anything in the future.” Oh. Okay. Got it. Case closed.
I’m just gonna genuflect real quick and then find my way out. Because at this point, I can honestly see the benefit of surrounding yourself with like-minded people. It’s also nice to have hope and people like to think that they’re making good choices or that their opinions matter. This is just a constant reminder that I’m apparently a moron (and any number of “ists”). So, yeah. No thanks. And you know what the worst part is? Any of you could have seized the opportunity to teach me about your ideologies and use persuasion and tact to make me, at minimum, a sympathizer. Instead, laughs and condescension because … my opinions.
“Okay, I laughed at this”
“That’s a nonsensical statement.”Awesomesauce.
I think you misunderstand me.
I probably had harsher critiques for Hillary.
And I get super frustrated to the point of getting angry that it’s impossible to make a point without having to equivocate. It shouldn’t be necessary.
I wasn’t condescending to you. I was challenging you on your points. I thought those were fair game.
Also, text is a tricky thing. I dunno if it was in the phrasing or how you chose to read what I wrote or what, but I can tell you that my tone wasn’t intended to be in the manner in which you received it.
Maybe that preamble was needed after all. As I said before, don’t confuse my stridency for authority.
I can break it down in a few sentences.
Trump promised stuff. It’s not a matter of “hoping” he fulfills his campaign promises. There are real structural and political impediments that make doing so either virtually or actually impossible. These are the “known knowns” as Rumsfeld would say. Part of the critique of Bernie’s programs for example, was logistically how he would implement them.
Well? It’s no different for any candidate who once they’ve won the office has to transition to governance. Governance is a real thing, there are limits based on the Constitution. There are political considerations from both parties. There are processes which must be navigated.
The LAST thing I want to do is drive someone away from the conversation. So if my stridency did that, I apologize. I can work on that. Maybe…hopefully….sometimes.
Edit: as for “Okay, I laughed at this”….I did. The idea that either party would do fuck all with ethics reform…is laughable. I’m not laughing at you. I’m laughing at the idea that ANY major party would do anything about ethics reform. I, personally, would love ethics reform. Real and true reform. As for “That’s a nonsensical statement”, I could have phrased that better. I didn’t mean for it to be dismissive (if you’d heard me say it, it wouldn’t have sounded dismissive, but text doesn’t allow for much context), but more definitional. Your statement about defeating Islamic fundamentalism once and for all is sentimental, but isn’t something that can have a foundation in policy or be logistically implemented in any real way. Not unless we as a country take responsibility for our role in world events and the US refuses to do that. Like I said, we kill 85 totally innocent people with a drone and the government literally says…nothing. But in the absence of being able to talk in person, as I said, I can do better about communicating not just the message I want to convey and the facts I want to convey, but also the tone.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
Civilized? Really? Vandalism and assaults are civilized? Now a Cry In is civilized. It’s also pathetic.
You haven’t complained about police assaults on unarmed black people.
You haven’t complained about Trump supporters assaulting protesters.
You haven’t complained about racist graffiti (vandalism) that has emerged all over this country. You minimize it. You point the finger somewhere else.
Then you complain about the anti-Trump side protesting.
This is why your credibility is low. You are not, in principle, against assault. If your side does it, it simply isn’t assault. Or it’s the fault of the victim. Or whatever.
Killory’s people were coordinating fomenting violence at Trump rallies. As for credibility it is yours that is low. A grown man claiming Trump will be the end to the biosphere! Get a grip on reality.
Yeah. Well. I will just stick with the children at NASA http://climate.nasa.gov/ over your adult perspective. Thanks, though.
Civilized? Really? Vandalism and assaults are civilized? Now a Cry In is civilized. It’s also pathetic.
You haven’t complained about police assaults on unarmed black people.
You haven’t complained about Trump supporters assaulting protesters.
You haven’t complained about racist graffiti (vandalism) that has emerged all over this country. You minimize it. You point the finger somewhere else.
Then you complain about the anti-Trump side protesting.
This is why your credibility is low. You are not, in principle, against assault. If your side does it, it simply isn’t assault. Or it’s the fault of the victim. Or whatever.
Killory’s people were coordinating fomenting violence at Trump rallies. As for credibility it is yours that is low. A grown man claiming Trump will be the end to the biosphere! Get a grip on reality.
Yeah. Well. I will just stick with the children at NASA http://climate.nasa.gov/ over your adult perspective. Thanks, though.
And if you transpose the periods of global warming on that chart you will see that there is no correlation with the peaks in CO2.
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Fair enough. And maybe I was being over-sensitive, because I’ve been defending my choices and my POV for a few days, across multiple platforms, and to all kinds of people (in person). I have a lot of respect for you, Mackey Mack, and for everyone on this board, quite honestly. You’re all very smart and scholarly. Like wv said, it’s difficult to keep our animosities in check when discussing politics, but I had/have high hopes for this board in particular to do just that. So, going forward, I’ll try not to read ‘tone’ into the discussion, and I’ll do my best to elucidate in the same manner.Re: Destroying Islamic terrorists once and for all:
That’s a nonsensical statement. That’s like saying you’d like to destroy racism once and for all.It’s not nonsensical, and that’s a poor comparison. While racism and islamic fundamentalism are both ideologies, one of them (terrorism) is a movement that can be squashed by taking it apart from the top down. Not unlike Naziism. Instead of allowing them to grow and flourish, I’d like to see our tremendous military might, led by brilliant military strategists and Generals, and along with a coalition of States, systematically destroy their leadership and quickly put splinter cells into graves. I have a unique perspective on this, because I’ve seen hundreds of murders on LiveLeak, and I read about the atrocities they commit all the time. I seek it out. It’s on the same level as gassing the Jews, but with less mercy. They murder gays, they murder jews, they murder Christians, they stone women to death, they use children as human grenades, and they use human beings as shields. If you don’t think we have the power to assert our will against them, then okay. But doing nothing – or not enough – is akin to sponsoring their actions. Again, just like the Nazi’s, we need to destroy this movement before it grows. And we need to keep putting that flame out every single time it tries to reignite.
We all step on each others toes once in a while. It’s what happens when people have opinions, and in the case of politics, the only people interested in them are people who have them bound up strongly in their identity, their sense of values and morality. So. I personally wish the edit feature was available longer, and that we had a delete option. One of the boards we had once-upon-a-time allowed deletions. But here, once you said it, you have to live with the consequences. So sometimes we get pissy with each other.
On terrorism, this is from the Global Terrorism Index of 2014
This chart shows how 268 terrorist groups ended from 1968 – 2006.
Politicisation means that the terrorist group was somehow brought into the political system, its leaders getting seats in government etc.
Policing is the targeting (arresting or killing) of key leaders in the group.
In 10% of cases, the terrorists achieved their goals.
In 7% of cases, military action finished them off.
And I will just throw in…another way to fend them off is to stop abusing them with our foreign policies. Ya know. Invading Iraq was not really necessary.
WOW! A whole 120 year timeframe of reference! Such impeccable science. Not. If you had read the article you would know it was addressed.
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