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July 23, 2015 at 2:54 pm #27477znModerator
Coach on Robert Griffin III: ‘There’s no coming back. He is done’
In 2012, the Redskins captured the NFC East crown and Robert Griffin III took the NFL by storm.
A nasty ACL tear ended his 2012 season, and RG3 hasn’t been the same player since.
ESPN Insider NFL columnist Mike Sando released the newest edition of his “Quarterback Tier” project in which 35 league insiders rate all 32 starting quarterbacks from 1-5 according to their “tier.”
Griffin, coming off a season where he went 2-5 in seven starts, was given a 3.91 rating. He finished 28th in the overall ratings, and one offensive coach relegated him to the fifth and lowest tier, which per the story was “reserved for the very worst.”
“Five, and there’s no coming back. He is done,” the offensive coach said. “The reason is, the injury slowed his legs, and his ego will not allow him to hit rock bottom and actually grind his way back up the right way.”
Another league source supported the notion.
“To get better in this league, you have to have a degree of humility,” a personnel director said. “Griffin sees himself like Peyton [Manning], in that light. When he looks in the mirror, he is seeing things that everybody else is not seeing. That is why I was surprised when they gave him the fifth-year [option] and said it was an easy decision.”
On the other hand, one general manager disagreed, pointing out that Griffin is still only 25 and has time to assimilate to a new head coach and system.
“He showed his rookie year that he could be a 1,” the GM said. “He is a young guy. I’m going to give him the benefit because of that.”
The insiders were a little kinder to Eagles quarterback Sam Bradford and to their former quarterback Nick Foles. Both were ranked in the third tier: Foles ranked 22nd; Bradford tied for 23rd with Vikings second-year quarterback Teddy Bridgewater.
The reports were familiar.
For Bradford it’s all about the injuries. Bradford has played in only seven games the last two seasons, tearing his ACL twice. Still, there are those who see promise in the former No. 1 overall pick, especially in Chip Kelly’s quarterback-friendly offense where his accuracy could be a huge asset, according to one defensive coordinator. That defensive coordinator also added that he thought Bradford would be an upgrade over Foles and Mark Sanchez.
“There is no quarterback I loved more than him coming out,” a head coach said. “I am pulling for him. If he can stay healthy, he can be so accurate. Keep him as a three but only because of the injury factor.”
Foles put up video game numbers in 2014, throwing 27 touchdowns and only two interceptions. His passer rating of 119.2 was the highest in the NFL and the third highest in league history. After a shaky 2014 season, the question is whether his 2013 season was a glimpse at his ability or a product of Kelly’s offense.
“I think in that Chip Kelly system, once he figured it out, he operated it and did a great job early on,” a personnel director said. “But I do not think he is talented [enough] where he will be that way year in and year out, or week in and week out. He is a little stiff in the pocket. I don’t think he has great arm strength. He has pretty good accuracy. I don’t know that he sees everything.”
One personnel director said Foles is “a ‘solid three’ who should upgrade the situation in St. Louis.” The same St. Louis team that spent the first overall pick on Bradford to be their franchise quarterback back in 2010.
July 23, 2015 at 2:55 pm #27478znModeratorInside Slant: RG III deserves a shot outside D.C.
Kevin Seifert, NFL Nation
The votes are in. The results are indisputable. NFL decision-makers consider Robert Griffin III one of the least promising quarterbacks in football, partly because of his performance but mostly because they just don’t like him and believe only a miracle turnaround can save his tenure with the Washington Redskins.
I’m just the messenger. ESPN’s Quarterback Tiers project — compiled this year with contributions from 35 general managers, head coaches, assistants and personnel people — placed Griffin in its lowest category and ranked him No. 28 of 32 overall. Griffin absorbed a gentler rebuke in last year’s rankings, one I fought on the grounds of his unique circumstances. But the argument seems pointless now when the composite football man regards him as inferior to every NFL starter but Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Matt Cassel and Geno Smith.
It’s almost unfair to write off a player’s career on the eve of a training camp where he ostensibly could revive it. This season has been described widely as Griffin’s make-or-break year, given the decision pending on a $16.155 million contract option for 2016, but the projections of nearly three dozen league insiders put us ahead of the curve. So let’s agree on this: If Griffin is going to rebound, it more likely will come with another team and not until next year.
By now you might be envisioning the player, coach, team and franchise collectively gathering to overcome the outside “noise” and prove the critics wrong. Use whatever cliché you want. But the reality is that a portion of the insiders’ impression is informed by what they see and hear from the Redskins themselves. It has been obvious for some time that Griffin’s internal support is limited.
Most importantly, coach Jay Gruden never embraced Griffin as his franchise quarterback. Three months after he was hired, and before he had coached his first real practice, Gruden hoisted the red flag. After describing his offensive philosophy to reporters, he added: “But that all depends on what Robert can handle. If he can’t handle the terminology, or if he can’t handle a lot of the things, we might have to taper it back or cater to what he likes.”
That’s not the kind of comment you hear from a coach committed to maximizing a talented if flawed player. Instead, it created the early impression that Gruden didn’t consider Griffin a good fit for the offense he wanted to run, a notion cemented when Griffin was benched in Week 13.
Gruden’s ideal quarterback makes early decisions and, crucially, releases the ball quickly. The quarterback he groomed with the Cincinnati Bengals, Andy Dalton, has led the NFL with an average release time of 2.30 seconds during the past three seasons, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Over the same period, Griffin had the ninth-slowest time at 2.67 seconds. So despite his still-nimble feet, Griffin has suffered the second-highest ratio of sacks to dropbacks in the NFL (8.0).
ESPN’s Ron Jaworski recently illustrated an obvious example of this deficiency, a play during the Redskins’ Week 9 loss to the Minnesota Vikings. At the snap, according to Jaworski, the Vikings’ high-low defensive alignment indicated clearly that an intermediate route would be open. It was, but Griffin didn’t recognize it and instead looked to the other side of the field. Drifting out of the pocket, waiting for another route to open against all logic, he was sacked.
“He lacks a natural sense of timing and anticipation,” Jaworski said. “Can he get there? I just don’t know.”
Indeed, this is not the kind of shortcoming that can be reversed by extra offseason film study. And if our 35 insiders are to be believed, Griffin’s superstar ego will leave him unable to accept the fundamental improvements he needs. “To get better in this league,” a personnel director said, “you have to have a degree of humility.”
So let’s look at it from another perspective.
We’ve already seen how Griffin can contribute to a winning team. As the NFL’s Rookie of the Year in 2012, he rushed for 815 yards as part of a read-option offense retrofitted for his strengths. Griffin’s postseason right-knee injury (torn ACL, LCL) — on the heels of a late-season sprained LCL in the same knee — presumably limited his effectiveness in such a scheme. But there is something to be said for putting players in positions where they are comfortable and utilizing the instincts they have.
What if Griffin played, say, for the Buffalo Bills, coached by ultrasupportive head coach Rex Ryan and offensive coordinator Greg Roman, who helped design the San Francisco 49ers’ offense that facilitated Colin Kaepernick’s transition into a successful starter? Griffin wouldn’t have to run for 800 yards, but a scheme that gets him out of the pocket and allows him to improvise seems more advisable for short-term success, even if it’s not an avenue to a 15-year career.
Sadly, that path seems blocked in Washington. You can’t rule out the possibility that this dysfunctional franchise might fire Gruden and hire another coach to save Griffin, but the damage otherwise seems complete. Griffin would surprise the football world if he remains the Redskins’ starter into 2016, at least based on merit. Consider this season an epilogue to a dysfunctional period, one that leads to a sequel that carries at least a bit more promise.
August 27, 2015 at 5:55 pm #29391znModeratorSeveral Washington offensive linemen dislike RG3
Michael David Smith
As Robert Griffin III morphed from the rookie of the year in 2012 to a huge disappointment in 2013, questions started to be raised about whether his offensive line disliked him. At one point late in the 2013 season, it was observed that Washington’s offensive linemenhardly ever helped Griffin up after sacks, and reports out of the team’s locker room began to indicate that players were tired of Griffin’s refusal to take the blame when things went wrong.
Two years later, Griffin still doesn’t seem to be winning any friends in the locker room.
At today’s press conference, Griffin was asked about problems with the team’s pass protection. Although Griffin said he wouldn’t point fingers at his offensive linemen, he also didn’t put the blame on himself, even though many observers have pointed to Griffin’s lack of pocket awareness as a bigger problem than Washington’s offensive line.
According to Jason Reid of ESPN, Griffin sidestepping his own responsibility for making the line look worse than it played is exactly the kind of thing that causes him problems in the locker room. Reid wrote on Twitter after Griffin’s press conference that coaches say “several” offensive linemen dislike Griffin.
There seem to be two problems facing Griffin. The more important one is that he simply hasn’t played very well since suffering a severe knee injury at the end of his rookie season. But another problem is that he hasn’t shown that he has the leadership qualities that a quarterback needs. And until he starts playing better, it’s hard to see how he’ll be able to rally his teammates around him.
August 27, 2015 at 6:16 pm #29393InvaderRamModeratori would take rgiii over mannion. i don’t know about foles. they’re both young. although rgiii clearly has more potential.
or not. i don’t know. that’d be tempting. i’m anxious about foles. i really hope the offense can show something against indy.
August 27, 2015 at 7:36 pm #29395wvParticipanti would take rgiii over mannion. i don’t know about foles. they’re both young. although rgiii clearly has more potential.
or not. i don’t know. that’d be tempting. i’m anxious about foles. i really hope the offense can show something against indy.I haven’t seen enough of Foles to say much, but I’ll say this:
the guy sure don’t look graceful back there in the pocket.Foles has more leadership skills in his little finger
than RG3 has in his whole body, though. Fwiw.w
vAugust 28, 2015 at 1:55 am #29411InvaderRamModeratorrgiii is very immature right now. i don’t know that he can’t develop into a leader though.
my main concern with him is actually health. and then after that, is his leadership ability.
August 28, 2015 at 2:13 am #29418znModeratorrgiii is very immature right now.
Looks to me like that’s very deeply rooted, though. You can tell about kids like that by the time they’re in college. IMO it usually doesn’t get much better.
August 30, 2015 at 11:50 pm #29599znModeratorFootball people want RG3 out of Washington, Snyder says no
Michael David Smith
Robert Griffin III is reportedly remaining in Washington only because owner Dan Snyder is overruling the football people who want to get rid of the quarterback.
Front office officials and coaches want to move on from Griffin but are meeting resistance from ownership, according to ESPN.
The report says the team has talked about trading Griffin, but there’s been no interest. That’s no surprise: Griffin has a guaranteed salary of $3.3 million this year and would be owed a whopping $16.2 million next year if he suffered a severe injury. There’s no way for any team to justify committing that kind of money to a player who has played as poorly as Griffin over the last two years.
From all indications, coach Jay Gruden — who spent most of the offseason insisting that Griffin would be the starter — has lost any confidence he ever had in Griffin as a quarterback. Both Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy have far outplayed Griffin this preseason. General Manager Scot McCloughan, who was hired this year, has no particular loyalty to Griffin either.
But Snyder has loved Griffin since the team traded up in the 2012 draft to get him, and Snyder apparently isn’t willing to let go. And that’s the only thing keeping Griffin in Washington.
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